- Location
- Voidbetweenstars
uh I think it wants us to beat it into the ground.
Renascence: A Homura Quest
- Thread starter Higure
- Start date
- Crossover Fantasy Mystery
Hyp3rB14d3
Gotta catch 'em all!
Oy. The frustrating part is that we don't know it can move in time stop in-character.
[X] KILL
-[x] Plan Time to Kill
--[x] You'd rather keep the collateral damage to a minimum, if possible. Stop Time, then start hurling knives at the enemy. Try to kill it without using firearms.
---[x] If the enemy starts moving in timestop, drop the timestop immediately.
---[x] Otherwise, hurl knives at it from different angles until you run out, then drop timestop.
--[x] If the knives appear to kill or incapacitate it, but the body doesn't vanish, use the katana to lop the hand holding the needle off at the wrist and kick the needle away, then retreat while shooting the enemy with a desert eagle.
--[x] Otherwise, take potshots at it with the desert eagle while retreating. Attempt to draw it into a pursuit.
---[x] Remember, Nanoha is outside. Therefore, you can get the enemy out of the church, you'll have reinforcements.
--[x] Once it's outside, start using the automated machine guns to pin it in place. See if you can set up a shot with a rocket launcher.
--[x] Keep in mind that this is a witch. Watch out for familiars.
[X] KILL
-[x] Plan Time to Kill
--[x] You'd rather keep the collateral damage to a minimum, if possible. Stop Time, then start hurling knives at the enemy. Try to kill it without using firearms.
---[x] If the enemy starts moving in timestop, drop the timestop immediately.
---[x] Otherwise, hurl knives at it from different angles until you run out, then drop timestop.
--[x] If the knives appear to kill or incapacitate it, but the body doesn't vanish, use the katana to lop the hand holding the needle off at the wrist and kick the needle away, then retreat while shooting the enemy with a desert eagle.
--[x] Otherwise, take potshots at it with the desert eagle while retreating. Attempt to draw it into a pursuit.
---[x] Remember, Nanoha is outside. Therefore, you can get the enemy out of the church, you'll have reinforcements.
--[x] Once it's outside, start using the automated machine guns to pin it in place. See if you can set up a shot with a rocket launcher.
--[x] Keep in mind that this is a witch. Watch out for familiars.
- Location
- Somewhere
Okay, first thing...
Now then, onto the vote. I'm really not sure what's going on here, actually. Where's one of the familiars from Homura's Witch form coming from? I thought I remembered Higure saying that Humicifer and Madokami weren't going to be appearing in this quest.
As for actually fighting this one, Usotsuki...I think we really should start most fights with unfamiliar opponents, especially in character unfamiliar opponents, with probing techniques, trying to determine weaknesses.
[X] KILL
-[X] Try to lure it outside, Kyoko will kill us if we destroy even more of her church.
-[X] Start with probing and evading techniques. Try to determine weaknesses using a variety of weapons before going all out
I'm new to the forums, how does one go about setting things so invisitext automatically shows? And does it give an indication that it is invisitext when shown automatically other than context?
Now then, onto the vote. I'm really not sure what's going on here, actually. Where's one of the familiars from Homura's Witch form coming from? I thought I remembered Higure saying that Humicifer and Madokami weren't going to be appearing in this quest.
As for actually fighting this one, Usotsuki...I think we really should start most fights with unfamiliar opponents, especially in character unfamiliar opponents, with probing techniques, trying to determine weaknesses.
[X] KILL
-[X] Try to lure it outside, Kyoko will kill us if we destroy even more of her church.
-[X] Start with probing and evading techniques. Try to determine weaknesses using a variety of weapons before going all out
- Location
- Head in the clouds
There's more invistext than that - and whoever that last line is they were there for awhile. The first and third are the ones that seem to be the same speaker. Everyone started showing up when Kyubey did.
So I'm going to hope that Kyouko actually is here rather than Homura hallucinating. Because she's the one that would be using that terminology.
Also the Clara doll or dolls was listening for a while.
So that mysterious line that we're sure aren't Ruki? If it's a hallucination it isn't Madoka because I think it's been around longer than that.
It may be Kyouko though - especially if she remembered that Nagisa was coming by.
So apparently the german translates to "Where is a long needle?"
Where is a short needle? - Lyrics from Hail the Nutcracker Queen according to a google search
So question for everyone - was the Clara Doll hanging around the area or just happened across Nanoha? Because if the first we need to stop by here every time because I can't in good conscience say that Homura can knowingly let Nagisa get killed by a Clara that happened to be in the building.
Hyp3rB14d3
Gotta catch 'em all!
Let's take a look at Homura's inventory.
31 Handguns [214 Clips]
Handguns are made for killing humans. Magical girls are significantly more durable than humans, and the Clara Dolls are comparable to magical girls, so these might not be particularly useful in this fight. That said, they are explicitly shown to be useful against familiars, so it would be in-character for Homura to lead with these, especially with probing attacks.
21 Machine Guns [253 Clips]
These have a higher rate of fire than handguns, and are more likely to be useful against the Clara Doll. Some of them have been enchanted to fire automatically, which makes me think they'll be more useful for limiting the Clara Doll's movements than for doing damage.
5 Sniper Rifles [112 Clips]
Sniper rifles have a ridiculous amount of penetrating power, so these can probably do damage. On the other hand, the rate of fire is garbage, and there's a serious risk of hitting people other than the target as the round just keeps going and going.
2 Rocket Launchers [20 Rockets]
These can almost certainly do damage to the Clara Doll. On the other hand, if fired inside the church, this will do lots of collateral damage, and could start a fire.
1 Mini-Gun [12000 Rounds]
Extremely high rate of fire, likely to do damage.
16 Katana
Swords. They cut things. In theory, anyways. But if Sayaka can't beat Liar in a sword fight, Homura sure as hell can't either.
30 Knives
Like swords, except with worse range. We could try throwing them, but that's about as useful as they'll get offensively. Potentially useful defensively, if we had time to set up traps, which we don't.
12 Pipe Bombs
This would be great if we could stop time. As is, we're pretty much stuck throwing it and trying to pin Liar in place until it detonates.
1 Umbrella
Useful for hiding an action from Liar's sight, such as if we wanted to plant a pipe bomb without her seeing us do it, but that's about it.
1 Progressive Knife
Basically a chainsaw knife. Might be able to cut through Liar's needle. Homura probably won't be able to land a hit on Liar with it without something restricting her movements (such as a binding spell from Nanoha).
31 Handguns [214 Clips]
Handguns are made for killing humans. Magical girls are significantly more durable than humans, and the Clara Dolls are comparable to magical girls, so these might not be particularly useful in this fight. That said, they are explicitly shown to be useful against familiars, so it would be in-character for Homura to lead with these, especially with probing attacks.
21 Machine Guns [253 Clips]
These have a higher rate of fire than handguns, and are more likely to be useful against the Clara Doll. Some of them have been enchanted to fire automatically, which makes me think they'll be more useful for limiting the Clara Doll's movements than for doing damage.
5 Sniper Rifles [112 Clips]
Sniper rifles have a ridiculous amount of penetrating power, so these can probably do damage. On the other hand, the rate of fire is garbage, and there's a serious risk of hitting people other than the target as the round just keeps going and going.
2 Rocket Launchers [20 Rockets]
These can almost certainly do damage to the Clara Doll. On the other hand, if fired inside the church, this will do lots of collateral damage, and could start a fire.
1 Mini-Gun [12000 Rounds]
Extremely high rate of fire, likely to do damage.
16 Katana
Swords. They cut things. In theory, anyways. But if Sayaka can't beat Liar in a sword fight, Homura sure as hell can't either.
30 Knives
Like swords, except with worse range. We could try throwing them, but that's about as useful as they'll get offensively. Potentially useful defensively, if we had time to set up traps, which we don't.
12 Pipe Bombs
This would be great if we could stop time. As is, we're pretty much stuck throwing it and trying to pin Liar in place until it detonates.
1 Umbrella
Useful for hiding an action from Liar's sight, such as if we wanted to plant a pipe bomb without her seeing us do it, but that's about it.
1 Progressive Knife
Basically a chainsaw knife. Might be able to cut through Liar's needle. Homura probably won't be able to land a hit on Liar with it without something restricting her movements (such as a binding spell from Nanoha).
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Hyp3rB14d3
Gotta catch 'em all!
Actually... they're from Noi!, the Clara Dolls' insert song in Rebellion. That said, that's probably where Noi! got them from.
Edit: I'm an idiot. Noi! is Hail to the Nutcracker Queen.
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Lordsservent
Servant of the one true God and SV
- Location
- The centre of the Multiverse
There are 5 Clara dolls existing in this timeline.
The Clara dolls can retain memories across timelines.
The Clara dolls can retain memories across timelines.
Hyp3rB14d3
Gotta catch 'em all!
There are 15 Clara dolls existing in this timeline.
There are 14 Clara dolls existing in this timeline.
There is more than one Clara doll existing in this timeline.
There are 14 Clara dolls existing in this timeline.
There is more than one Clara doll existing in this timeline.
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Higure
Witch of Faith
- Location
- The Golden Land
I will not answer at this time.
Lordsservent
Servant of the one true God and SV
- Location
- The centre of the Multiverse
Well, I appreciate you telling us that.
Spectral Waltz
Scatterbrained Writer
- Location
- Walking the Endless Corridors
Higure
Witch of Faith
- Location
- The Golden Land
Yeah, I've done that quite a lot. Less lately, but it's sometimes needed.Is... Is that even allowed?v)
Reds WILL be given, but not now. Blue isn't there to provide spoilers, but to help with exploration and address misunderstandings.
Edit: Never hurts to throw a Blue, mind you. Just understand I'll sometimes hold off.
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I use an extension that lets me modify the CSS of sites that I view (Stylus). I've set it up so that all invisitext shows up as red text on a black background, so it's painfully obvious where it is, and in no way is confused with regular text. I put it together about 3 days after I first joined the forums, as that's as long as my patience for invisitext lasted.
I'd even suggest that as a replacement for regular invisitext usage, but we can't set the text background color in BBCode, so it's not really feasible. ... (Except maybe in table code... have to look at it.)
I'm not sure. Of the five lines I quoted, the first four sound like Ruki. Even if she can't understand German, she would recognize Homura's name.
On the one hand, I agree on the terminology for Kyuubey. On the other hand, I really can't buy that Kyouko's been here the whole time and nobody noticed. Even when we have Ruki dropping into invisitext, she doesn't indicate she notices any new people showing up.
I'm still not convinced it's real Kyouko, but I could kinda believe a hallucinated Kyouko. We have encountered a dream Kyouko before, after all.
Oh, good, we did actually do a supply raid. And I need to look at the inventory spoilers.
Notes...
We're at about 600 grief. Going over 900 is a Very Bad Thing. Homura's biggest attack (Attimo Finale) takes 300. As such, we cannot expect to use it this fight unless we cleanse.
Regular gun attacks should work as normal. Homura already has a set prepped to go.
Meanwhile, the Meta. This is very interesting, and suggests... something... I wish we had time to examine Homura's soul gem right now. I suspect an active symbol on it that wasn't there before.
OK, the first time through, this bit of text only said "LIAR". As such, I kept wondering how people figured out which Clara doll this was supposed to be, as it sounded like commentary rather than naming. But now I know. And Hyperblade provides a decent bit of extra info on the matter.
Speaking of which...
1) "You can do this, Homura. I'm here for you. Don't give up, and don't hold back."
The above line, which was in invisitext, was not spoken by Ruki.
2) Tick-tock. Tick-tock. Tick-tock.
The above line #2, which was heard just prior to the referenced invisitext speech (#1), is related to the individual who said the invisitext speech (#1).
Oh... And I just noticed the Active Effects. Of particular note, Akemi Madness is currently active, which I hadn't realized. That's interesting, and suggests a connection to the above stuff.
Line #1, above, was something that Homura could only 'hear' because Akemi Madness was active.
Is it still working for you, and if so, what's the code snippet look like for you?
The invistext revealing userstyle I have stopped working when XF2 hit.
Oh, speaking of which, I'd almost forgotten: XF2 has a built-in invisitext revealer. The little eye icon at the top of the post can be clicked to create black censor bars over invisible text that reveal the text when you hover over them.
The CSS rule that I'd used was:
Code:
span[style*="transparent" i] {
color: red !important;
background-color: black;
}It still works fine for me.
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- Location
- Head in the clouds
I meant the first and third of the ones I quoted.
I've been using this one, which is broken right now.
Seems that the linked one goes highly specific with what it targets, and the names of some of the CSS classes have changed with XF2.
Yeah, that is way more CSS than is necessary. Nothing on the site is going to use invisitext other than users, which is applied by a style on a <span>, so that's all you need to override. Also, I use Stylus, so all the @moz-document wrapper stuff is handled in a less intrusive way.
I'm using Stylus too. I just use that particular script because I was using it before I switched from Stylish to Stylus.
Higure
Witch of Faith
- Location
- The Golden Land
I am going to formally state that Magia Record is non-Canon for Renascence. Anything and everything revealed should be assumed untrustworthy for the sake of this quest, although I may borrow ideas at random.
More precisely, it is Canon to the universe it occurs in, but that is not the primary universe this quest takes place in.
More precisely, it is Canon to the universe it occurs in, but that is not the primary universe this quest takes place in.
The above line (#1), which was in invisitext, was not spoken by Ruki.
The above line #2, which was heard just prior to the referenced invisitext speech (#1), is somewhat related to the individual who said the invistext speech (#1).
Line #1, above, was not something that Homura could only 'hear' because Akemi Madness was active.
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- Location
- Philippines
Is fighting the Clara really necessary, isn't Homucifer all about self-loathing, so why not just ignore her or befriend her, it's ta strategy use to deal with internet trolls, so how about not feeding the masochistic Clara's self-loathing?
Macros
omnisciently vague councilman
- Location
- Dirac Sea
Probably not - in fact, I suspect it might be counter productive - but I don't think we have a choice. Notice how all we have is a [] Kill option with no write-in as an alternate route?
And really, it makes sense in character. Homura doesn't know those things are reflections of her own psyche. All she knows is it looks dangerous, it just attacked an ally, is apparently out to get her, and that she hates it on an instinctual level. Thus the kill on sight.
If i had to guess, this is part of a trial and error process she has to go through. Fight the doll with everything she has in this timeline, only to realize that maybe this wasn't in fact the solution, and try a different approach next time. Or something like that.
- Location
- Philippines
Ok how about attempted diplomacy instead since walking away is not a option?
Lordsservent
Servant of the one true God and SV
- Location
- The centre of the Multiverse
Sadly, I think Homura's reaction of "I hate this thing and want it to die" will not allow for diplomacy.
Macros
omnisciently vague councilman
- Location
- Dirac Sea
Once again, there's no write-in allowed here. KILL! is mandatory, with our choice being how to go about it.