EPIC: A Quest of Modern Mythology

[X] Plan to confront the creature?
"STOP! I, Alexandra, daughter of Toyotama, command you so! What are your grievances, creature?"
 
Weird. The wiki article mentions them as house spirits, but this is nothing like the kikimoras I know. Apparently, there was a mythological shift in the mid-to-late XX century, that has the house functions of a kikimora taken by the domovoi almost entirely. The popular culture of the XX century (I suppose the Witcher series would be the most recognizable) portrays kikimoras exclusively as wild spirits/creatures of the forest and/or swamp, lumping them together with leshiys and water hags.

I wonder if human perception has any effect on the spirits in the setting.
 
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Weird. The wiki article mentions them as house spirits, but this is nothing like the kikimoras I know. Apparently, there was a mythological shift in the mid-to-late XX century, that has the house functions of a kikimora taken by the domovoi almost entirely. The popular culture of the XX century (I suppose the Witcher series would be the most recognizable) portrays kikimoras almost exclusively as wild spirits/creatures of the forest and/or swamp, lumping them together with leshiys and water hags.
Well, according to lore there are two types of kikimora: the ones from the forest who marry Domovoi, and the ones from the swamp who marry Leshiye. That still doesn't explain why the Witcher series decided a kikimora should look like this though:


How they got "horrible giant bug monster" out of a house spirit that's basically a cross between a scarecrow, a mouse, and a chicken, I have no idea.
 
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[X] "Stop right there, criminal scum!"
-[X] Increase your Legend? (N)
-[X] Divine Power? (1)
-[X] Grab it before it causes harm.
-[X] "Alright, why don't you calm down so we could talk like civilized people?"
 
Well, according to lore there are two types of kikimora: the ones from the forest who marry Domovoi, and the ones from the swamp who marry Leshiye. That still doesn't explain why the Witcher series decided a kikimora should look like this though:
That's the thing, kikimoras were never well-defined in folklore, and their image always overlapped with a number of creatures. The wiki article tries to make sense of this by marrying them to other, better known spirits (and indeed, these interpretations exist too), but different areas have kikimora known as a mermaid sibling (sister or mother), mare/nocnitsa, a damned soul of a child that died unbaptized or a mother who died during childbirth etc.

The traditional depictions of them as house spirits have died down to the point I was not even aware they existed until I looked it up. If you stop a person on a street and ask them what a kikimora is, few would think of a house spirit and most would think of a swamp hag who only comes close to human settlements to steal children or otherwise do harm.

As for how the Witcher turned it into a spider, well... there is a recently discovered bog spider (Kikimora palustris) that was named after it in 1988. Since the only detailed description of a kikimora as a spider-like creature by Sapkowski occurs in "Lesser Evil" (written in 1990), these two instances may or may not be connected.

Edit: now that I think of it, some sources link the image of a kikimora to Mokosh, the pagan goddess of women's destiny and spinning/weaving among other things. So there's another link, I suppose.
 
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That's the thing, kikimoras were never well-defined in folklore, and their image always overlapped with a number of creatures. The wiki article tries to make sense of this by marrying them to other, better known spirits (and indeed, these interpretations exist too), but different areas have kikimora known as a mermaid sibling (sister or mother), mare/nocnitsa, a damned soul of a child that died unbaptized or a mother who died during childbirth etc.

The traditional depictions of them as house spirits have died down to the point I was not even aware they existed until I looked it up. If you stop a person on a street and ask them what a kikimora is, few would think of a house spirit and most would think of a swamp hag who only comes close to human settlements to steal children or otherwise do harm.

As for how the Witcher turned it into a spider, well... there is a recently discovered bog spider (Kikimora palustris) that was named after it in 1988. Since the only detailed description of a kikimora as a spider-like creature by Sapkowski occurs in "Lesser Evil" (written in 1990), these two instances may or may not be connected.

Edit: now that I think of it, some sources link the image of a kikimora to Mokosh, the pagan goddess of women's destiny and spinning/weaving among other things. So there's another link, I suppose.
Slavic mythology and folklore is problematic that way: they didn't keep written records, and the oral traditions were largely wiped out when the inhabitants of the region converted to Christianity. Most of what we know about it had to be reconstructed from scattered legends using linguistic and comparative analysis (among other techniques). I'll admit to not being an expert on their folklore myself (prior to this quest, I didn't know what a Kikimora was at all) and considering your location, you'd probably know better than I. Slavic traditions and stories are still at least partially alive in certain areas, which is more than can be said for those of Greek, Egyptian, or Norse mythology.

Considering the sheer number of house spirits and evil hags out there, it doesn't surprise me at all that Kikimora currently overlaps with a lot of various other creatures. The extremely limited number of sources I've been able to uncover all seemed to agree that its a rather temperamental house spirit frequently connected to the Domovoi, which is why I went in that direction, but as previously mentioned, with a few exceptions Slavic mythology is a bitch to nail down. If you have any additional sources of information in a language I can read, I'd love to look at them!

As a reward for sharing your insights, however, I'll answer your earlier question regarding mythical creatures and human perception.

Mortal opinions generally do not have any affect on the specific behavior of monsters. Monsters update themselves to remain consistent with the times, but apart from this they are who they've always been and they tend to get very annoyed when people get their facts wrong. At the same time, some details that were retroactively added onto the original legends got added for a reason, often by Heroes who encountered these creatures and wanted to set the record straight.

Mortal culture, however, is far more infectious than their beliefs. As mentioned, the dominant culture of a particular area determines what beings you will encounter there, and existing monsters suffer greatly when these cultures start to change. A large, burly humanoid in a region dominated by Germanic cultures might take the form of a Troll. If Greek culture began moving into the area, however, the Troll would begin to shift into a Cyclops or some other Greek monster that fits the description of 'large aggressive humanoid'. This transformation can take years, and while it is in progress the affected monster acquires a very literal split personality, switching back and forth between its identities at random. The monster's mind is also affected by these painful shifts, and many creatures will do almost anything to stop the process. Unfortunately, the solution they almost always default to is getting rid of the invaders as violently as possible, which often necessitates a Hero stepping in.

To use a more relevant example, if your apartment building were to acquire a sudden influx of Japanese-Americans, the Kikimora currently harassing you would begin to physically and mentally shift into her Shinto equivalent: a Kami. The process would be slow and painful, and she would do everything she could think of to drive the new tenants away so she could go back to normal. Once the transformation is complete, however, she will be 100% Kami and likely not even remember she had ever been anything else.

I was planning on making you find all this out IC, but I did promise intelligent discussion would be rewarded. @Nevill, @Guilop, and @MrGazzer have all outdone themselves finding information about the monster you're currently facing, so consider this your reward!
 
To use a more relevant example, if your apartment building were to acquire a sudden influx of Japanese-Americans, the Kikimora currently harassing you would begin to physically and mentally shift into her Shinto equivalent: a Kami. The process would be slow and painful, and she would do everything she could think of to drive the new tenants away so she could go back to normal. Once the transformation is complete, however, she will be 100% Kami and likely not even remember she had ever been anything else.

I was planning on making you find all this out IC, but I did promise intelligent discussion would be rewarded. @Nevill, @Guilop, and @MrGazzer have all outdone themselves finding information about the monster you're currently facing, so consider this your reward!

Wouldn't the Shinto/Japanese equivalent of a mischievous house spirit be a Zashiki Warashi?

And wow, this whole stuff is pretty shitty for everyone. Even the monsters are screw over here. Do they also revive randomly after a hero kills them? Because that would so suit this shitty world if they cannot even find peace in death.
 
Wouldn't the Shinto/Japanese equivalent of a mischievous house spirit be a Zashiki Warashi?

And wow, this whole stuff is pretty shitty for everyone. Even the monsters are screw over here. Do they also revive randomly after a hero kills them? Because that would so suit this shitty world if they cannot even find peace in death.
Correct, a Zashiki Warashi would be the most direct Shinto equivalent of a Kikimora.

Can't speak for the revival thing one way or another though. You'll have to find that information IC.
 
@Kaelor If someone accomplish his fate does he get assigned another or is he free ?
Is Fate gameable ? I mean to take the example of Oedipus who was Fated to kill his father and marry his mother, could he have changed the name and legal document of a hobo so that legally he was his father and then killed him, and do the same for the mother slot of the prophecy ?
 
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@Kaelor If someone accomplish his fate does he get assigned another or is he free ?
Is Fate gameable ? I mean to take the example of Oedipus who was Fated to kill his father and marry his mother, could he have changed the name and legal document of a hobo so that legally he was his father and then killed him, and do the same for the mother slot of the prophecy ?

And does it have to be a birth mother? I mean, not that killing your father and marrying your stepmother is much better, but...

*waggles eyebrows*
 
And does it have to be a birth mother? I mean, not that killing your father and marrying your stepmother is much better, but...

*waggles eyebrows*
I'm fairly sure it does have to be the birth mother. Pretty sure Oedipus ended up being raised and adopted by some king and his wife after his biological parents left him to die, but it was the biological parents he ended up killing/marrying.
 
@Kaelor If someone accomplish his fate does he get assigned another or is he free ?
Is Fate gameable ? I mean to take the example of Oedipus who was Fated to kill his father and marry his mother, could he have changed the name and legal document of a hobo so that legally he was his father and then killed him, and do the same for the mother slot of the prophecy ?
Well.
"Remember my friend who tried to blow his head off? He was trying to kill himself because he found out his Destiny was to impregnate his sister! Fucked up, right? Well, once he stopped trying to kill himself, he actually got clever about it! She was bisexual, so he played matchmaker, hooked her up with another woman, and when they wanted kids he switched sperm samples on them with no one the wiser!" She frowns as she drives. "Okay, now that I say it that's still pretty fucked up, but considering the alternative was probably him raping her under some mystic mind control, it's still not the worst way that could have turned out!"
The example we were given was significantly less effective at gaming the system than the one you said, but it is possible. He either didn't try or didn't succeed by adopting someone else as his legal sister and then impregnating her, which would be disturbing but much less than what he did end up doing. He did, however, manage to avoid the worst alternative that's the obvious way for his fate to end.
 
@Kaelor If someone accomplish his fate does he get assigned another or is he free ?
Is Fate gameable ? I mean to take the example of Oedipus who was Fated to kill his father and marry his mother, could he have changed the name and legal document of a hobo so that legally he was his father and then killed him, and do the same for the mother slot of the prophecy ?
There are two parts to this, so I'll answer them individually.

A) Once you accomplish your Fate, you are free. Your Legend goes away and Fate stops dropping adventure hooks in your lap. Most Heroes, if they're still alive and sane, tend to retire at this point.

B) Fate is indeed gameable, and doing so is a central point of the Quest. You'll need to be a bit cleverer than just changing the names on a few documents though. Fate could care less about paperwork. As I related in an earlier post:

Fates can never be outright prevented, but they can be twisted to come about differently. "Kill your father" can mean kill your biological father, kill your step-father, kill your father-in-law, or even kill your Catholic priest. So long as you have enough of a bond with this man that the universe agrees he is 'your father', your Destiny will be satisfied. Of course, guess wrong and not only will Destiny not be satisfied but you'll have just killed an innocent man for no reason. As mentioned, Fate doesn't like it when people try to yank it around.




[X] Stop right there, criminal scum!
-[X] Grab it before it causes harm.
--[X] Alright, why don't you calm down so we could talk like civilized people?
-[X] Increase your Legend? (N)
-[X] Divine Power? (1)


Rolls now commencing...
Kaelor threw 1 6-faced dice. Reason: Legend Total: 6
6 6
Kaelor threw 3 6-faced dice. Reason: Mortality Total: 7
2 2 2 2 3 3
Kaelor threw 1 6-faced dice. Reason: Divine Total: 3
3 3
Kaelor threw 4 6-faced dice. Reason: PAIN Total: 9
1 1 2 2 3 3 3 3
 
Are the children of Demigods also Demigods.

Also does losing your Legend mean losing your powers or just being stuck with the current ranking?
 
Bump In The Night
[X] Stop right there, criminal scum!
-[X] Grab it before it causes harm.
--[X] Alright, why don't you calm down so we could talk like civilized people?
-[X] Increase your Legend? (N)
-[X] Divine Power? (1)


LEGEND has dominated. Your Legend has increased!



By the time the creature has started reaching into your computer, you are out of bed and moving. You cross the room in a flash, diving toward the thing in a tackle that will take full advantage of your superior size. You were a super-human badass with the combat skills of a commando, it was spindly little saboteur whose idea of a dire punishment was apparently to just make noise so you'd have trouble sleeping. You're pretty sure even a normal human would be able to handle something as weak as this.

You've never been more wrong.

The thing's big round eyes see you coming a fraction of a second before you hit, and that's apparently all the time it needs. It leaps into the air so fast that it's nothing but a blur, and your face smashes heavily into floor. You roll to your feet in a move that would have made Jackie Chan proud, only to find the creature is already blazing for the door.

"Stop it!" you command, Power flowing up from inside you. A spray of black toxins splashes against the frame of the door just before the creature can reach it as your Mizuchi is roused from its slumber, fangs bared and scales shimmering. The sudden attack drives the tiny intruder away from its escape route, and it instead changes course to dive toward your window.

You intercept this move as well, getting between it and the window and attempting to grab it as it comes close. Again you fail, your hands closing on nothing but air as it jumps into your face and delivers several painful slashes with its spurred feet.

"Agh! Damn it!" you curse, swatting the creature away with a backhand. For all its apparent frailty, it rolls with the hit and comes up on its feet, apparently no worse for wear. It glances toward the door again, only to find your dragon there with its claws ready. It looks to the window, but to get there it will have to go through you. Finally, its eyes come to rest on the open case of your computer, and it dashes for the exposed wires with its fingers outstretched.

You throw yourself forward to stop it, and the thing literally jumps over your head to make a run for the unguarded window. Another spray of poison forces it to roll to the side, right into your waiting grasp. Your hands lock around its spindly arms as you hold it at arms length so it can't slash you with its feet. It glares spitefully at you and viciously jabs its beak into your arm, but you only tighten your grip in response, causing it to squeak in pain.

"Now," you say to the creature in a dark tone. "Why don't you calm down so we can discuss this like civilized people?"

"Civilized! Civilized!" it shrieks at you, wriggling in anger. "Looklooklook! Talk not to me of civilized when you leave nothing but chaos!"

"You're mad at me...because I'm messy?" you ask, making sure you heard right.

"Yes. I'm afraid you'll have to forgive my wife," says a harsh, hollow voice from behind you. "I suppose you could say she's a bit OCD."


Without releasing your grip on your prisoner, you turn to see bearded, hairy creature barely larger than the thing in your hands sitting calmly on the side of your desk. Its eyes are huge and catlike, and its nails are sharp claws.

"Who are you?"

"I do not have a name. I am a domovoi, guardian spirit of this dwelling," it explains. "The woman you currently hold captive is a kikimora, and more importantly, my wife. I would consider it a kindness if you would release her."

"I will if she promises not to break my stuff," you state firmly.

"It is no less than you deserve, filthy creature!" curses the kikimora angrily. "Mess, mess, everywhere!"

"I'm a generous guy, so I'll give you one chance to take that back," rumbles your dragon threateningly, slithering toward her threateningly. "But insult the daughter of Toyotama-hime again and I'll rip out your guts with my teeth."

Both the domovoi and the kikimora's unnatural eyes widen at this, and the feisty spirit stops struggling.

"Apologies, bogatyr, we did not know who you were," says the domovoi, bowing low. His wife does likewise in your arms, though you still get the impression that she is furious with you. "Had we been aware of your identity, we would have sought an audience to air our grievances. Please forgive us."

"Considering I only recently realized myself, I can't really blame you," you concede. The two look sufficiently cowed that you doubt they'll try anything else, so you gently set the kikimora down beside her husband. His hand strokes one of her spindly arms comfortingly and she trills so softly you barely hear it before they both turn back to you. You pickup your chair from where it had been knocked over in the brief struggle and sit down across from them. "Now, about these grievances."

"Indeed," states the hairy creature. "You have shown us much disrespect during the months you have stayed here, bogatyr. You have left us no gifts to reward us for our labors, and you continually leave your lodgings in a most slovenly state."

"Others, maybe we forgive! Husband's heart is soft, like beard!" chirps the kikimora, poking the domovoi playfully in the chest before hanging her head sadly. "Too few, too few who remember the old ways. We have received no gifts, not for many years. But you, you are of the Divine! No excuse for you!"

Her eyes glittered angrily in the dim light, and her husband placed a paw on her to calm her again.

"I didn't know you existed before I met you tonight," you repeat. Like hell you were letting them blame you for something you didn't even know you were supposed to do. "What 'labors' are you talking about?"

"We are spirits of the house. We help keep it in order: doing housework, finding lost items, protecting pets and livestock," explains the domovoi calmly. "Yet we are not without our pride. None would work for those who do not respect them. We do not ask for much, but we do ask."

"If part of your job is to clean, servants, then why are you so upset by messes?" asks your dragon, eyes narrowed dangerously.

"Disrespectful, it is!" answers the kikimora with a snap of her beak. "Takes our work for granted, leaving such filth for us when we have never been properly honored!"

"I never asked you to work for me," you point out.

"Of course not. We are not here because we were asked. Our labors are a kindness, a gift given out of generosity," proudly says the domovoi. "To benefit from such a thing without honoring the giver... We are fair creatures, bogatyr. We reward respect with service, rudeness with mischief. We have stayed our hand thus far so we might voice our grievances, and now we have done so. What say you?"

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[ ] Apologize. You did disrespect them, even if you didn't mean to. You'll need to find out what 'gifts' they want and make sure your apartment is kept relatively clean, but that shouldn't be so hard.

[ ] Refuse them. You didn't ask for a maid service, you don't need one, and like hell you'll be bullied by a scarecrow and an overgrown teddy bear. They can do what they like elsewhere, but if they mess with you again, you'll feed them to your Mizuchi.

[ ] Kill them. You know how this story goes: they'll be extremely nice and helpful until something keeps you from leaving their 'gift', at which point they'll immediately turn on you and ruin your life. There's only one permanent solution to this pest problem: extermination.
-[ ] Increase your Legend?
-[ ]Divine Power? (Minimum of one)

[ ] Write in.
 
[X] Apologize. You did disrespect them, even if you didn't mean to. You'll need to find out what 'gifts' they want and make sure your apartment is kept relatively clean, but that shouldn't be so hard.
 
[X] Apologize. You did disrespect them, even if you didn't mean to. You'll need to find out what 'gifts' they want and make sure your apartment is kept relatively clean, but that shouldn't be so hard.
 
Are the children of Demigods also Demigods.
Unknown. You'll have to find this information IC.

Also does losing your Legend mean losing your powers or just being stuck with the current ranking?
Your Legend will be permanently set at 0, and you will lose your Legendary Talent. You will keep your Divine Talent and ability to channel Divine Power.

Should you reach the point of losing your Legend, you will be given the option to retire Alexandra if you so chose. Generally speaking, completing her Destiny is supposed to be the end of the Quest, one way or another. I could keep it going if the group wants, but continuing to adventure with only Mortality and Divine dice to use would place you at a severe handicap.
 
Unknown. You'll have to find this information IC.


Your Legend will be permanently set at 0, and you will lose your Legendary Talent. You will keep your Divine Talent and ability to channel Divine Power.

Should you reach the point of losing your Legend, you will be given the option to retire Alexandra if you so chose. Generally speaking, completing her Destiny is supposed to be the end of the Quest, one way or another. I could keep it going if the group wants, but continuing to adventure with only Mortality and Divine dice to use would place you at a severe handicap.

Hrm. OOC question, have you picked out our Destiny ahead of time? Is it related to our actions or character creation choices? What are some example Destinies other than 'Kill your father and marry your mother?'
 
[X] Apologize. You did disrespect them, even if you didn't mean to. You'll need to find out what 'gifts' they want and make sure your apartment is kept relatively clean, but that shouldn't be so hard.

I mean, why not?
 
Hrm. OOC question, have you picked out our Destiny ahead of time? Is it related to our actions or character creation choices? What are some example Destinies other than 'Kill your father and marry your mother?'

I have a few possibilities. Both your actions and character creation choices will partially shape what Destinies are available, and I'll be rolling randomly to determine what the ultimate result will be. Some sample Destinies include:
  • Sacrificing your life for a person or cause
  • Entering into lifelong (possibly eternal) servitude to a person, nation, or ideal
  • Destroying the person or thing you love most
  • Recovering a legendary artifact that has been lost to time
  • Accomplishing a great journey either to a far-off land or back from this distant place
  • Being betrayed to your ruin by a close friend or loved one
  • Committing a transgression of blasphemous magnitude
  • Fighting an epic battle against a legendary monster, mythical champion, or huge army of foes
 
I have a few possibilities. Both your actions and character creation choices will partially shape what Destinies are available, and I'll be rolling randomly to determine what the ultimate result will be. Some sample Destinies include:
  • Sacrificing your life for a person or cause
  • Entering into lifelong (possibly eternal) servitude to a person, nation, or ideal
  • Destroying the person or thing you love most
  • Recovering a legendary artifact that has been lost to time
  • Accomplishing a great journey either to a far-off land or back from this distant place
  • Being betrayed to your ruin by a close friend or loved one
  • Committing a transgression of blasphemous magnitude
  • Fighting an epic battle against a legendary monster, mythical champion, or huge army of foes

Or some combination of those?

Hrm, this is an IC question, but is it one that people have asked: what's the point of the Destinies? Like, one guy was apparently going to impregnate his sister (which would probably fall under transgression of blasphemous magnitude) while another is Destined to recover the Holy Grail.

What's up with that?

Do we need to kinkshame Destiny?
 
[X] Apologize. You did disrespect them,even if you didn't mean to. You'll need to find out what 'gifts' they want and make sure your apartment is kept relativelyclean, but that shouldn't be so hard.
 
@Kaelor Hubris is commited when the character try to become a god, right ? Would that still happen if we aimed higher, like trying to become or usurp a protogenoi ?
 
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