Frakir's brother
Goodbye.
- Location
- The Sea of Trees
You forget, we don't care much about the Grail war. She is a great healer, gets us money, and her five treasures will make her capable of holding off most servants.
Fate: The Emiya Family Quest
- Thread starter Random Tale
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Random Tale
The Story-Bound
You can try, at least. I can give no guarentees on whether a particular Servant would be summoned, or whether they have what you desire.
Assuming you manage to convince Yuuno...
Olivie Sägebrecht, the Last Saint King, whose death marked the end of the Saint King Unification War. The most powerful mage of her time in Ancient Belka, her actions and death caused the creation of the Saint Church on Mid-Childa. Due to the Cross, followers of the Saint Church have skyrocketted in number on Mid-Childa, though followers are few on Earth. A relic that is said to belong to her in the past, the Shroud of the Saint King, is kept a hold of by a religous faction that stays a day or two away from the Cross, in hopes of guidence to find a way to defeat the Cross. The Grand Cathedral that was housing the Shroud was destroyed by the Cross four years ago.
Abdul Alhazred is a name that Yuuno has come across while studying the inhabitants of Earth, abet one he discovered accidentally. He believes the man is related to Al-Hazard, a civilization that predated Ancient Belka. Although he has no evidence, he believes that Abdul Alhazred may have been one of the original rulers of Al-Hazard, and may know things about that time that archeologists may never learn otherwise. However, considering on Earth that he is known for writing the Necronomicon, it might be a good idea to just pass over that idea. There is also the matter that, according to Yuuno, he may actually be still around, or at least someone using his name seems to have checked out the local copy of the Necronomicon from the local library. Tracking the book down could provide a catalyst, abet one that you may be reluctant to use.
Lambert Adler and Ralf Blumenthal, two warriors in Ancient Belka. Lambert is said to have single-handedly killed a hundred men of Blumenthal's after the death of his wife, going into a berserk rage. Later, when his castle was under siege, Ralf disguised himself as a woman to be 'rescued' from his own dungeons, later tricking Adler into drinking from a goblet that 'she' had poisoned. The Lamthal Goblet likely waits somewhere in the ruins of a museum that the Cross has destroyed.
Wendel Steube was a man who, stripped of his Intelligent Device, crafted a spear from stone and used it to kill a dozen mages over the course of a dozen nights, all without any magic use of Staeube. It is possible that the spearhead survived the many years since then.
Eleonore Kruger was a swordswoman who commanded a mighty ship of loyal crewmates, despite the fact that there seemed to be a high fatality rate under her. She and the crew of the Jung traveled far and wide among the stars, exploring new worlds on the way home to their own after an experiment with some Lost Logia placed the Jung on the far side of the galaxy. What was assumed to be the nameplate was spotted in a museum back on Mid-Childa, but no one knows whether or not it is the actual thing.
Getting use of any of these artifacts requires not only TSAB support, but also payment in 1 Resource's worth of mundane Earth Weapons. Of note is that almost none of them are known on Earth, so they likely would suffer a drop in power. The only one that Yuuno would suggest is the Shroud of the Saint King, and even using that could cause its own problems.
Abdul Alhazred is a name that Yuuno has come across while studying the inhabitants of Earth, abet one he discovered accidentally. He believes the man is related to Al-Hazard, a civilization that predated Ancient Belka. Although he has no evidence, he believes that Abdul Alhazred may have been one of the original rulers of Al-Hazard, and may know things about that time that archeologists may never learn otherwise. However, considering on Earth that he is known for writing the Necronomicon, it might be a good idea to just pass over that idea. There is also the matter that, according to Yuuno, he may actually be still around, or at least someone using his name seems to have checked out the local copy of the Necronomicon from the local library. Tracking the book down could provide a catalyst, abet one that you may be reluctant to use.
Lambert Adler and Ralf Blumenthal, two warriors in Ancient Belka. Lambert is said to have single-handedly killed a hundred men of Blumenthal's after the death of his wife, going into a berserk rage. Later, when his castle was under siege, Ralf disguised himself as a woman to be 'rescued' from his own dungeons, later tricking Adler into drinking from a goblet that 'she' had poisoned. The Lamthal Goblet likely waits somewhere in the ruins of a museum that the Cross has destroyed.
Wendel Steube was a man who, stripped of his Intelligent Device, crafted a spear from stone and used it to kill a dozen mages over the course of a dozen nights, all without any magic use of Staeube. It is possible that the spearhead survived the many years since then.
Eleonore Kruger was a swordswoman who commanded a mighty ship of loyal crewmates, despite the fact that there seemed to be a high fatality rate under her. She and the crew of the Jung traveled far and wide among the stars, exploring new worlds on the way home to their own after an experiment with some Lost Logia placed the Jung on the far side of the galaxy. What was assumed to be the nameplate was spotted in a museum back on Mid-Childa, but no one knows whether or not it is the actual thing.
Getting use of any of these artifacts requires not only TSAB support, but also payment in 1 Resource's worth of mundane Earth Weapons. Of note is that almost none of them are known on Earth, so they likely would suffer a drop in power. The only one that Yuuno would suggest is the Shroud of the Saint King, and even using that could cause its own problems.
You will be able to make modifications to the summoning ritual to try for a certain class, but it would likely depend on a number of factors to get the results you want. Some of those factors will be out of your control.
That would work, yes. I was just going to have him do a little quick research at the local library, and then decide to grab a catalyst he discovered in the hope that he could at least deprive others of it.
You can also use whatever you have on hand as a catalyst, from someone's living body to a random stone to a pair of sisscors. However, results would likely be a big surprise, from a random Servant to a weak Servant that matches the catalyst for some reason.
Of the listed Catalyst so far, Sessho-seki, you would be able to attain for free with a War Focus (just wait until everyone nearby is looking away at night, take a piece, and then hypnotize anyone that you missed to make sure you aren't remembered); there would be no resource cost since it is easily obtained in Japan.
An Azoth Sword is also easily obtained, having no resourse cost for it.
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- Pronouns
- Tuan/Mahakuasa/Abah
Now this Con I have to contest. It was actually written that he is also expert at homunculi, so the cons is actually a pros.
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We care about preventing more grail wars from occurring, and doing that pretty much requires essentially winning.
Also, regardless of what we want to accomplish in the grail war, we NEED an absurdly powerful Servant in order to survive. Don't forget that there's almost certainly going to be one or more Servants under the control of the Einzbern-Testarossa alliance. Remember, Precia by herself is capable of launching lightning spells powerful enough to disable a TSAB spaceship that's in another dimension, although doing so is very bad for her health.
When dealing with the team of Precia Testarossa and the Einzberns, its probably a good idea to throw "capable of holding off most Servants" out the window as not strong enough.
Also, good to know that we at least have a really good fall back option of catalyst if we can't figure out a good way to summon something better than Tamamo for a reasonable cost.
Does that drop in power mean that even if summoned as Rider, its impossible for Olive to gain the Saint's Cradle as a Noble Phantasm?
I meant more in terms of if its even possible to obtain the Saver class, since it only appears in Fate/Extra's Moon Cell and has an inherently OP Class Skill. There's no IC way for anyone to know it even exists, hence the bullshitting.
By lack of IC knowledge, I meant heroes not native to the Nasuverse, such as Link and Olivie.
Frakir's brother
Goodbye.
- Location
- The Sea of Trees
What about a branch from the top of mount hourai?
reborn214
Deep in thought
- Location
- California
Mount hourai is not a real mountain, or you can not find it on Google Maps at least, locating it would require an immense search.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Penglai
Various theories have been offered over the years as to the "real" location of these places, including Japan, Jejudo south of the Korean Peninsula, and Taiwan. Penglai, Shandong exists, but its claimed connection is as the site of departures for those leaving for the island rather than the island itself.
While there are theories there is no solid evidence on which mountain is Hourai.
Frakir's brother
Goodbye.
- Location
- The Sea of Trees
We don't need victory, what we need is to heal Illya, then destroy the Grail. Destroying the Grail should take out most enemy servants, and I don't think that enemy humans could take on any servant. If the prana cost was shared between the adults, and practicing children, we could support one servant indefinitely, and I expect to be able to figure out a way to manifest t the servant completely after the Grail war ends. Ideally, we would get dual class caster assassin, then assassin with skill in magecraft. Like Medea, Kaguya-hime, or any other number of heroes.
Frakir's brother
Goodbye.
- Location
- The Sea of Trees
Well that sucks. Hmmmm, set up a ritual circle with a rat's fur, swallow's nest, clay bowl, jewel, and branch maybe?
That's not what I was saying. We need to function under the assumption that our enemies have more resources than us.
Under that assumption, it is highly unlikely that we can get enough time to help Illya unless all the other Servants are busy, and attempting to destroy the Greater Grail will likely make many of the other teams band together to eliminate us. Destroying the Greater Grail before the end of the war also requires getting a Servant who doesn't actually want the grail for themself.
Considering that canonically, Waver is one of the two leaders of the project that dismantles the Greater Grail, it stands to reason that it should be possible to form an alliance with him and Iskandar to destroy the grail. The problem is, that still leaves at least 5 Servants unaccounted for.
tldr, we can't safely destroy the grail or heal Illya until the combined strength of our team is greater than or equal to the combined strength of all the teams who want the grail. The difference between that condition and winning the war is almost academic.
reborn214
Deep in thought
- Location
- California
Why don't we summon Chiron? Trainer of heroes,
Here is a list of heroes he has trained
Here is a list of heroes he has trained
- Asclepius - The great healing power of Asclepius is based on Chiron's teaching. Artemis killed Asclepius' mother Coronis on Apollo's orders while still pregnant after she had an affair, he snatched the child from the pyre bringing him to Chiron who reared him and taught him the arts of healing and hunting.
- Achilles - When Achilles' mother Thetis left home and returned to the Nereids, Peleus brought his son Achilles to Chiron, who received him as a disciple, and fed him on the innards of lions and wild swine, and the marrow of she-wolves.
- Heracles - Some versions of Greek mythology state that Heracles was trained by Chiron.
Hmm, possibly worth a shot, but if she doesn't have a fix for Ilya we'd need to win the War for the Heaven's Feel and the lack of fame debuff would be bad on a power-type Servant in a Caster chassis
...but not this guy.
Ok, good, that helps.
Final personal decision on who to research for summoning(we'd probably take an action next year to get the relic I think?):
Paracelsus - He most likely has a solution to Ilya's problem, though there's not a whole lot of info on him.
Taiyi Zhenren - Very likely to have a solution to the problem, and ALSO sort of an expert on the Third Magic(since that's what he did to revive Nezha). Main complication is he might be too badass.
King Solomon the Wise - While he doesn't have a direct solution in his legend, he's absolutely the man with all the solutions in his legend.
[X] The Ideal Master
-[X] The Ideal Master: Maiya
--[X] Target Master: Yuuno Scrya
---[X] Frame it in terms of the Jewel Seeds. This is an immensely dangerous store of power that claims to grant a wish, but can only unleash utter destruction. This is more or less what he got our children to do for him back during the Jewel Seed Incident, except this time, defensive ability counts for more than offense, and theres none better for defensive power than he does, while his archaeological skill makes him more able to assess if a catalyst is effective or a dud. Everyone would back him up of course. Tell him our own motivations for joining the War, to summon a Caster with the skills to undo the damage that the Jewel Seed embedding had done to Shirou and Rin, as well as help with Ilya's...biological issues.
[X] Catalyst Research
-[X] Catalyst Research: Kiritsugu
--[X] Hero Research: Taiyi Zhenren
--[X] Hero Research: Paracelsus
--[X] Hero Research: King Solomon the Wise
[X] The Changed Uminari
- [X] The Changed Uminari: Kiritsugu
[X] Irisviel: Reality Marble?
[X] Irisviel: Mangaka
[X] Maiya: Illegal Immigrants
@Random Tale
We have 5 more years of prep to the War's start right? IIRC it starts 10 years after the Great Fire of Fuyuki, but I could be wrong.
- Pronouns
- Tuan/Mahakuasa/Abah
Well, to be detailed, he was described as THE father of both Modern Alchemy and Homunculus system. With a side dish as only an expert at restoration/healing magic, and pretty much suspected as a quite talented magus himself.
No, precious update says it's happening early. It's THIS YEAR. We also know that Waver has already resummoned Iskandar.
Frakir's brother
Goodbye.
- Location
- The Sea of Trees
I'm telling you, Kaguya-hime is the way to go.
Class: Caster
True Name: Kaguya-hime
Other Classes: Assassin
Spoiler: Appearance
Parameters:
Strength: C
Endurance: A+
Agility: C
Mana: A
Luck: B
Noble Phantasm: EX
Class Skills:
Marble Phantasm: EX
A special version of Territory Creation possessed by Caster. At this Rank, Caster can alter reality to create any effect that would naturally occur on Gaia.
Item Construction: D
Capable of growing gold within bamboo trees.
Personal Skills:
True Ancestor: A+
Although she was raised by humans, Caster is, fundamentally, a nature spirit known as a True Ancestor, the progenitors of all vampires on Earth. As with all True Ancestors, Caster is a copy of Type-Moon with a body and mind modeled after that of a human. All True Ancestors possess power beyond human comprehension from the moment they are born. There are few who can match them in terms of strength, speed and endurance. However, within the constraints of the Grail War, Caster is only able to use this Skill to boost her Strength, Endurance, and Agility when she is fighting a Servant that has a higher Rank in any of those stats. In the case of her Endurance, Caster instead receives an extra "+."Caster can also not only regenerate most wounds rapidly, but even re-form her body completely after taking damage, even though it takes the majority of her power to do so.This Skill is unusable within a Reality Marble.Mystic Eyes of Enchantment: B
The eyes possessed by mostvampires, capable of high-level hypnosis. Classified as Gold under theNoble Colors system. Caster is capable of simulating the effects of a weak Command Spell on Servants. However, Servants with B Rank Magic Resistance and above are immune to the effects of Caster's Mystic Eyes.However, Caster has extreme distaste for her Mystic Eyes, so will never use them unless someone she loves is threatened, or if she is forced with a Command Seal.Charisma: A+
Cursed with ethereal beauty, Caster was sought after by countless suitors in her lifetime, including the Emperor of Japan. She grew to resent her beauty, as it made normal interaction with men impossible as all only saw her impossible beauty. All men who gaze upon her grow infatuated with her simply by her presence, and will do anything to make her theirs. Effects are reduced considerably at C Rank Magic Resistance, and completely disappear at B Rank Magic Resistance. Additionally, magi can drastically reduce the effects on themselves by constantly circulating prana through their circuits while gazing upon her.Mikado's Sorrow: C
When Caster joined the rest of the True Ancestor population, Emperor Mikado of Japan, a dear friend of Caster, traveled to the highest mountain in all of Japan, and burnt a letter to Caster, in the hopes that it would reach her.
The farther away from the Moon Caster is, the less potent her powers as a True Ancestor are, as she is assaulted with memories of her life amongst humans. During the daytime, the higher up she is, the weaker she becomes. During the night, the opposite is true; the lower in elevation she is, the weaker she becomes. At sea level, her True Ancestor abilities function normally.
Noble Phantasm:
The Lunar Grove, Flight of the Bamboo Cutter's Daughter: EX
Anti-Vampire (Self)/Reality Marble
This Reality Marble is a separate existence from her True Ancestor powers. As such, while within, she cannot use the "True Ancestor" Skill.She and her enemies are pulled into a lunar bamboo grove lit by the dim light of the Earth, hanging far above. Within, all of Caster's Parameters are boosted by two Ranks, to a maximum of A, while her enemies suffer a Rank Down in every Parameter.The crystallization of Caster's life and sorrow. A complete rejection of the True Ancestor side of herself, while within Caster is entirely human, reflecting her wish to live amongst humans once more
Class: Caster
True Name: Kaguya-hime
Other Classes: Assassin
Spoiler: Appearance
Parameters:
Strength: C
Endurance: A+
Agility: C
Mana: A
Luck: B
Noble Phantasm: EX
Class Skills:
Marble Phantasm: EX
A special version of Territory Creation possessed by Caster. At this Rank, Caster can alter reality to create any effect that would naturally occur on Gaia.
Item Construction: D
Capable of growing gold within bamboo trees.
Personal Skills:
True Ancestor: A+
Although she was raised by humans, Caster is, fundamentally, a nature spirit known as a True Ancestor, the progenitors of all vampires on Earth. As with all True Ancestors, Caster is a copy of Type-Moon with a body and mind modeled after that of a human. All True Ancestors possess power beyond human comprehension from the moment they are born. There are few who can match them in terms of strength, speed and endurance. However, within the constraints of the Grail War, Caster is only able to use this Skill to boost her Strength, Endurance, and Agility when she is fighting a Servant that has a higher Rank in any of those stats. In the case of her Endurance, Caster instead receives an extra "+."Caster can also not only regenerate most wounds rapidly, but even re-form her body completely after taking damage, even though it takes the majority of her power to do so.This Skill is unusable within a Reality Marble.Mystic Eyes of Enchantment: B
The eyes possessed by mostvampires, capable of high-level hypnosis. Classified as Gold under theNoble Colors system. Caster is capable of simulating the effects of a weak Command Spell on Servants. However, Servants with B Rank Magic Resistance and above are immune to the effects of Caster's Mystic Eyes.However, Caster has extreme distaste for her Mystic Eyes, so will never use them unless someone she loves is threatened, or if she is forced with a Command Seal.Charisma: A+
Cursed with ethereal beauty, Caster was sought after by countless suitors in her lifetime, including the Emperor of Japan. She grew to resent her beauty, as it made normal interaction with men impossible as all only saw her impossible beauty. All men who gaze upon her grow infatuated with her simply by her presence, and will do anything to make her theirs. Effects are reduced considerably at C Rank Magic Resistance, and completely disappear at B Rank Magic Resistance. Additionally, magi can drastically reduce the effects on themselves by constantly circulating prana through their circuits while gazing upon her.Mikado's Sorrow: C
When Caster joined the rest of the True Ancestor population, Emperor Mikado of Japan, a dear friend of Caster, traveled to the highest mountain in all of Japan, and burnt a letter to Caster, in the hopes that it would reach her.
The farther away from the Moon Caster is, the less potent her powers as a True Ancestor are, as she is assaulted with memories of her life amongst humans. During the daytime, the higher up she is, the weaker she becomes. During the night, the opposite is true; the lower in elevation she is, the weaker she becomes. At sea level, her True Ancestor abilities function normally.
Noble Phantasm:
The Lunar Grove, Flight of the Bamboo Cutter's Daughter: EX
Anti-Vampire (Self)/Reality Marble
This Reality Marble is a separate existence from her True Ancestor powers. As such, while within, she cannot use the "True Ancestor" Skill.She and her enemies are pulled into a lunar bamboo grove lit by the dim light of the Earth, hanging far above. Within, all of Caster's Parameters are boosted by two Ranks, to a maximum of A, while her enemies suffer a Rank Down in every Parameter.The crystallization of Caster's life and sorrow. A complete rejection of the True Ancestor side of herself, while within Caster is entirely human, reflecting her wish to live amongst humans once more
Random Tale
The Story-Bound
The war will happen next January, the very beginning of Year 6, five years after the previous war (which was just before Year 1). You have one year to prepare; as soon as Year 5 is done, we'll skip the focuses of the adults and go to the War, before finding out the results and then going back to the yearly turns.
Also, Catalyst Research does NOT actually give you the catalyst to use; it locates possibilities for them and identifies if they have been grabbed or not (and, in the case they have been grabbed, who grabbed them). It also serves as a shortcut so that you don't have to identify a catalyst to grab for Catalyst Hunt, just who you are after a catalyst for.
In example, if you listed 'Tamamo-no-mae' as a targetted Hero to research a Catalyst for, I would point out a few potential Catalysts for her summoning, and then note whether anyone else has grabbed them (and, if someone did, who they were).
Ah, hmm. Change of plans needed then.
[X] Catalyst Research
-[X] Catalyst Research: Irisviel
--[X] Hero Research: Taiyi Zhenren
--[X] Hero Research: Paracelsus
--[X] Hero Research: King Solomon the Wise
[X] Catalyst Hunt
-[X] Catalyst Hunt: Kiritsugu
--[X] Taiyi Zhenren
[X] The Changed Uminari
- [X] The Changed Uminari: Kiritsugu
[X] Irisviel: Mangaka
[X] Maiya: Illegal Immigrants
Since there's little time, I put off the Reality Marble research and just picked Taiyi Zhenren.
He's qualified to both fix the Grail and Ilya, as well as being a mentor character like Chiron and also pretty high up on the scale of badasses.
@Random Tale
In the event that the target of the catalyst hunt cannot be found, would it default to one of the other researched Heroes?
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- Pronouns
- Tuan/Mahakuasa/Abah
Yeah, kaguya home is powerful, but it doesn't guarantee winning the war.
@veekie has a good point of what servant we should take, though I'm partial to Paracelcus.
Paracelcus is an expert of modern homunculi, he is the most likely to
has a chance of successfully curing Illya.
I don't think Taiyi Zhenren has expertise in this matter, to be honest.
@veekie has a good point of what servant we should take, though I'm partial to Paracelcus.
Paracelcus is an expert of modern homunculi, he is the most likely to
has a chance of successfully curing Illya.
I don't think Taiyi Zhenren has expertise in this matter, to be honest.
Random Tale
The Story-Bound
I suppose I could allow that. If you can't locate a certain catalyst for a certain hero and the vote is to go out to get that hero's catalyst, I'll automatically put you to try to retrieve the next hero's catalyst. If you can't find any catalyst for any of the three heroes, I'll give a quick update so you can decide what to do with the action that would be wasted otherwise.
Also, you may have forgotten Maiya's War Preparation activity in your latest vote.
He made his own demigod homunculus from his student by transferring the soul over.
He can be considered an expert at either fixing Ilya or else moving her to a new, non-defective body.
He already died in the flesh. Taoist immortals ascend by imbibing an elixer and shedding their mortal body, which is more or less what happens to Heracles and Medea on their own ascensions. And if it didn't work I got two backups.
[X] Catalyst Research
-[X] Catalyst Research: Irisviel
--[X] Hero Research: Taiyi Zhenren
--[X] Hero Research: Paracelsus
--[X] Hero Research: King Solomon the Wise
[X] Catalyst Hunt
-[X] Catalyst Hunt: Kiritsugu
--[X] Taiyi Zhenren
[X] The Changed Uminari
- [X] The Changed Uminari: Kiritsugu
[X] Irisviel: Mangaka
[X] Irisviel: War Preperations
[X] Maiya: Illegal Immigrants
-[X] Catalyst Research: Irisviel
--[X] Hero Research: Taiyi Zhenren
--[X] Hero Research: Paracelsus
--[X] Hero Research: King Solomon the Wise
[X] Catalyst Hunt
-[X] Catalyst Hunt: Kiritsugu
--[X] Taiyi Zhenren
[X] The Changed Uminari
- [X] The Changed Uminari: Kiritsugu
[X] Irisviel: Mangaka
[X] Irisviel: War Preperations
[X] Maiya: Illegal Immigrants
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That's not a valid vote.
Previous vote decided that Kiritsugu gets 2 war actions, Maiya gets 1,and Irisviel gets 0.
You gave Irisviel a war action and you only gave Maiya one action.
That's my bad.
[X] Catalyst Research
-[X] Catalyst Research: Irisviel
--[X] Hero Research: Taiyi Zhenren
--[X] Hero Research: Paracelsus
--[X] Hero Research: King Solomon the Wise
[X] Catalyst Hunt
-[X] Catalyst Hunt: Kiritsugu
--[X] Taiyi Zhenren
[X] The Changed Uminari
- [X] The Changed Uminari: Kiritsugu
[X] Irisviel: Mangaka
[X] Irisviel: War Preperations
[X] Maiya: Illegal Immigrants
Fixed version by adding a war action for Irisviel. We originally picked 1 war action for Kiritsugu and Maiya, then none for Iri. Adding one for Iri should fix that.
[X] Catalyst Research
-[X] Catalyst Research: Irisviel
--[X] Hero Research: Taiyi Zhenren
--[X] Hero Research: Paracelsus
--[X] Hero Research: King Solomon the Wise
[X] Catalyst Hunt
-[X] Catalyst Hunt: Kiritsugu
--[X] Taiyi Zhenren
[X] The Changed Uminari
- [X] The Changed Uminari: Kiritsugu
[X] Irisviel: Mangaka
[X] Irisviel: War Preperations
[X] Maiya: Illegal Immigrants
Fixed version by adding a war action for Irisviel. We originally picked 1 war action for Kiritsugu and Maiya, then none for Iri. Adding one for Iri should fix that.
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