SayakaQuest Thread 10: Glory To The Death

Welcome to the end. :p

Emiko went a lot worse than we meant it to thanks to the fact she pulled the monumentally stupid stunt of attacking the school with both Homura and Madoka there and going for "attack ALL OF THE THINGS on sight"- resulting in Homura trying to off her right then and there. She burned too many bridges at once to keep her around- she literally crossed a line even the Tokyo Six hadn't by intentionally going after a school and not just the megucas- from Sayaka's POV at the time, anyway. Not as though there isn't precedent for righteous rage Sayaka, either. :D

Emiko was a case where circumstances and the character made the more efficient/minmaxy route impossible- besides, as a feral meguca from Kyoko's turf, we were fairly sure we couldn't trust or rely on her to actually stick around for Walpurgisnight. We did want to leave her running with her limbs intact and a fairly low-grief gem but...Homu Interrupt meant that didn't happen.

While we might have overdone the "not your fault" somewhat...it's true that a lot of the time there were extenuating circumstances/they were tricked into it. For things like the T6 who made a conscious choice to do horrible things and not stop and the refugee familiar-feeding before we found out about the literal mind control turning off their morality, we got into full righteous fury mode. Sayaka having a very black and white mindset doesn't help there either. We actually did have a bit of "make up for past mistakes" with offering Walpurgisnight recruitment but we're wary of anything that might seem like blackmail/forcing them into it after the Akane incident way back when.

Seeing them as victims makes for fewer mental gymnastics- and we did see that kind of thing in Rebellion Sayaka's mindset a bit. A lot of it's related to the squinting needed to accept Kyoko's familiar-feeding in the past without things ending in tears.
 
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We might use the "it's not your fault" bit too much, but often we don't have time to pursue long term therapy; we need them to stop being depressed quickly or they'll grief spiral on us. We kind of do it so often we've gotten into a bit of a routine with it. Going back to Emiko: sometimes people's decisions are their fault and that means that when someone shows up and starts trying to impale civvies, we can't let that slide. It would have been out of character to reconcile with her, even if she was in a grief spiral. (also, let's be honest: Homura would have killed her ass the second we looked away after that stunt.)
 
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An actual, good, well-written, helpful review.
Thank fuck. Thanks for the feedback, man.

And yeah, unfortunately some of those problems are kind of inherent with the structure of quests in general. I have to take input from the players and while I can, and often do, manipulate the vote to fit her character, I have to keep their ideas in mind. Otherwise, I might as well be writing a fanfic.

The prose, not so much. I'll keep it in mind while writing future sequences/fight scenes/just plain old scenes in general.
 
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[X] Talk to...
-[X] Tomo's dad.
-[X] "We have more preparations to make before Walpurgis arrives. I'm sorry for what you're going through, but I think your wife needs you right now. You can't do much at this point, but you can be strong for Tomo, she needs her parents right now."
-[X]Tomo
 
[X] Talk to...
-[X] Tomo's dad.
-[X] "We have more preparations to make before Walpurgis arrives. I'm sorry for what you're going through, but I think your wife needs you right now. You can't do much at this point, but you can be strong for Tomo, she needs her parents right now."
-[X]Tomo
 
Ok, finally found it. Chapter 10.3.14, which is yesterday, timeline-wise.

Want to take a moment to bring up a particular issue that I think is going to seriously hurt us if it's not resolved.


"Ish." She says. 'Think we should tell them about...the witch thing?'
You shake your head. '...no. I don't.'
She takes a breath. 'Madoka isn't stupid. I think she might figure it out eventually...'
'We can't drop that on her.' You say. 'She doesn't need to know that now.'
Kyouko frowns. '...alright.'

In this case, the restriction is an affirmation of the status quo, not a player decision.

I'm going to point out a few things that make me think that this is a very, very bad decision.

1) Withholding information is how Kyuubey works. He'll tell you the truth, but only just barely enough to make you think you're making an informed decision, and not see the pothole you're about to step in.

Keeping critical information from Madoka means that she thinks she's making an informed decision, but really isn't. As long as she trusts you and does what you say? Fine, no problem. However all it takes is four words from Kyuubey to completely screw you over:

"They don't trust you." (Which, all things considered, would be factually true.)

Do you really want to be like Kyuubey? Do you really think you can ever win playing the information hiding game with him?

Really, leaving it this long already puts us at a disadvantage. "If they hid this from you for this long, what else are they hiding from you?" Just tiny seeds of doubt, and your 'informed' decision becomes riddled with holes.

Pretty much every major bad decision (aside from the Tokyou 6, which was, sadly, a very informed decision) has come down to unknown or hidden information. The most recent example is the Tokyo immigrants — the information regarding the morality of their actions was suppressed, in their minds. Or Tomo's parents; aside from their personal issues, they didn't know that their actions were killing their daughter.

Several examples have hit today (game-time), enough to give justification for a change in action if Sayaka really considers the implications.

2) Dropping the witch bomb will be devastating for her, but also allows you to connect the logical dots from the other thing that Kyuubey said:

'Your daughter could solve so many problems.'
'You see, Madoka has the potential strength and power to defeat Walpurgsnacht easily! All she needs to do is-!'
'She can do so much good for this world.' Kyubey says. 'And you're wasting her potential as a magical girl.' He turns. 'You could stop Walpurgisnacht. Perhaps even become a god.'

And explain to her:

- If you contract, you could defeat Walpurgisnacht. (per Kyuubey)
- Every use of magic corrupts your soul gem. (known fact)
- The amount of magic necessary to destroy Walpurgisnacht is enormous. (simple deduction)
- Destroying Walpurgisnacht would thus likely completely corrupt your soul gem. (logical deduction)
- Fully corrupted soul gems lead to witches. (known fact)
- So, contracting would allow you to defeat Walpurgisnacht, and then immediately turn into a witch yourself, either killing everyone, or forcing us to kill you. (logical conclusion)
- The strength of the magic girl is reflected in the strength of the witch. (implied fact)
- If you're strong enough to defeat Walpurgisnacht... (logical implication)

Be clear that each point is a known fact, or a clear deduction from known facts. Even if Madoka gives any credence to what Kyuubey says (rather than just trusting us blindly), the logical conclusions are still horrible. Please, don't contract.


3) There are only 5 days left to Walpurgisnacht. We already should have told her at least yesterday, during the family dinner (at least privately). The longer you hide the information, the worse things becomes when she does find out.

If anyone dies or witches out in the final fight? She has little enough self-worth that she will almost certainly contract simply because no matter how much you guys 'tell' her that you want her to remain as she is, she thinks you're worth more than her own life.

Now, her connection to Homura gives her a -very- tenuous bond of real worth. Even still, even if Homura doesn't actually die, if she gets hurt hard enough that Madoka can't tell the difference (because she hasn't been seeing you replacing limbs left and right), that may still trigger.



Conclusion: I'd very much advocate doing the reveal before the current day is out.
 
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Oh, we weren't going to keep that from her for long, she just ranked lower on the to-do list for the day. We were trying to handle the more volatile situations first, as we figured Madoka wouldn't be contracting in the time we spent doing so, and the others were in danger of witching out. She should probably be our next stop now, though.
 
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Do you really want to be like Kyuubey? Do you really think you can ever win playing the information hiding game with him?
Sadly in some PMMM quest a portion of the players will try that. And I learn from Moid and Thagguy that Kyuubey(the DM) can and WILL make you pay for trying to outsmart the damn rat.
;_; that or they try to antagonize it for being in the room.
 
Except that we know for a fact Madoka just adds a suicide clause to her wish when she knows about the Witchbomb, Homura's already revealed to her that things go horribly wrong every time when she contracts/she doesn't save anyone, and appealing to Madoka's trust makes perfect sense given who we're playing.
 
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If Madoka's going to wish knowing what her witch is won't stop her. She'll just kill herself to keep it from happening. This is also a known fact, we asked Homura about this before.
 
Actually with all said, witchbombing Madoka is worst than keeping that information away from her. In our favor, she knows now not to trust the fucker, knowing its true intentions. Only think we need to do is for Madoka to trust in what we do that day, and that we have (or, to said it better, Homura has) reasons regarding on what information is revealed to her.
 
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Actually with all said, witchbombing Madoka is worst than keeping that information away from her. In our favor, she knows now not to thrust the fucker, knowing its true intentions. Only think we need to do is for Madoka to trust in what we do that day, and that we have (or, to said it better, Homura has) reasons regarding on what information is revealed to her.
Today on unfortunate misspellings...
 
[X] Talk to...
-[X] Tomo's dad.


"We have more preparations to make before Walpurgis arrives." You stand up. "I'm sorry for this. For all this...but...your wife needs you."

"Gone?" He frowns.

"No. She needs you..." You swallow. You're not even buying it yourself. "...You can't do much at this point, but you can be strong for Tomo...at least. She needs her parents."

He buries his face right back in his hands.

-[X]Tomo


"...Are you okay?" You ask.

Tomo doesn't say anything.

[OPTION SELECT]

[] Leave.

[] Stay. (Two posts until leaving)

[] Say something to Tomo.
 
[x] Stay
[x] Say something to Tomo

Really think we should come up with some sort of encouraging/reassuring write in but I'm terrible at both of those things...
 
[X]Stay
[X]Say something to Tomo.
I would write-in something to say, but my last write-in didn't exactly reach the Tomos. I'll sit this one out.
 
The thing about the Tomo's is that the parents HATE each other. Like, 'months away from a messy divorce' hate. And now they're being told that guess what, their drama is killing their daughter, probably the one thing they don't regret coming from their marriage.

So what the fuck are they supposed to do now? Try and pretend everything's happy for their daughter? I have no doubts they've already tried that in their past and failed. Get a divorce like they were heading to already? Well, that just might kill their daughter. That's not on the cards anymore. They can't depend on each other. They can't comfort the other. They're both stuck in an impossible situation. And worse, they're alone.

All of these things are terrible and the worst part is, that Sayaka can't really solve any of these. There's no magic wand or magical write in that will magically solve Tomo's family situation.
 
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