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Sardonyx: Scion and Trinity Continuum

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notanautomaton said:
New news.
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Highlights for those who can't grab it right away.

  • Fair bit of information from the alpha slice and sundry other bits about the system we've already heard about.
  • When taking damage, you can instead choose to pick up an appropriate Complication to avoid taking damage, but this effectively adds to the difficulty of later actions.
  • Previews of Relics and Dramatic Editing
  • Scion Kickstarter in Fall 2016.
 
notanautomaton said:
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Nice info. it seems to be more of a summary of existing information presented as more digestable offering. Which lets me reiterate, that this feels like a strong base system, that unless there is weird mechanical hiccup should work very well. This only leaves lore as the main hiccup, which has not been filling me with optimism, but that can be ignored, hopefully.

One thing though. Is it just me or did Scion pull before Trinity in developmental cycle? They alweays showed it as a second product and now it looks like it is first.
 
zorb42 said:
One thing though. Is it just me or did Scion pull before Trinity in developmental cycle? They alweays showed it as a second product and now it looks like it is first.
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Yep.

Plus, look at how most of the threadmarks we've got are for Scion with only a handful of Trinity things. There just feels like there's more information about Scion than Trinity.
 
I suppose this is the place to do it, but I was rereading Hogfather and you know what would make an amusing...thing? Like...

Death (Discworld) descendents/Scions. Who can walk the walk and stalk the stalk and go through walls and know when people are going to die and have an oddly-authoritative voice and etc...

Just a random thought, but it does seem to fit, at least in some ways.
 
Nervaqus987 said:
Yep.

Plus, look at how most of the threadmarks we've got are for Scion with only a handful of Trinity things. There just feels like there's more information about Scion than Trinity.
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I know this was awhile ago, but I think it's just that Neall Raemonn Price is more chatty about his game than other developers.

I also get the sense that something may have happened to the Developer of Trinity, some personal tragedy, because he used to be a lot more active in community discussion of Trinity and Onyx Path in general.
 
Aaron Peori said:
...I want this to be the first Kickstarter I back ever but the Ex3 kickstarter does not make me filled with confidence.
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They actually did acknowledge that Ex3 had some big mistakes with the Kickstarter- apparently, they deliberately waited with Scion 2e until relatively late in the process, so as to not have that happen again.

Also, for what it's worth, the head team of Ex3 at least, IIRC, isn't involved with Scion 2e in any way. :V
 
Aaron Peori said:
...I want this to be the first Kickstarter I back ever but the Ex3 kickstarter does not make me filled with confidence.
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Well, on one hand... We do know enough about the system and the bits shown to say, that this is mostly done. The system is rather simple, if potentialy filled with some glaring holes, but it seems functional and it is system basically designed for Scion from the ground up ( it really does not fit original Trinity well). It does indeed show great promise for Scion pulpy epic adventure style.

On the other hand. The development process oozes typical Onyx path attitude of : if you are disagreeing, you are a rube and we cannot be wrong (But that was mostly Trinity side). Their attempt at worldbuilding is worst case of combin ing World of darkness X did everything and lame attempt to present necessity sins of urban fantasy as Virtue(Scion is setting agnostic enough for this to not be big issue though).

From purely clinical strandpoint. I believe this will be first kickstarter, that must rely mostly on Onyx path reputation itself, instead on the brand name of the product, since Exalted came out(I might be wrong). It will be interesting to see how well it does.
 
horngeek said:
They actually did acknowledge that Ex3 had some big mistakes with the Kickstarter- apparently, they deliberately waited with Scion 2e until relatively late in the process, so as to not have that happen again.

Also, for what it's worth, the head team of Ex3 at least, IIRC, isn't involved with Scion 2e in any way. :V
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From what I've read/gathered/divined from the entrails of slain Tyrant Lizards, the Ex3 Kickstarter was a delightful combination of real world interference and well-intentioned mistakes*. One of the specifics that stood out to me was that Holden and Morke pitched a timeline based on their experiences working on Exalted 2e supplements, a timeline that proved to be radically optimistic. But yeah, Ex3 was both the lemon in the bunch and OPP's pocket guide on how not to Kickstarter.

*At no point, from anything, do I get the impression that the Exalted Third Edition team was out, in any way, to defraud or dupe their backers. Optimistic, inexperienced, and downright unlucky? In spades. But not malicious.
 
Yeah as whole, OPP has been rather good with their kickstarters. Ex3 was a big mess but the rest have gone by rather smoothly. Sure a few delays here and there and the Wraith Curse has struck Wr20 but all and all OPP is reliable in its kickstarters.

If you want to back it but too worried about spending a lot on it, back it for $10US or $20US. The former will net you the first of the books of KS in PDF format and latter will get you both in PDF which really isn't a whole lot to spend. At $20 bucks you're getting two books while getting Scion: Hero, the main 1E rulebook is about the same price on PDF.

Myself, I'm probably going to back it for $20 as outside of the 1E Quickstart, I've never touched Scion. So it doesn't have as big an appeal for me as say Wr20 or M20 did. But since my experience with OPP KS in past is good and I do have to admit I've always been a bit intrigued by Scion, I'm willing to back it.
 
SciTwo Kickstarter said:
This is our twenty-first Onyx Path Kickstarter, and we have learned enough (sometimes painfully) to make some tweaks to our goals, reward tiers, and prizes. One of those things is that we tend to get the same questions asked during each Kickstarter, but have a limit on the amount of text we can put on this KS page, so we're hosting a FAQ here:

Kickstarter FAQ

Risks and challenges

Risk: This book isn't created at all even though the goal is reached.
Solution: We have successfully shipped thirteen Kickstarter projects, with two others at press, and several more are headed to completion as you read this. All those books have taught us how the various pieces of the process works, sometimes painfully, and we have increased our ability to judge the various stages of delivery better with each KS. The current text for both Scion: Origin and Scion: Hero has passed through the First Draft stage into being notated by the developer in the Redline phase prior to Final Drafts, and we are going to carefully limit the amount of new text from Stretch Goals and Rewards.

Risk: Shipping costs soak up pledges that were meant to enable the creation of Scion: Origin and Scion: Hero.
Solution: Kickstarter shipping costs have continued to rise dramatically this last year, but we are aware of that and were able to find ways to work with shippers to bring down those costs - unfortunately, only to some extent as we have also needed to up the shipping charges- both methods allowing us to be sure that shipping doesn't eat up the pledge money supposed to go to printing. For the first time, because of Kickstarter adding the option to their tools, we are able to be more specific as to shipping costs based on your country. These costs will be added to your pledge automatically by KS if you are outside the US. As always, local or VAT style taxes will need to be paid by the backer when appropriate and are not included in these costs. And we are working with our shippers to ship from the EU and thus avoid those customs and handling fees we've previously had to pass on to our EU backers.

Risk: The books will take a long time to produce and anger the backers.
Solution: We've learned many, many lessons with our previous Kickstarters and we're becoming much better at estimating the various pitfalls that will delay a KS project. We were able to deliver the PDFs for several of our last KS projects several months before the estimate, and recent Kickstarters started shipping in the month or the month before we estimated. That being said, backers need to be aware that they are enabling a process, and not a pre-order opportunity, and things do sometimes run slower than we want or anticipate with that process.

We've found that an open flow of communication between us and the backer community is vital so once the project funds we will deliver regular

Updates on progress via Kickstarter as well as in our regular, weekly, Monday Meeting Notes blog at www.theonyxpath.com
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Rock on.

Needless to say, I'll be backing this one.

The Laurent said:
Biggest danger is promising the moon, the sun, and the stars as stretch goals.
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Don't be ridiculous!

The Moon, The Sun, and The Stars are all core Purviews, they'll be in the book regardless.
 
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So, the ~18-hour mark report.

It has funded at ~$104 000, which is over 400%. Currently achieved stretch goals include:
A Scion Companion PDF, featuring the Loa pantheon (included with all PDF reward tiers)
A limited edition backer's T-shirt (on RedBubble)
Kieron Gillen has been commissioned for the intro fiction
The Scion Companion has been expanded to include the Gallic pantheon
The Scion Jumpstart PDF, designed to help groups new to Scion get started (included with all PDF reward tiers)

Known future stretch goals include a 1e-to-2e translation guide chapter for the Companion, a fiction anthology, and the Persian pantheon. Beyond that? Who can say.
 
GhanjRho said:
Known future stretch goals include a 1e-to-2e translation guide chapter for the Companion, a fiction anthology, and the Persian pantheon. Beyond that? Who can say.
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Very entertaining to watch Neall, the lead developer, face a barrage of stretch goal pitches from eager writers with stuff they thought we couldn't quite fit into the book. The Nemetondevos (Gallic pantheon) were something of a favourite of his, and the Orisha (an African pantheon) were always being designed with the Loa (Vodoun pantheon) in mind, but while a fair few unrevealed stretch goals are set in stone, everyone seems to regard this as the time to wheel out that one thing they really, really want to squeeze in. I'm really excited.
 
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Revlid said:
Very entertaining to watch Neall, the lead developer, face a barrage of stretch goal pitches from eager writers with stuff they thought we couldn't quite fit into the book. The Nemetondevos (Gallic pantheon) were something of a favourite of his, and the Orisha (an African pantheon) were always being designed with the Loa (Vodoun pantheon) in mind, but while a fair few unrevealed stretch goals are set in stone, everyone seems to regard this as the time to wheel out that one thing they really, really want to squeeze in. I'm really excited.
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The Nementondevos excite me just for the worldbuilding (or should that be World-building?) that comes with them. Just what happens to the Gods when their worshippers die out? What did they do to so offend the Theoi that Venus would send her son to put them to fire and sword? The Netjer survived, even thrived while under Roman rule. The Tuatha and Yazata were at the edges of Roman influence, and seem to have come out the other side intact. But not the Nementondevos.
 
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