Shepard Quest Mk V, Base of Operations (ME/MCU)
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Van Ropen
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The Mk. II can definitely be sold for more than $625k. From the original thread:
The Mk. 1.5 was meant to compete with high-end hardsuits. The Mk. II is a step above that - $1 million apiece should be fine given the targeted consumers.
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So Only members of the N ranks, and whatever spectre commissions one from us are likely to get it, and perhaps some other units.
And Every single security guard we hire, of course. ^.^
Edit: @ Esbilon: How much would it cost us to hire a reputable PMC to provide a few ships to watch our Shipyards until our first frigates come out (In 6 or so quarters)?
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Dunno if we should sell the Mk. II, at least until we've got a Mk. III. We want Revy to have a large step up from possible opponents.
You know, I wonder how the Alliance will react if Paragon Industries builds a cruiser that can trounce a dreadnought via having fuck off energy weapons and super strong shields.
You know, I wonder how the Alliance will react if Paragon Industries builds a cruiser that can trounce a dreadnought via having fuck off energy weapons and super strong shields.
Van Ropen
Angry, angry about elves.
Pretty much, yeah -- N's, maybe some outfits of high A's, some members of the intelligence community...whatever.
It also includes the Paragon Industries Frigate which completely revolutionized warfare - that includes against dreadnoughts. Variable wavelength, gigawatt laser weapons, perfect stealth, Mk. II Reactor powered shields, multi-core eezo drives...the thing might actually survive/win an engagement with a dreadnought if it abuses stealth.
Yup, that was what was proposed. The 6-Quarter timeline puts us ready to research the Mk. III, so we can do that and release the Mk. II.Dunno if we should sell the Mk. II, at least until we've got a Mk. III. We want Revy to have a large step up from possible opponents.
You know, I wonder how the Alliance will react if Paragon Industries builds a cruiser that can trounce a dreadnought via having fuck off energy weapons and super strong shields.
It also includes the Paragon Industries Frigate which completely revolutionized warfare - that includes against dreadnoughts. Variable wavelength, gigawatt laser weapons, perfect stealth, Mk. II Reactor powered shields, multi-core eezo drives...the thing might actually survive/win an engagement with a dreadnought if it abuses stealth.
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Van Ropen
Angry, angry about elves.
Which is why it wouldn't be a competing product.
I fully expect Mk. 1.5s to be sold right up until the Reaper War, and have problem with HK making every last one.
We probably aren't going to disrupt their sales too much, since the Mk II will cost almost twice as much.
Ah, apologies. I thought you were saying we should be selling them before the contract ended. No, you're right. the second that the contract runs out we should be cranking out as many as we can and they can go get fucked for all I care.
Van Ropen
Angry, angry about elves.
Well, the contract was exclusive rights to the Mk. 1.5 for five years - and we have production orders for them for more than that. I figured we could release the Mk. II at a different price point (so not as a competitor) three years into the contract without any harsh feelings given how much they have made at that point (over $60 billion), especially if we throw some more stuff their way, like the Transforming Guns...but I'm not opposed to waiting either if Esbilon implies they will be really pissed.
The way I see it, we want to phase out pre-PI hardsuits. We need a cheap suit for the masses - the Mk. 1.5 is it. They should be making those for the next decade, because the bottom line is that not everyone can afford to buy the Mk. 2 and above.
HK can be the Elkoss Combine to our Armax Arsenal.
Even at a different price point they'd be going from the absolute best armor in the galaxy to distant runner up. We'd still be undercutting their business. I agree that extending their license after five years for the 1.5 is a good idea, but not to cutting into their market them while it's still active.
However: We may be able to buy out the contract so we could sell the 2.0 without screwing them. By then we'll have how many factory 3's online? We could probably afford it.
Van Ropen
Angry, angry about elves.
I don't think it works like that...and we didn't sign a non-competition clause with them the way we did with Cord-Hislop, so I really don't think this is going to be a big deal. We gave the exclusive rights, and they retain those.
Still, we'll see. Like I said, there is no rush - we will be plenty busy selling Tigers, probably some Gladius' too. Our shipyard is going to be finished before all the goodies for the frigate, so unless we churn out a bunch of basic frigates we could probably set a deal with CH to make use of our shipyards for a small fee, increasing the number of fighters sold and making more from all the commission.
Still, we'll see. Like I said, there is no rush - we will be plenty busy selling Tigers, probably some Gladius' too. Our shipyard is going to be finished before all the goodies for the frigate, so unless we churn out a bunch of basic frigates we could probably set a deal with CH to make use of our shipyards for a small fee, increasing the number of fighters sold and making more from all the commission.
Yes, as I said we could probably get away with it legally. It would just cost us a lot of reputation with HK, and with most of the other weapon/armor manufacturers to a lesser degree. Trust is damn valuable in the business world, I'd rather not burn our stock of it unless we have to.
The part where we're undercutting them by bumping them from best stuff on the market to distant second place. Even selling at a higher price it's still going to seriously impact their sales.
Van Ropen
Angry, angry about elves.
...yeah, still not seeing it. Their sales aren't demand limited, it has always been about production...they are about to bump up to 25k units a quarter. The release of the Mk. II shouldn't change that.
It wouldn't be a violation of trust anyways, it would be business that any other company would engage in. Not something that poisons future deals the way violating agreement would.
It wouldn't be a violation of trust anyways, it would be business that any other company would engage in. Not something that poisons future deals the way violating agreement would.
Nah, lets charge 1.5 - 2 million per MK.II Suits
Ludicrously expensive? Yeah, the point is to make it available while at the same time basically keeping the best stuff in house. The Mark 1.5 is already so much better then everything else at this point. Hell lets try and drop the price down to 500K for the 1.5 if you feel you need to make the suit more available.
Ludicrously expensive? Yeah, the point is to make it available while at the same time basically keeping the best stuff in house. The Mark 1.5 is already so much better then everything else at this point. Hell lets try and drop the price down to 500K for the 1.5 if you feel you need to make the suit more available.
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Van Ropen
Angry, angry about elves.
Meh, we will have the Mk. III for personal use, and maybe those guards we really trust. Guards outfitted with the Mk. II with all the bells and whistles is fine.
1 million is fine, we do want them to get out after all, and the Alliance only has a budget so large.
I would be fine with a price drop, but it isn't necessary - demand at this point is still effectively infinite. Maybe after the five years are up if HK thinks it will be necessary.
1 million is fine, we do want them to get out after all, and the Alliance only has a budget so large.
I would be fine with a price drop, but it isn't necessary - demand at this point is still effectively infinite. Maybe after the five years are up if HK thinks it will be necessary.
I'm sorry if this has already been addressed, but did anyone bring up the idea of mounting the laser-proof barriers on fighters? If the biggest weakness before was a vulnerability to point defense lasers then..... Will that be a problem any more?
Exactlywhich PMC do you find reputable?
regarding the next update, it will come when it is ready. I'll prioritize taking some time during the week, but sadly I generally dont feel up for it after work, which puts a limiter on my ability to do so.
We should just make our own pmc.
Van Ropen
Angry, angry about elves.
We voted to prepare the groundwork for establishing our own this last turn.
@Esbilon...is there anything stopping us from buying a few Gladius fighters from CH if people are that worried about an attack in the interim? If so, could we use our own facilities to upgrade them from the "A" design to the "B" one that used repulsors as long as we didn't sell them? Or would that be too massive a refit to make?
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Buy them, sure.
retrofitting is possible, but expensive since youd have to do it in a factory rather than a shipyard.
@Esbilon about tech-tree:
1) Maybe split the laser shielding? The basic shield is just an FTL field, it should be relatively easy to develop one that can be used in combat without making the ship super-vulnerable to kinetic impacts or f*cking over all their sensors completely (which is where some problems are, at least, in he field scattering the incoming lightwaves, creating the need for a deconvolution systems making it useable); the stealth one is where the real trouble is at, I think. I might be wrong, of course.
2) Multi-core eezo drive design should, logically, link or synergize with biotic suit, I think; biotics are based on multi-core (eezo nodules) systems, after all.
Speaking of Mk2 sales: I would say on the limited basis, i.e. where each suit is unique and they aren't sold by hundreds, that should be absolutely ok.
1) Maybe split the laser shielding? The basic shield is just an FTL field, it should be relatively easy to develop one that can be used in combat without making the ship super-vulnerable to kinetic impacts or f*cking over all their sensors completely (which is where some problems are, at least, in he field scattering the incoming lightwaves, creating the need for a deconvolution systems making it useable); the stealth one is where the real trouble is at, I think. I might be wrong, of course.
2) Multi-core eezo drive design should, logically, link or synergize with biotic suit, I think; biotics are based on multi-core (eezo nodules) systems, after all.
Speaking of Mk2 sales: I would say on the limited basis, i.e. where each suit is unique and they aren't sold by hundreds, that should be absolutely ok.