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veekie said:
There might be a solution in Belka/Mid-Childa though. Vivio, Einhart and the Belkan Inheritors had a lot of ageup magic(and Rio developed her own brand of ageup magic by overclocking Reinforcement). Maybe a catalyst for a Nanoha series character might be able to do it.
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Only figure from over there that I could see as potentially summonable would be Sankt Kaiser Olivie Sagebrecht, especially due to how common summoning Saber ripoffs seems to be. She's both a Saber expy and said to be one of the most powerful combat mages in history. She might work though, since her clone does get that age up magic as an inherent ability.

As far as catalyst, we could maybe borrow that piece of cloth from which Jail took remnants of her blood in order to create the clone known as Vivio.
 
Well, I only managed to get Paracelcus from the list of 'canon' Servant on Fate.

The Founder of Modern alchemy and Homunculi expert. From Wikipedia description, it was said he was Stubborn and Independent.

I haven't read Fate/Prototype: Fragments of Blue and Silver.
 
Merlin
Pros: Merlin.
Cons: Merlin. Easily confused with other Arthurians. Still alive somewhere by legend

Morganna
Pros: Known Homunculus creator. Definitely able to solve the problem.
Cons: Evil, incestous witch.

Paracelsus
Pros: Expert alchemist, relatively recent means that his abilities are more or less compatible with regular Magecraft
Cons: Relatively recent, less OP power. Unproven ability to manipulate homunculi

Aleister Crowley
Pros: The defining character of the transition to modern magecraft, mastery of many fields of magecraft, compatibility high with modern magecraft
Cons: Relatively recent, so less power. Extremely lewd and should not be allowed around impressionable children. Unproven ability to manipulate homunculi

King Solomon the Wise
Pros: The Original Angel Summoner. Has access to a wide variety of angels and spirits who can do anything he can't, or learn of anything he doesn't know. Age of the Gods. Not evil or of dubious morals.
Cons: Likely to be extremely arrogant and difficult to work with. Unproven ability to manipulate homunculi

Dr Frankenstein
Pros: Known creation of one 'homunculus'.
Cons: May be crazy. Frankenstein process is unaccceptable.

Hua Tuo
Pros: Wonder healer. Almost certainly able to fix the problem through medicine. Clear benign nature.
Cons: Not a combatant by any standard, which is it's own bane in a Grail War.

Circe
Pros: Expert in Age of the Gods magic(and thus able to do broad sweeping effects), known proficiency with transformation magic. Potential comedy with Ferret-boy who can shapeshift under his own power
Cons: Dubious morality.

Judah Loew ben Bezalel
Pros: Carries the wisdom of God, and great skill in construction. Likely able to expedite the puppet body solution. Probably not evil.
Cons: Loosely defined abilities, may not be of any help.

Taiyi Zhenren(more commonly known as Nezha's teacher)
Pros: Known creator of a homunculus(Nezha), migrating the soul to the new body successfully. High Divinity. Good aligned. Has many Noble Phantasms he bestows upon his student. Strong at combat, with many legendary feats.
Cons: Ascended deity in the same vein as Medea and Heracles. May be difficult to obtain a suitable focus and likely to have a monstrous mana cost. Likely to be difficult to control and not very friendly to Kiritsugu if we have to interact much.

Pygmalion
Pros: Known creator of a homunculus.
Cons: Practically no other information

Daedalus/Leonardo da Vinci
Pros: Genius inventor who had created golems/homunculi through pure skill. Likely able to find a solution even if he doesn't come with one.
Cons: Not a fighter by any standards. May not actually be a mage.

Midas
Pros: You know that impossibly expensive puppet body? Yeah, buy it.
Cons: Not directly useful otherwise.

Sankt Kaiser Olivie
Pros: Known source of age up magic. Is a Saber Clone(and thus 500% more likely to be summoned successfully). Is basically Arthuria in Caster form. May luck into getting Jeremiah instead.
Cons: Primarily a warrior, age up magic is something we could survey the Mid Childan refugees for the mechanism to see if we got any Inheritors. Catalyst hard to obtain. Belkan church members may object to the summoning of mage Jesus.

Unknown author of Book of Darkness
Pros: Certain to be a genius mage of some sort.
Cons: Do we want to reenact Angra Mainyu if it locks onto the wrong target?

Unknown creator of the Jewel Seeds
Pros: From Alhazard, home of mad magic science.
Cons: From Alhazard, home of mad magic science.

Any other ideas?
I'm favoring King Solomon and Taiyi Zhenren.

Wait.
Yuuno is an archeologist. Why not ask him to suggest a third from his knowledge?
 
veekie said:
Merlin
Pros: Merlin.
Cons: Merlin. Easily confused with other Arthurians. Still alive somewhere by legend
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Cons: One of the recent LNs, probably Garden of Avalon, revealed that he never actually died, which means that he never reached the Throne of Heroes, and is thus impossible to summon.

Also, in Garden of Avalon, Merlin refers to Solomon as the King of Magecraft and reveals that his death began the transition from the Age of Gods to the Age of Man.
 
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That's in the cons I wrote. His legend was that he was sealed away, not dead.

What about asking Yuuno if he has any relics that may be relevant?
 
I just had an idea , why we don't try summoning Enkidu ? I mean , yes ,except for the fact that he is something like an homunculus he doesn't realy have any qualifications dor helping Ilya ,but you have to remenber two things : first he is the only equal to Gilgamesh so theres a good chance of him being able to bulshit some solution and if that doen't work he can always ask Gilgamesh himself , who is guaranted to help is Enkidu asks and surely has a solution by virtue of possesing everything worth owing , as a bonus summoning him means we don't have to fear death by Gilgamesh
 
One crazy idea would be to try and use Hayate as a catalyst to summon Reinforce as Caster. Permanent destruction of the Book of Darkness means that it's technically possible. Unfortunately, we don't have any IC knowledge of Reinforce's existence.
 
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Before you guys go any further, let's list down possible Caster candidates that we want, as what veekie suggested


Edit: Never mind. Didn't see that he already made one, let's just continue it
 
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Do you think we could bullshit our way into summoning Olive in the Saver class? Considering that she's basically the messianic figure of an interdimensional religion, she undoubtedly qualifies.
 
veekie said:
That's in the cons I wrote. His legend was that he was sealed away, not dead.

What about asking Yuuno if he has any relics that may be relevant?
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Actually, the Throne of Heroes is outside of time and space. After all, Archer was summoned while Shirou was alive; being alive doesn't disqualify you for being in the Throne, unless you never actually die until after the rest of humanity is already extinct.

Also, according to the wiki, Paracelsus was summoned in Fate/Prototype and showed proficiency with homunculi.
 
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will408914 said:
Actually, the Throne of Heroes is outside of time and space. After all, Archer was summoned while Shirou was alive; being alive doesn't disqualify you for being in the Throne, unless you never actually die until after the rest of humanity is already extinct.

Also, according to the wiki, Paracelsus was summoned in Fate/Prototype and showed proficiency with homunculi.
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The difference is that Archer can be summoned because Shirou will die in the future, Merlin can't be summoned because he hasn't died and won't die in the future.

Yes, the Throne exists outside the flow of time, but that still means that in order to reach the Throne you need to die at some point in time.

Paracelsus sounds cool and all, but we probably wouldn't get along very well with him and he doesn't seem bullshit enough to survive in a grail war that's been powered up by crossover elements.

Honestly, our best bets so far in terms of the combination of combat ability, body manipulation, and getting along with us are probably either Sankt Kaiser Olivie or Link. Link depends greatly though on if it's a specific Link or a Composite Character of all of them.

Getting a good catalyst is difficult though.

@Random Tale
How will it work if we think of a good catalyst, but Kiritsugu doesn't have any IC knowledge of that catalyst or hero, but we also write in a way to possibly find out about it IC?
 
How about Kaguya-hime? She has elixir of life, gold in bamboo stalks, and the five treasures. A Nasuverse version would probably be a true ancestor as well.
 
justinkal said:
The difference is that Archer can be summoned because Shirou will die in the future, Merlin can't be summoned because he hasn't died and won't die in the future.

Yes, the Throne exists outside the flow of time, but that still means that in order to reach the Throne you need to die at some point in time.

Paracelsus sounds cool and all, but we probably wouldn't get along very well with him and he doesn't seem bullshit enough to survive in a grail war that's been powered up by crossover elements.

Honestly, our best bets so far in terms of the combination of combat ability, body manipulation, and getting along with us are probably either Sankt Kaiser Olivie or Link. Link depends greatly though on if it's a specific Link or a Composite Character of all of them.

Getting a good catalyst is difficult though.

@Random Tale
How will it work if we think of a good catalyst, but Kiritsugu doesn't have any IC knowledge of that catalyst or hero, but we also write in a way to possibly find out about it IC?
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Why Link? You're talking about the video game character, right? He doesn't have anything to do with homunculi or ageing whatsoever. Also, Paracelsus can make minions; if we can ally with Waver to destroy the Grail, he can provide support for Iskandar.
 
will408914 said:
Why Link? You're talking about the video game character, right? He doesn't have anything to do with homunculi or ageing whatsoever. Also, Paracelsus can make minions; if we can ally with Waver to destroy the Grail, he can provide support for Iskandar.
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I was thinking more in terms of how often Link has changed into a completely different type of being, especially for the Link who is the Hero of Time. Majora's Mask gives so many transformations. That's part of what I meant by it depending on whether its a specific Link or a composite of all of them. Zelda could also be nice, considering the fact that she learned how to use magic to genderflip herself to be Sheik.
 
You know maybe we should summon the creator of the Jewel Seeds, use a Jewel Seed as a Catalyst. If we can probably figure out how to use them all of our troubles vanish. We can wipe out the cross and Gil, cure Illya, and pretty much do anything we want.

Also, I want to see the guy who made this objects. Hell we can command seal his ass to ensure his loyalty if he looks evil.
 
reborn214 said:
You know maybe we should summon the creator of the Jewel Seeds, use a Jewel Seed as a Catalyst. If we can probably figure out how to use them all of our troubles vanish. We can wipe out the cross and Gil, cure Illya, and pretty much do anything we want.

Also, I want to see the guy who made this objects. Hell we can command seal his ass to ensure his loyalty if he looks evil.
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I'd be far more concerned about their sanity than their morality. All the shit that comes from that era is pretty stupidly designed. What kind of lousy engineer creates batteries that contain enough energy to blow up a planet but doesn't include any failsafes?
 
justinkal said:
I'd be far more concerned about their sanity than their morality. All the shit that comes from that era is pretty stupidly designed. What kind of lousy engineer creates batteries that contain enough energy to blow up a planet but doesn't include any failsafes?
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Ah but how do we know that the jewel seeds were not part of a greater system that had the fail safe, and they were never suppose to leave the housing? Kind of like how Uranium rods have no fail safes in the nuclear power plant. The fail safes are in he power plant itself.

Besides with more people we can double check and point at the obvious errors.
 
reborn214 said:
Ah but how do we know that the jewel seeds were not part of a greater system that had the fail safe, and they were never suppose to leave the housing? Kind of like how Uranium rods have no fail safes in the nuclear power plant. The fail safes are in he power plant itself.

Besides with more people we can double check and point at the obvious errors.
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Its still too big a risk. Trying to do something like that puts the result completely at the QMs discretion. Considering how cruel certain things have been, I doubt that would turn out well.

There's just too many unknown factors for it to feel like a good idea.
 
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