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Oh I am slain! said:
Join us in voting for Zenzo! Zenzo is simply misunderstood! :3

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Zenzo is one of the suspects. I mean, yes, it would be weird for him to use a code that half the ruling class knows instead of making a new one but this is Reef. If you want to reveal it to a special jounin, do so to the ones we know don't know the code and we can already discard as a suspect.

The cons for Zenzo are:

1) He is still one of the suspects.
2) If the drugs fail, his mood swings can compromise the investigation. If they don't, his ruthless pragmatism can compromise the situation.
3) It would help him gain power if he succeeds. Do we want that in a guy that has to do sanity checks just because he was polite in one conversation? He did want to send academy students to the battlefield.

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Keep in mind that his confession is likely better evidence about a traitor existing than our report when choosing.
 
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Hmm, looking at the tally, we might have an interesting scenario where the winning vote has...two votes. Partially that's because so few people voted (which is a bit sad) but partially because everyone voted for different things. Which is better than bandwagons, yes.
 
@The Laurent Would you mind posting a who is who of the Special Jounin and Jounin in the first page, in the same post as genin Shizue know enough to talk to? It is growing tiresome to go through the tread looking for it everytime I want to check something...
 
Bakkasama said:
@The Laurent Would you mind posting a who is who of the Special Jounin and Jounin in the first page, in the same post as genin Shizue know enough to talk to? It is growing tiresome to go through the tread looking for it everytime I want to check something...
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There. It hasn't been updated for additional info you've figured out, like what you know about Zenzo, but it's there.

Vote closes in thirty minutes, so people who want to take a last stab at voting, now's the time, and you can totally sway the outcome!

After that time, or whenever after that point someone puts up a vote tally, the vote closes.
 
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The Laurent said:
There. It hasn't been updated for additional info you've figured out, like what you know about Zenzo, but it's there.
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\o/

We really haven't investigated most of the special jounin, and none of the jounin, have we?

Oh, and I still think that Sano Tomoyo has at least an inkling of what's going on, due to her administrative position. Administrators always know way more than they should. ^_^
The Laurent said:
She is also an administrator, and keeps track of taxes, civilians, and other things related to maintaining the government. As such she has a lot of power and influence as to who gets what and who goes broke for lack of good jobs and contracts.
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The mention of Momoka's expertise at strategy means she might know too. Especially since she's the one negotiating the treaty.

My theory still is that someone(s) high-level in Reef is trying an overly clever strategy that necessitates calculated leaks. But there's at least one other third party separately involved in doing leaks too, either working with Island, or trying to destabilize all three villages.

Hmm. Could we have asked Emiko for her analysis on the special jounin and jounin of the village? I wonder if she would be willing to say anything, and if she is, I wonder how much accurate analysis she'd be willing to let us know. Could be worth a try; we really don't know much more about most of the special jounin and jounin yet.
 
Now that I check again, it seems that the only special jounin that didn't know the code was the compulsive gambler rather than the daughter of a former Islander like I thought. Also, that Hirotomo is considered sneaky for using water to blind his opponents.
 
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Vote Tally : End of an Era (Naruto AU) | Page 40 | Sufficient Velocity
##### NetTally 1.1.23

[X] Alter his mind.
-[X] Have him think he confessed naturally. That means he'll be more likely to spill the beans if he thinks everyone knows, unless he sees proof otherwise.
[X] Yes
-[X] To specific people (list).
--[X] Zenzo
[X] No.
[X] Why did the source or method change three times? That's just weird. Brainstorm ideas related to that.
No. of Votes: 1
wingstrike96_4576425

[X] Alter his mind.
-[X] Have him think he confessed naturally. That means he'll be more likely to spill the beans if he thinks everyone knows, unless he sees proof otherwise.
-[X] Would it be possible (or better) to erase Genta's involvement? He was not supposed to be here?
[X] Yes
--[X] Ken
[X] No
[X] Why did the source or method change three times? That's just weird. Brainstorm ideas related to that.
No. of Votes: 1
Arkatekt_4576733

[X] Alter his mind.
-[X] Have him think he confessed naturally. That means he'll be more likely to spill the beans if he thinks everyone knows, unless he sees proof otherwise.
[X] Yes
-[X] To specific people (list).
--[X] All Jonin.
[X] No.
[X] Why did the source or method change three times? That's just weird. Brainstorm ideas related to that.
No. of Votes: 1
The Stormbringer_4583100

[x] Alter his mind.
-[x] Have him forget he confessed about the traitor at all.
[x] Yes
-[x] To specific people (list).
--[x] Zenzo
--[x] Ken
[x] No.
[x] Why did the source or method change three times? That's just weird. Brainstorm ideas related to that.
No. of Votes: 1
Oh I am slain!_4583849

[X] Alter his mind.
-[X] Have him think he confessed naturally. That means he'll be more likely to spill the beans if he thinks everyone knows, unless he sees proof otherwise.
-[X] Would it be possible (or better) to erase Genta's involvement? He was not supposed to be here?
[X] Yes
--[X] Ken
[X] No.
[X] Maybe take it from the direction of 'summons.'
No. of Votes: 1
Bakkasama_4586709

[X] Alter his mind.
-[X] Have him forget he confessed about the traitor at all.
[X] Yes
--[X] Ken
[X] No
[X] Maybe take it from the direction of 'summons.'
No. of Votes: 1
Velocirampage_4589642


Total No. of Voters: 6

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Vote Tally : End of an Era (Naruto AU) | Page 40 | Sufficient Velocity
##### NetTally 1.1.23

[X] Alter his mind.
No. of Votes: 6
wingstrike96_4576425
Arkatekt_4576733
Bakkasama_4586709
Oh I am slain!_4583849
The Stormbringer_4583100
Velocirampage_4589642

[X] Yes
No. of Votes: 6
wingstrike96_4576425
Arkatekt_4576733
Bakkasama_4586709
Oh I am slain!_4583849
The Stormbringer_4583100
Velocirampage_4589642

[X] No.
No. of Votes: 6
wingstrike96_4576425
Arkatekt_4576733
Bakkasama_4586709
Oh I am slain!_4583849
The Stormbringer_4583100
Velocirampage_4589642

-[X] Have him think he confessed naturally. That means he'll be more likely to spill the beans if he thinks everyone knows, unless he sees proof otherwise.
No. of Votes: 4
wingstrike96_4576425
Arkatekt_4576733
Bakkasama_4586709
The Stormbringer_4583100

[X] Why did the source or method change three times? That's just weird. Brainstorm ideas related to that.
No. of Votes: 4
wingstrike96_4576425
Arkatekt_4576733
Oh I am slain!_4583849
The Stormbringer_4583100

--[X] Ken
No. of Votes: 4
Arkatekt_4576733
Bakkasama_4586709
Oh I am slain!_4583849
Velocirampage_4589642

-[X] To specific people (list).
No. of Votes: 3
wingstrike96_4576425
Oh I am slain!_4583849
The Stormbringer_4583100

--[X] Zenzo
No. of Votes: 2
wingstrike96_4576425
Oh I am slain!_4583849

-[X] Would it be possible (or better) to erase Genta's involvement? He was not supposed to be here?
No. of Votes: 2
Arkatekt_4576733
Bakkasama_4586709

-[x] Have him forget he confessed about the traitor at all.
No. of Votes: 2
Oh I am slain!_4583849
Velocirampage_4589642

[X] Maybe take it from the direction of 'summons.'
No. of Votes: 2
Bakkasama_4586709
Velocirampage_4589642

--[X] All Jonin.
No. of Votes: 1
The Stormbringer_4583100


Total No. of Voters: 6
Vote Tally : End of an Era (Naruto AU) | Page 40 | Sufficient Velocity
##### NetTally 1.1.23

[X] No.
No. of Votes: 6
wingstrike96_4576425
Arkatekt_4576733
Bakkasama_4586709
Oh I am slain!_4583849
The Stormbringer_4583100
Velocirampage_4589642

[X] Why did the source or method change three times? That's just weird. Brainstorm ideas related to that.
No. of Votes: 4
wingstrike96_4576425
Arkatekt_4576733
Oh I am slain!_4583849
The Stormbringer_4583100

[X] Yes
--[X] Ken
No. of Votes: 3
Arkatekt_4576733
Bakkasama_4586709
Velocirampage_4589642

[X] Alter his mind.
-[X] Have him think he confessed naturally. That means he'll be more likely to spill the beans if he thinks everyone knows, unless he sees proof otherwise.
No. of Votes: 2
wingstrike96_4576425
The Stormbringer_4583100

[X] Alter his mind.
-[X] Have him think he confessed naturally. That means he'll be more likely to spill the beans if he thinks everyone knows, unless he sees proof otherwise.
-[X] Would it be possible (or better) to erase Genta's involvement? He was not supposed to be here?
No. of Votes: 2
Arkatekt_4576733
Bakkasama_4586709

[x] Alter his mind.
-[x] Have him forget he confessed about the traitor at all.
No. of Votes: 2
Oh I am slain!_4583849
Velocirampage_4589642

[X] Maybe take it from the direction of 'summons.'
No. of Votes: 2
Bakkasama_4586709
Velocirampage_4589642

[X] Yes
-[X] To specific people (list).
--[X] Zenzo
No. of Votes: 1
wingstrike96_4576425

[X] Yes
-[X] To specific people (list).
--[X] All Jonin.
No. of Votes: 1
The Stormbringer_4583100

[x] Yes
-[x] To specific people (list).
--[x] Zenzo
--[x] Ken
No. of Votes: 1
Oh I am slain!_4583849


Total No. of Voters: 6
 
The Laurent said:
Hmm, looking at the tally, we might have an interesting scenario where the winning vote has...two votes. Partially that's because so few people voted (which is a bit sad) but partially because everyone voted for different things. Which is better than bandwagons, yes.
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This is my favorite quest right now but I'm not surprised so few people vote. This is a complex quest and I'm not just talking about the mechanics. Nearly every vote has no clear right or wrong answer with potential long and short term consequences no matter which way you choose.

Oh I am slain! said:
My theory still is that someone(s) high-level in Reef is trying an overly clever strategy that necessitates calculated leaks.
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Baiting someone with real but low value information so that they believe false information about something high value isn't a particularly advanced counterintelligence tactic. If this was going on then I'd be super relieved because even though it'd mean someone considered Shizue and all her friends expendable fodder it would at least mean that someone had a plan. We really desperately need for someone to have a plan at least as clever as this because the only other ideas we're privy to is vague optimistic nonsense:
The Laurent said:
We are closer to victory over Tide then we've been in decades, and with Tide defeated, we will have the resources to stand against Island
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As things stand now Reef would have to completely absorb what remains of Tide and then have several years of peace to build up to a point where they'd be able to stand against Island. And that's not going to happen because Island has their own plan.
The Laurent said:
to strike hard and fast at some point in the future and beat Reef 'with a single mighty blow.'
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That's not a clever plan, but they've got enough numbers that it's got a really good chance of working. Island's plan of forcing one massive battle is actually the kind of plan that would be completely screwed over if it relied on misinformation. Although even that probably wouldn't be enough.

In order to actually win this war we'd need a kill/death ratio against Island similar to what was achieved against Reef and since Island still has all their Jonin that's not gonna happen. If there is misinformation operation underway we'd still need a lot of lucky breaks just to sue for peace. If there's an actual traitor we'll need a miracle just to survive.
 
@Velocirampage Good points!

On a tangential note, I wonder if the remaining Yaramachi jounin has anything special cooked up. His explosives and mine expertise would be kinda key for any plan that involves Reef fighting a much larger Island force. Also, his backstory might provide the motivation for him to be frantically innovating and making plans right now, since he has a lot to live up to.
 
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Velocirampage said:
Baiting someone with real but low value information so that they believe false information about something high value isn't a particularly advanced counterintelligence tactic. If this was going on then I'd be super relieved because even though it'd mean someone considered Shizue and all her friends expendable fodder it would at least mean that someone had a plan. We really desperately need for someone to have a plan at least as clever as this because the only other ideas we're privy to is vague optimistic nonsense:
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:rofl: The fact that you'd be reassured if someone was sending Shizue and company, a bunch of children, off to certain death as part of some cunning stratagem...
 
The Laurent said:
:rofl: The fact that you'd be reassured if someone was sending Shizue and company, a bunch of children, off to certain death as part of some cunning stratagem...
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To be fair, it's better than sending them off to die for no reason, or for an actively self-destructive reason.

Edit: it's also better than sending them out to die in the hopes that you get a mid-battle power up that only /might/ help.

Also, do we still get paid if the mission fails?
 
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Arkatekt said:
To be fair, it's better than sending them off to die for no reason, or for an actively self-destructive reason.

Edit: it's also better than sending them out to die in the hopes that you get a mid-battle power up that only /might/ help.

Also, do we still get paid if the mission fails?
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Some for capturing the Chunin. And, Genta wasn't really hoping for a mid-battle power up, he was simply hoping that he might unlock it. Put bluntly, he believed that this needed to be done, and 'power up' was just one possible outcome.

Also, considering he didn't order anyone to go along with him...sorry, it's just I've seen commentors talk about it and it annoys me, the comparison between Genta, who just risked his life trying to stop a traitor, and someone who has dozens of lives on their hands at the VERY LEAST.

It shows a certain lack of perspective that's just fine, I guess, since ultimately this is just fiction...but won't in any way, shape or form be reflected in Shizue.
 
Well, as long as he didn't rely on it developing in the battle but was simply aware it was a potential outcome then that is ok. It is just that the way it was worded gave the impression that he was surprised it didn't happen and with the rolls he had in battle his performance was somewhat lacking in comparison with the confidence he was trying and failing to project so it would have seemed like he was relying on it appearing had we not known there were rolls in the background.
 
Bakkasama said:
Well, as long as he didn't rely on it developing in the battle but was simply aware it was a potential outcome then that is ok. It is just that the way it was worded gave the impression that he was surprised it didn't happen and with the rolls he had in battle his performance was somewhat lacking in comparison with the confidence he was trying and failing to project so it would have seemed like he was relying on it appearing had we not known there were rolls in the background.
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He was surprised it didn't happen for a certain reason. I can't tell more, though you'll learn by next update probably, but with the way he said 'his last hope' in the previous update, there MIGHT be a hint of 'if this doesn't work, nothing will' desperation.

At the moment, though, you don't know how unlocking the Shomeigan works, but that might be something you can learn by talking to him...
 
Okay, I didn't make as much progress as I wanted, even though I had a whole day free. I'm about 2k into the update, and continuing along. There's one more big scene, and a few little ones, this update'll probably go on through to the end of the week.
 
I have a dream that one day The Laurent will post up an update with <1k words! :p

In seriousness though, I'm unsure whether to advocate for shorter, more frequent updates. Each voting event would feel a bit less important, and may disrupt the flow of the story. Yet as it is right now, I feel like the longer updates are long enough such that I can't appreciate the details and effort that went into them.

I dunno. I guess I'm happy no matter what, as long as the updates keep happening. ^_^
 
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Oh I am slain! said:
I have a dream that one day The Laurent will post up an update with <1k words. :p

In seriousness though, I'm unsure whether to advocate for shorter, more frequent updates. Each voting event would feel a bit less important, and may disrupt the flow of the story. Yet as it is right now, I feel like the longer updates are long enough such that I can't appreciate the details and effort that went into them.

I dunno. I guess I'm happy no matter what, as long as the updates keep happening. ^_^
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Part of the problem is that there isn't really a cutoff point at, say, 1k. At that point, you'd be just after the scene that ends Scene 13, and right in the middle of talking to Zenzo. I mean, I could have given choices about how to go about that, if I really wanted to...
 
The Laurent said:
Part of the problem is that there isn't really a cutoff point at, say, 1k. At that point, you'd be just after the scene that ends Scene 13, and right in the middle of talking to Zenzo. I mean, I could have given choices about how to go about that, if I really wanted to...
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Maybe post it in installments, but only have a vote after every 2-3 installments? Maybe that could get more reactions for each individual scene? It might build more dramatic tension too. You could finish writing the whole group of installments first, like usual, but just post them up one by one.

I'm just throwing around ideas--there obviously hasn't been methodical research about running online quests. >_>

If in doubt, the status quo is fine.
 
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Okay, update done at about 4.5k or so, I'm currently having it edited and also working on writing up the Week vote. I have to tabulate all of the reaction-posts, alter the 'people Shizue can talk to' for additional information/changes, and then figure out the modifiers. Shizue had a rather dangerous fight, so she's going to get a few modifiers to reflect it. The update will thus hopefully be out tonight or tomorrow.

It represents the end of the first month, IC, after only two and a half months OOC!
 
Before the post comes up, I'd like us to start thinking about the XP votes.

I'd like to suggest we put the Primary in Puppets, Secondary in Intelligence, Tertiary in Evasion or Movement. For jutsu, I'd like to suggest rank 5 in Dizzy Spell, and another rank in Replacement.
 
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