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Yeah, I was being conservative given the time difference between now and the game, but I'd forgotten about the Batarians.
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Yeah, I was being conservative given the time difference between now and the game, but I'd forgotten about the Batarians.
Most of their recruits though probably aren't being fired at by a state of the art autocannon without any formal training in an N5's Version of Basic
Leingod
Immaculate Blooming Lotus
Not like they need much excuse to want to kick the batarians out, but the batarians were actually the ones who decided to cut ties in a rage after the Council ruled in the Alliance's favor in regards to colonizing the Attican Traverse. And there was much rejoicing.
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To the patent debate, lets look at it straight and simple: someone will eventually reverse engineer the arc reactor. It might take a year, it might be next turn, we don't know.
If we file, citadel races will get earlier access to the reactor, but it well stay under our control and ran us money. If we don't file, they'll have completely unrestricted access, but not for a few turns. We might also get sued if someone else patents it first.
The ultimate enemy is the reapers, and having the entire galaxy at a higher tech level well be good when they come.
We should also patent the rest of our tech, tho since it isn't vital infrastructure we shouldn't be forced to sell it.
Business
[X] Building Better Babies. Distribute your new procedures as widely as you can, making Humanity stronger, faster, smarter and prettier. Also pissing off the companies that are making a killing doing this for the rich and powerful.
-[X] Provide free treatment to cure genetic disease in children.
--[X] Work with those of alliance governments who have free medical care and mandatory inoculations to spread your advancements as far as possible (and for political capital)
---[X] See if you can involve Sirta Foundation. This sort of thing is their specialty and it would be nice to have a working relationship.
[X] File. Let them see what we can do, and let them then shut up and give us their money.
-[X] But have your people go over any changes in Citadel patent law first. Hire a specialist if needs be.
[X] Hire on five new security teams.
- [X]Prioritize Marines but if we have to take on more LEOs or mercs to have them on time then so be it.
[X] Build Basic Lab II
-[X] Hire Research Teams at our usual salary
Research
[X] Advanced Fire Control VI (0/400)
60d10 + 120 = 98.85% chance of completion
[X] Advanced Black boxing/FRM (439/800)
60d10 + 70 = 96.21 % chance of completion
[X] Peak Human (0/400)
20D10+70+Overflow
Spare time
[X] Have your own advanced implant (Magi) installed.
-[X] Ask if Rahna would be willing to be hired as your tutor for you
[X] Spend time with family and Brian.
-[X] Hellish as it was fighting to beat Mum's challenges with Brian was fun, maybe you can do some more of that
--[X] Bring some of what you've learned to the Security Teams training
If we file, citadel races will get earlier access to the reactor, but it well stay under our control and ran us money. If we don't file, they'll have completely unrestricted access, but not for a few turns. We might also get sued if someone else patents it first.
The ultimate enemy is the reapers, and having the entire galaxy at a higher tech level well be good when they come.
We should also patent the rest of our tech, tho since it isn't vital infrastructure we shouldn't be forced to sell it.
Business
[X] Building Better Babies. Distribute your new procedures as widely as you can, making Humanity stronger, faster, smarter and prettier. Also pissing off the companies that are making a killing doing this for the rich and powerful.
-[X] Provide free treatment to cure genetic disease in children.
--[X] Work with those of alliance governments who have free medical care and mandatory inoculations to spread your advancements as far as possible (and for political capital)
---[X] See if you can involve Sirta Foundation. This sort of thing is their specialty and it would be nice to have a working relationship.
[X] File. Let them see what we can do, and let them then shut up and give us their money.
-[X] But have your people go over any changes in Citadel patent law first. Hire a specialist if needs be.
[X] Hire on five new security teams.
- [X]Prioritize Marines but if we have to take on more LEOs or mercs to have them on time then so be it.
[X] Build Basic Lab II
-[X] Hire Research Teams at our usual salary
Research
[X] Advanced Fire Control VI (0/400)
60d10 + 120 = 98.85% chance of completion
[X] Advanced Black boxing/FRM (439/800)
60d10 + 70 = 96.21 % chance of completion
[X] Peak Human (0/400)
20D10+70+Overflow
Spare time
[X] Have your own advanced implant (Magi) installed.
-[X] Ask if Rahna would be willing to be hired as your tutor for you
[X] Spend time with family and Brian.
-[X] Hellish as it was fighting to beat Mum's challenges with Brian was fun, maybe you can do some more of that
--[X] Bring some of what you've learned to the Security Teams training
IIRC with laboratories the tiers are inclusive, meaning building a Tier 3 lab automatically includes the benefits of Tier 1 and 2 labs as well.
Which reminds me:
Any chance you could include a list of prices for facilities - ie, laboratories, factories, shipyards, etc - somewhere?
Van Ropen
Angry, angry about elves.
Well that is what I mean - the Council blatantly favored humans a bunch of times to get them to fuck off. It was obviously intended given the shit Batarians had been stirring up for so long.
Fucking Batarians.
@Kelenas
This is what we have been given so far. Given the way it is written, each tier adds its benefits to the previous one, it doesn't contain them. We have Lab 1 and 2 right now, for a total of 6 research teams, not 4.
Mochinator
Protect the weak against the evil strong.
Yes, because clearly ties will always remain that good and that it is impossible for the worst case scenario to happen.
Planning for the worse is a better trait then believing that the status quo will be maintained. All the points raised seem to be ignoring the part where humanity is a minor power compared to the 3, that if they give a unreasonable order humanity's ability to refuse it is drastically weak because we have nothing to use to leverage for a advantage.
Believe in the better nature of everyone, because clearly that is how things are done. Backstabbery or contingency plans are not needed because clearly this is a utopia where nothing bad can ever happen.
Clearly, it is impossible for something like a abuse of power to happen, after all are not the councilors the fairest beings that ever grace the galaxy ?
Van Ropen
Angry, angry about elves.
Please, describe this worst case scenario, and propose a plan for dealing with it that doesn't increase the chances of it happening.
You know what is a shitty trait? Doing things to bring about calamity, in the name of preventing calamity.
Let me capitalize this, so you have a better chance of seeing it. I AM NOT BELIEVING IN THE BETTER NATURE OF ANYONE. I AM BELIEVING IN THEIR SELFISHNESS. WAR IS EXPENSIVE AS FUCK.
Nobody wants war, it is a tool. An expensive tool, in many ways. What does the Council gain from playing hardball with Humanity, that it doesn't gain from welcoming them into the fold and cultivating the relationship? Nothing. Why then, from their SELFISH VIEWPOINT, will they want a war, or do anything to keep Humanity down, if it costs them more than they would have gained? WHY WOULD THEY GIVE UNREASONABLE ORDERS, when all that does is damage their own standing?
This isn't naivety, or desire for utopia or whatever such bullshit you claim while bitching about being a hard man making hard decisions. It is good fucking business.
Leingod
Immaculate Blooming Lotus
I'm sorry, but at this point it feels like you're just trying to pick a fight. Yes the Council is made up of ineffectual asshole politicians, yes there is always the possibility of hostilities erupting if something bad happens, and no Mass Effect does not take place in some kind of shining utopia where dirty dealings, backstabbing and cruelty never happens. But none of us ever argued that. Several of us expressed the belief that:
1. The Council stands to gain way more from having the Alliance as a constituent race than they could ever hope to gain from an unprovoked war of aggression against a race powerful and technologically advanced enough to make them bleed for every inch of ground they take.
2. While they are indeed pompous, officious douchebags, the Council (and indeed the governments of the various races that make up the Council) are not a bunch of mustache-twirling cartoon villains who are willing to cut off their noses to spite their faces.
3. War is expensive as hell, costly as hell, and all-out war against the Alliance could not possibly pay off enough for them to even consider it.
We have plenty of completely pragmatic and rational reasons for our point of view, and nowhere did we ever make an argument like "you should give them the patent because they're all good people" or whatever; please do not try to discredit other people's arguments by attempting to write us off as naive idealists who just don't see the cold hard reality in front of them like you can.
Mochinator
Protect the weak against the evil strong.
NO Idiot!
Totally missing the point. You're relying on the fact that every one is going to look at the situation logically and make decisions based on cost and effect, ignoring the fact that emotions and motivations do lead to illogical actions.
By being fucking prepared, for a double-cross. It means that if it does happen Humanity is ready and with a ace up their sleeve compared with being taken by surprise, because they like you don't believe a war would be declared. If no double-cross happens, good! No matter, there is a back up plan in case that exact scenario happens!
You're fucking treating everyone like a sensible being because clearly to you zealots or fanatics are not a thing, that war can be waged because of hatred, despite the presence of people like Balak or Saren being a living example of someone pushing for war despite it not being the sensible thing to do.
Yes, it boils down to your fucking optimism that the council will always look at the situation coldly, that it is impossible for a rogue action to happen.
That there are bad feelings already present and people willing to take advantage of it. That for some people profit isn't that endgoal, that committing genocide is.
Totally ignoring the possibilities of a War To The Knife happening, because business.
Van Ropen
Angry, angry about elves.
Yeah, most of the latest votes include hiring five more teams to double our current number, which is what Ebsilon stated to be necessary.
- Location
- Budapest, Hungary
Business
[X] Building Better Babies. Distribute your new procedures as widely as you can, making Humanity stronger, faster, smarter and prettier. Also pissing off the companies that are making a killing doing this for the rich and powerful.
-[X] Provide free treatment to cure genetic disease in children.
--[X] Work with those of alliance governments who have free medical care and mandatory inoculations to spread your advancements as far as possible (and for political capital)
---[X] See if you can involve Sirta Foundation. This sort of thing is their specialty and it would be nice to have a working relationship.
[X] File. Let them see what we can do, and let them then shut up and give us their money.
-[X] But have your people go over any changes in Citadel patent law first. Hire a specialist if needs be.
[X] Hire on five new security teams.
- [X]Prioritize Marines but if we have to take on more LEOs or mercs to have them on time then so be it.
[X] Build Basic Lab II
-[X] Hire Research Teams at our usual salary
Research
[X] Advanced Fire Control VI (0/400)
60d10 + 120 = 98.85% chance of completion
[X] Advanced Black boxing/FRM (439/800)
60d10 + 70 = 96.21 % chance of completion
[X] Peak Human (0/400)
20D10+70+Overflow
Spare time
[X] Have your own advanced implant (Magi) installed.
-[X] Ask if Rahna would be willing to be hired as your tutor for you
[X] Spend time with family and Brian.
-[X] Hellish as it was fighting to beat Mum's challenges with Brian was fun, maybe you can do some more of that
--[X] Bring some of what you've learned to the Security Teams training
[X] Building Better Babies. Distribute your new procedures as widely as you can, making Humanity stronger, faster, smarter and prettier. Also pissing off the companies that are making a killing doing this for the rich and powerful.
-[X] Provide free treatment to cure genetic disease in children.
--[X] Work with those of alliance governments who have free medical care and mandatory inoculations to spread your advancements as far as possible (and for political capital)
---[X] See if you can involve Sirta Foundation. This sort of thing is their specialty and it would be nice to have a working relationship.
[X] File. Let them see what we can do, and let them then shut up and give us their money.
-[X] But have your people go over any changes in Citadel patent law first. Hire a specialist if needs be.
[X] Hire on five new security teams.
- [X]Prioritize Marines but if we have to take on more LEOs or mercs to have them on time then so be it.
[X] Build Basic Lab II
-[X] Hire Research Teams at our usual salary
Research
[X] Advanced Fire Control VI (0/400)
60d10 + 120 = 98.85% chance of completion
[X] Advanced Black boxing/FRM (439/800)
60d10 + 70 = 96.21 % chance of completion
[X] Peak Human (0/400)
20D10+70+Overflow
Spare time
[X] Have your own advanced implant (Magi) installed.
-[X] Ask if Rahna would be willing to be hired as your tutor for you
[X] Spend time with family and Brian.
-[X] Hellish as it was fighting to beat Mum's challenges with Brian was fun, maybe you can do some more of that
--[X] Bring some of what you've learned to the Security Teams training
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[X] Hire 5 new Security Teams now to protect the building site from unwanted 'additions' as well as getting them trained up in preparation for the sites going online.
--[X] See if we can hire any of the Biotics upgrading from the L2 for our security teams
to [ ] Plan Seeding Greatness
[X] Hire 5 new Security Teams now to protect the building site from unwanted 'additions' as well as getting them trained up in preparation for the sites going online.
--[X] See if we can hire any of the Biotics upgrading from the L2 for our security teams
to [ ] Plan Seeding Greatness
Leingod
Immaculate Blooming Lotus
*sigh* Of course those people exist, but they're not running the goddamn governments! No f*cking sh*t someone can go rogue and decide to take out a personal vendetta on humanity, his name is f*cking Saren Arterius and he was declared an outlaw the moment the Council found out about it. The various governments of the Citadel races are run by politicians who want money, influence, and power (and vanishingly few actually want to help people); they are not genocidal psychopaths who are chomping at the bit to kill all humans. I'm sure there's a General Ripper somewhere in the turian high command that wants another crack at the shaved apes who defied them, but he's not the councilor and he's not the goddamn primarch. The Council isn't going to back up whackjobs like that; there's no benefit for them and none of them has displayed any kind of vicious anti-human sentiment that would make them likely to declare war against the Alliance without a really damn good cause.
And yes, it is important to plan ahead in case you have to face rogue elements like Saren Arterius or Balak or even hostile forces like the geth or the completely hypothetical army of murder-crazed Council races out for human blood. Tell me how pissing off one of the most powerful forces in the galaxy, whom we are currently allied with, by withholding something they dearly want out of xenophobic paranoia helps accomplish this.
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This isn't Space Feudalism.
You're drastically overstating the effects of personal influence.
None of the fanatics you mentioned were ever a threat to humanity as a whole, most of them aren't a threat to even large parts of humanity. Saren was mostly all Sovereign's doing. Balak was one crazy guy with an asteroid, who tried to attack a colony that makes up significantly less than 1% of humanity's total population, ans was stopped.
Not exactly existential threats.
Van Ropen
Angry, angry about elves.
To open: Fuck you.
No, I expect douchebags on both sides to be douchebags (for instance, there are no doubt people like you in the Alliance leadership - see: Admiral Mikhailovich being a retard) but in the end, the organization as a whole will do what serves its interests the best, especially in matters like this. What overwhelming emotions and motivations come into play here on the Citadel side of things? Assholes like Saren will be assholes, but they are a minority among 1/3 of the Citadel leadership.
YOU HAVE COMPLETELY IGNORED THE FACT THAT YOU ARE PROMOTING THE CREATION OF A HOSTILE ENVIRONMENT. Again. Obviously we are prepared for war, obviously we don't intend to share our best stuff (this very fucking turn has us finishing advanced blackboxing so we can keep repulsors in house...and by the time they get those, we will have finished flawless blackboxing and moved on to repulsor cannons).
You are not "preparing" for anything, you are manufacturing a hostile environment for little to no gain. THEY WILL GET ARC REACTOR TECH. They will. Hell, we fucking want them to. You are not serving anyone by antagonizing them over it. The answer to your security concerns? MAKE OURS BETTER. Which everyone in the thread is willing to do.
Minorities. THEY ARE MINORITIES. Balak and Saren existed in the canon time line, how much war broke out between the Alliance and the Citadel? NONE. BECAUSE IT IS COUNTERPRODUCTIVE, and everyone who isn't a fucking retard sees that.
No, I expect enough people to be greedy fucks that they will
Rogue action? The sheer, stubborn idiocy with which you ignore facts is astounding - how does a rogue action affect anything at all? We are talking about general relations at the highest level here.
Saren was immediately kicked out on his ass in the canon timeline, precisely because the Council isn't going to abide that kind of "rogue action."
"Blah blah, filthy xenos, blah blah"
"...go home
Those people are a tiny minority, without a real impact on policy. Yes, business rules all when you look at the system as a whole.
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- Dual citizen of SV&SB
Don't fall to that level, Keep the swear filters clean, people >.>
And another point to add: We know at least one counselor: Tevos. Little miss: "Bah, your eyewitness wasn't enough for us to take action. He was obviously traumatized."
The Council likes not having to do anything visible, especially not things that would anger a nation. (Besides the batarians. Screw them.) Revy Shepard, HERO of mindoir, the Genius ushering in a new age of Science! Would cause the alliance to raise a racket if they tried anything. Patenting now prevents any legal channel they could take right now.
And another point to add: We know at least one counselor: Tevos. Little miss: "Bah, your eyewitness wasn't enough for us to take action. He was obviously traumatized."
The Council likes not having to do anything visible, especially not things that would anger a nation. (Besides the batarians. Screw them.) Revy Shepard, HERO of mindoir, the Genius ushering in a new age of Science! Would cause the alliance to raise a racket if they tried anything. Patenting now prevents any legal channel they could take right now.
Mochinator
Protect the weak against the evil strong.
Yes, because them not running it now doesn't mean they can't run it later because the government will remain static.
And mentioning Saren, what exactly would declaring him a outlaw do hmm ? The bird has already flown, he would have already purchased sufficient amounts of Arc Tech to use against Humanity. If the tech was kept at a limit though, the damage he can deal with it will be less because the shields put up by our unlimited Arc Tech would be able to handle it with ease.
You're constantly believing that everyone is willing to look at the large picture, that they're willing to put nation first before self. That concepts like bribery or corruption do not exist or are unable to reach the higher echelons of power.
All it would take is one nut-job with a grudge and funds and Humanity will face Arc Tech being turned against it, and the unlimited Arc Tech to boot.
If this goes through you know what will happen ? Batarians with Power Armor that are able to tap into the full power of the MK 1 during the Blitz, because Weapon Companies will sell to anyone who can afford it.
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@VanRopen, peace. Think of him as an ignorant child. Getting angry at him does nobody any good.
Updating my vote, before I forget it:
Business
[X] Building Better Babies. Distribute your new procedures as widely as you can, making Humanity stronger, faster, smarter and prettier. Also pissing off the companies that are making a killing doing this for the rich and powerful.
-[X] Provide free treatment to cure genetic disease in children.
--[X] Work with those of alliance governments who have free medical care and mandatory inoculations to spread your advancements as far as possible (and for political capital)
---[X] See if you can involve Sirta Foundation. This sort of thing is their specialty and it would be nice to have a working relationship.
[X] File. Let them see what we can do, and let them then shut up and give us their money.
-[X] But have your people go over any changes in Citadel patent law first. Hire a specialist if needs be.
[X] Hire on five new security teams.
- [X]Prioritize Marines but if we have to take on more LEOs or mercs to have them on time then so be it.
[X] Build Basic Research Lab II and III
-[X] Hire Research Teams at our usual salary
Research
[X] Advanced Fire Control VI (0/400)
60d10 + 120 = 98.85% chance of completion
[X] Advanced Black boxing/FRM (439/800)
60d10 + 70 = 96.21 % chance of completion
[X] Peak Human (0/400)
20D10+70+Overflow
Spare time
[X] Have your own advanced implant (Magi) installed.
-[X] Ask if Rahna would be willing to be hired as your tutor for you
[X] Spend time with family and Brian.
-[X] Hellish as it was fighting to beat Mum's challenges with Brian was fun, maybe you can do some more of that
--[X] Bring some of what you've learned to the Security Teams training
Business
[X] Building Better Babies. Distribute your new procedures as widely as you can, making Humanity stronger, faster, smarter and prettier. Also pissing off the companies that are making a killing doing this for the rich and powerful.
-[X] Provide free treatment to cure genetic disease in children.
--[X] Work with those of alliance governments who have free medical care and mandatory inoculations to spread your advancements as far as possible (and for political capital)
---[X] See if you can involve Sirta Foundation. This sort of thing is their specialty and it would be nice to have a working relationship.
[X] File. Let them see what we can do, and let them then shut up and give us their money.
-[X] But have your people go over any changes in Citadel patent law first. Hire a specialist if needs be.
[X] Hire on five new security teams.
- [X]Prioritize Marines but if we have to take on more LEOs or mercs to have them on time then so be it.
[X] Build Basic Research Lab II and III
-[X] Hire Research Teams at our usual salary
Research
[X] Advanced Fire Control VI (0/400)
60d10 + 120 = 98.85% chance of completion
[X] Advanced Black boxing/FRM (439/800)
60d10 + 70 = 96.21 % chance of completion
[X] Peak Human (0/400)
20D10+70+Overflow
Spare time
[X] Have your own advanced implant (Magi) installed.
-[X] Ask if Rahna would be willing to be hired as your tutor for you
[X] Spend time with family and Brian.
-[X] Hellish as it was fighting to beat Mum's challenges with Brian was fun, maybe you can do some more of that
--[X] Bring some of what you've learned to the Security Teams training
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Um... We're still the only supplier of Arc reactors in the galaxy? Yes, they can try to reverse engineer it, but Esbilon has said the patent would have less information than obidiah had in Iron man 1, And they couldn't do it. I don't expect the batarians to start making knock offs in time for the Blitz.
And we're planning to expand to elysium next anyways, to help with colony defense.
Edit: And for ease of vote change:
[x] Kelenas
Mochinator
Protect the weak against the evil strong.
Yes, because the Organization will never fall. That it will always maintain the status quo because you decreed it to be so.
Limiting the Arc Tech is perfectly within our rights as the developer of the tech. The fact that we developed the Arc Tech means we can and should set limits for it instead of throwing it out and moving on to a better one, relying on new tech to always maintain that competitive edge.
Ignoring the fact that all organizations are made from people that when if sufficient amounts of people are convinced the organization as a whole can be moved.
Escalating actions. One rogue agent could lead to more which can snowball into a disaster. The odds are low but it can happen, and preparing for that in case it happens is the smart thing to do.
Also, you clearly missed the point where proof had to be provided, and even then the proof came in the form of extremely contrived circumstances. All it would take would be Tali to be killed and poof, you have 1 person starting a war despite all you fancy talk about business and people being motivated by greed.
You're severely underestimating the damage a fanatic can do and are perfectly willing to arm them because Greed.
Mochinator
Protect the weak against the evil strong.
Not my point.
What i was saying is that because we have to sell reactors to maintain the patent, Arms Companies can get their hands on them and use it to develop power armor in the style pioneered by us and sell it to anyone who is willing to pay for it.
Because we're being forced to sell the reactors, we do not know where they will end up and what they will be used for.
Limiting the power it can produced means that if by some bad luck we end up facing it over the battlefield, we will have the advantage because our Arc Reactor will generate more power then theirs, so our shields at least will last longer.
Bringing that back to the suits we sell to the SA, it ensures that said suits will always be better then the knockoffs because of the extra power it has.