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woah woah woah. You sure?

I looked through the demon section, and what I thought was that the peronelle encases your whole body, then turns itself transparent. The transparency isn't perfect, making you look unhealthy.
 
I guest any beastfolk wearing a peronelle is going to look hella weird(er than usual) then. Unless the demon can mimic fur/scales/etc.
 
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This is ridiculously nickpicky, but where do you guys pick up the term Peronelle?

I'm searching for info on the demon (mostly Ex3 conversion), and that name is waaaay more popular than the one in the book (Perronele)
 
Jen said:
This is ridiculously nickpicky, but where do you guys pick up the term Peronelle?

I'm searching for info on the demon (mostly Ex3 conversion), and that name is waaaay more popular than the one in the book (Perronele)
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If I was to guess, it's that for a word no one says out loud, "peronelle" (peron-elle) is more natural and more in line with English words than perronele (perro-neel).
 
Sydonai said:
Yes, IIRC you can ask for anything as long as it isn't "A Demon that knows Sorcery".
Including "This specific demon I know who happens to be a Sorcerer".
Although just because you ask for something doesn't mean that thing exists.
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As far as I know the default summoning brings you a generic version of the demon. If you want something special, either be really lucky, or know the demon well enough to specifically call for it(which might be aided with a library listing demons)
 
You can summon specific first circle demons if you know them somehow, and you can summon first circle demons with the appropriate focus - say you want to build a geodesic dome over a city in the south, you can call up various smith and crafter demons who have the appropriate background to look at the project and not go "wot's 'dis 'den? I only knows hows to make sexual aides and swords, and occasionallies i combines the two since i comes from 'ell and alls."
 
On the 'ethical soulsteel' topic. Aren't there entities native to Creation's Underworld which were never alive, or which have been totally corrupted by the void?

Seems that using either of those as the ectoplasm ingredient in your soulsteel mix would solve the ethical issue, or at least vastly reduce it.

The really ballsy might try chipping off peices of the tomb-bodies of the neverborn for ingredients of course. Not like eternally tormenting the already eternally tormented and binding them even more tightly to Creation, all in the pursuit of better bling, could possibly go wrong.
 
Kaiya said:
They exist, yeah, but they often tend to require you know someone involved. Generally finding RPG channels in general on Discord or Skype or IRC will help find you groups.
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It is really fucking hard to find any. Any games usually fill up with friends and opportunist campers before you even notice them, let alone submit an application.
 
willdelve4beer said:
On the 'ethical soulsteel' topic. Aren't there entities native to Creation's Underworld which were never alive, or which have been totally corrupted by the void?

Seems that using either of those as the ectoplasm ingredient in your soulsteel mix would solve the ethical issue, or at least vastly reduce it.

The really ballsy might try chipping off peices of the tomb-bodies of the neverborn for ingredients of course. Not like eternally tormenting the already eternally tormented and binding them even more tightly to Creation, all in the pursuit of better bling, could possibly go wrong.
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Honestly i don't see the point.

If you want to be etical, you just don't use soulsteel. You use any other magical material. Or, if you don't have any alternative, you just suck it up and make do without shiny toys.

Ethical soulsteel misses the whole point, that is, that soulsteel is the cheap(er) alternative to the other magical materials. A really hard to make ethical soulsteel is unnecessary, because if you don't mind the extra effort, you could just be working to obtain orichalcum.
 
Broken25 said:
Honestly i don't see the point.

If you want to be etical, you just don't use soulsteel. You use any other magical material. Or, if you don't have any alternative, you just suck it up and make do without shiny toys.

Ethical soulsteel misses the whole point, that is, that soulsteel is the cheap(er) alternative to the other magical materials. A really hard to make ethical soulsteel is unnecessary, because if you don't mind the extra effort, you could just be working to obtain orichalcum.
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Well, for me it is more of an intellectual exercise. But for a given exalted, one could imagine an abyssal on rogue or redemption path, realizing that soulsteel is the optimal choice for them, but wanting to shy away from the more blatantly mustache-twirling aspects of it.

That or a necromancer figuring 'well, if mixing dead souls with this ore makes soulsteel, I wonder what mixing never born bits, or bits of things that 'live' but were never alive would make'.

It would of course be up to the ST as to what sort of results they would get from the attempts.

As a side note, pretty certain that Jade-metal is actually the cheapest and most common in Creation proper, though I have always presumed that soulsteel was cheapest and most common in the Underworld.
 
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A question for my trashy EbbyxSzoreny ship. But if there is a Exalted High School dating sim game, what would Szoreny look like?
 
hmm. how to translate Mirror Forest into high-school-dating-sim terms?

Mirror - lots of bling & silver. Probably some level of narcissism, definitely obsessed with rivals/rivalry

Forest - tall, thin, 'willowy'?
 
Jen said:
A question for my trashy EbbyxSzoreny ship. But if there is a Exalted High School dating sim game, what would Szoreny look like?
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What wouldn't he look like?

Dude would have snuck everything he needed into the drama club's storage room to look like whatever clique he was deigning to hang out with that day, except more fabulous, just because he could.

Otherwise, the silver haired twink to Isidoros' black haired bear.
 
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Gamerlord said:
It is really fucking hard to find any. Any games usually fill up with friends and opportunist campers before you even notice them, let alone submit an application.
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I'm aware, but he was asking for suggestions. Finding games and groups requires you to put yourself out there and make friends. Find places with fans, be a cool person who likes Exalted, be friendly to the people who consider running, and you'll be kept in mind. Games are inherently social experiences, and to be included you gotta put yourself out there and be someone people wanna invite and think of considering when they run. Referring to people who make it in before you as 'opportunist campers' is probably best avoided, however, if you wanna make a positive impression on potential STs :p
 
Accelerator said:
Question.

What happens when an exalt meets something like a nanite swarm?

Have been reading eclipse phase.
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Depends, what charms do they have? What's the nanite swarm like? If it's a Grey Goo thing, I'd probably call it a living environmental hazard. In 2e, the Exalt would be trivially immune. In 3e, they'd be in a good bit of trouble.

Also, seriously, @Accelerator there's an Exalted Questions thread. Use it, it's in the thread banner.
 
willdelve4beer said:
Well, for me it is more of an intellectual exercise. But for a given exalted, one could imagine an abyssal on rogue or redemption path, realizing that soulsteel is the optimal choice for them, but wanting to shy away from the more blatantly mustache-twirling aspects of it.
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If you are an Abyssal who wants to be a good person and you are thinking about soulsteel, your quandry is that it is the optimal choice for your equipment but it is built on human suffering and horror. Therefore, you have to choose between being as powerful as you can possibly be and being a good person.

The two are mutually exclusive options. This is intentional. That is the point of it being a quandry. If you can get Chinese Knockoff Soulsteel that works just as well but isn't made from torturing sapient ghosts, being a good person is not a difficult and meaningful choice.
 
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If you are an Abyssal who wants to be a good person and you are thinking about soulsteel, your quandry is that it is the optimal choice for your equipment but it is built on human suffering and horror. Therefore, you have to choose between being as powerful as you can possibly be and being a good person.

The two are mutually exclusive options. This is intentional. That is the point of it being a quandry. If you can get Chinese Knockoff Soulsteel that works just as well but isn't made from torturing sapient ghosts, being a good person is not a difficult and meaningful choice.
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This is why I prefer Soulsteel to be irrevocable, and you can't possibly free the trapped souls. The crime is done, you have your evil haunted weapon. You can use it, or choose not to because it bothers you, but shattering/dissolving the weapon won't free the souls, merely change their shape. That way, you won't be literally evil for not freeing them, it's just a question of how comfortable are you profiting from their suffering.
 
Aleph said:
If you are an Abyssal who wants to be a good person and you are thinking about soulsteel, your quandry is that it is the optimal choice for your equipment but it is built on human suffering and horror. Therefore, you have to choose between being as powerful as you can possibly be and being a good person.

The two are mutually exclusive options. This is intentional. That is the point of it being a quandry. If you can get Chinese Knockoff Soulsteel that works just as well but isn't made from torturing sapient ghosts, being a good person is not a difficult and meaningful choice.
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If it is easy to get. Moving heaven and earth to purify soulsteel sounds like just the sort of thing up an Exalted's alley.
 
Aleph said:
If you are an Abyssal who wants to be a good person and you are thinking about soulsteel, your quandry is that it is the optimal choice for your equipment but it is built on human suffering and horror. Therefore, you have to choose between being as powerful as you can possibly be and being a good person.

The two are mutually exclusive options. This is intentional. That is the point of it being a quandry. If you can get Chinese Knockoff Soulsteel that works just as well but isn't made from torturing sapient ghosts, being a good person is not a difficult and meaningful choice.
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I...guess?

Honestly I'm really not crazy about soulsteel in general, and I speak in my capacity as Just Some Dude Who Doesn't Know Shit. It's so weird and binary, you either use it and directly participate in the unconscionable torture of innocents or you don't and you...don't. It might as well not be there, you just have to kinda awkwardly ignore the faces of the damned moaning inside some dude's armor whenever you pass someone with it. And that's a shame honestly? It's supposed to be the major magical material of an entire realm/Splat and instead it's just some weird shit that you only use if you're playing some edgelord asshole. Which sure that's some people but it's still like-

Abyssal: "My sword's screaming in pain."
ST: "Yeah, it's gonna do that."
Abyssal: "Can I have...one that doesn't?"
ST: "Yeah but it won't be as good, so are ya willing to be a monster or do you wanna lock yourself out of all the high end stuff~?"

It's like some asshole tax. There's no way to really engage with it, no way to leap off into anything with it. It's not a story, its not even a quandary tbh it's just "nice shit you can't have lol loser". And while I'm generally onboard with being good requiring some kind of sacrifice, being more than just getting a few Paragon Points instead of the cash bonus, I just don't know how this is fun. In terms of temptation it's not even that good really since it's the most clumsy and easily refuted kind. It's some dude on your shoulder going "But do it tho". And it being the cheaper knockoff of other existing magical materials means it lacks a clear identity of its own beyond "like x but evil".

Like y'know what's a really good counterexample? Jade. Jade mining is an immensely profitable, critical industry that's also incredibly labor intensive and has a destructive and immediate human cost. Mining in modern times isn't exactly a picnic and Creation is some iron age shit. Sure you can treat your workers better or find clever solutions but that Jade still has to come out of the ground and a lot of people are going to be brutal in how they get it free. And it's a few steps removed from the wielder so it's easier to manage in terms of, dunno, seduction? Subversion? The badass swordsman swinging the cool flaming blade doesn't have to think about the raw ingredients that went into it if he doesn't want to. It's way easier to rationalize ("well the sword's already made"/"Putting up one blade won't make a difference"/etc), which means he can be confronted with it if that's the story you want to tell.
 
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