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[][dissolve] The national Congress has the full right to dissolve a provincial or commune government if it decides it acted illegally.
-[] On a three-fifths majority rather than a simple majority
[][review] Congressional supremacy, there are no checks or balances on the will of the people.
[][ballot] An individual gets ballot access with 1% of eligible voters in a district as signatures.

[][party] The following requirements are needed to be a recognized political party.
-[] The party must have at least 20,000 eligible voters.
-[] The party must hold a mass meeting or convention to decide on candidates.
-[] The party's convention for candidates must have candidates democratically chosen, such as through a primary election, with all party members eligible to vote.
-[] Party officers must be elected from party membership in a democratic manner.
 
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Here's my alternate proposal for ballot access:

[][party] The following requirements are needed to be a recognized political party.
-[] The party must hold a mass meeting or convention to decide on candidates.
-[] The party candidates must still meet individual ballot access criteria

[][ballot] An individual gets ballot access with 1% of eligible voters in a district as signatures.

Needing to win elections to be allowed to run in elections is obviously silly and it's desirable to avoid parties being organizations of assemblymembers first. But any organization able to nominate candidates and get them past the individual criteria should be able to put its name on the ballot and in congress though, so I think this is better than entirely dropping parties from the electoral process. Make party organizations choose their candidates in some kind of convention and gather signatures for them.

I'm a bit worried the 1% requirement will get tiring election after election though. It's a lot of pointless work from voters to keep someone on the ballot.
 
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Nyvis said:
But any organization able to nominate candidates and get them past the individual criteria should be able to put its name on the ballot and in congress though
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This can be accomplished without imposing any particular bylaws on parties, entirely through candidate ballot access requirements.
 
Zimmerwald1915 said:
This can be accomplished without imposing any particular bylaws on parties, entirely through candidate ballot access requirements.
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I think it's cleaner if the party has to make a process of endorsing the candidate (without especially tight constraints on that process) for them to use the party label on the ballot. But if you have a way to write it in through ballot access law, I'll vote for that too.
 
Nyvis said:
I think it's cleaner if the party has to make a process of endorsing the candidate (without especially tight constraints on that process) for them to use the party label on the ballot. But if you have a way to write it in through ballot access law, I'll vote for that too.
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I don't think it needs to be written in at all. It seems self-evident to me that a candidate who is nominated by a party, through whatever process, can ask the state to print their nominating parties' names and logos next to their name on the ballot -- and that this can be done without the state imposing any particular bylaws on the party. It is not my intent to institute officially "non-partisan" elections a la modern OTL Nebraska, which is a form of fraud upon the voters.
 
Zimmerwald1915 said:
I don't think it needs to be written in at all. It seems self-evident to me that a candidate who is nominated by a party, through whatever process, can ask the state to print their nominating parties' names and logos next to their name on the ballot -- and that this can be done without the state imposing any particular bylaws on the party. It is not my intent to institute officially "non-partisan" elections a la modern OTL Nebraska, which is a form of fraud upon the voters.
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What I'm proposing is basically just formalizing this process of the candidate/party asking the state for their label on the print. If the QM read your vote like this I'm fine with it.
 
Choosing to make it so there are no officially recognized parties is a limit on recognizing parties, not choosing what is written on a ballot. Recognizing parties meaning the thing America already did where the party can just choose candidates and have them on the ballot. Not recognizing parties at all and having Congress choose to print them on the ballots anyways means there will be no special privileges—if someone wants to run Danny Leon under the Socialists Laboring Party they could 100% do so if they get the signature requirement.
 
Physici said:
the signature requirement.
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Which, for a refresher, is as follows. We went with six-to-twelve-member districts, i.e., districts containing between about 120 thousand and 240 thousand people. If we go with a one percent signature requirement, as seems likely, that means between about 1.2 thousand and about 2.4 thousand signatures for ballot access. If we go with a three percent threshold, that's between 3.6 thousand and 7.2 thousand signatures.
 
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I am a bit concerned about the lack of officially recognized parties potentially leading to the running of spoiler candidates particularly with us using SNTV. I'm not all too sure where I stand with the recognition of official parties though, other than the complete dismissal of the requirements involving performance in a previous election.
 
Fireiy said:
I am a bit concerned about the lack of officially recognized parties potentially leading to the running of spoiler candidates particularly with us using SNTV. I'm not all too sure where I stand with the recognition of official parties though, other than the complete dismissal of the requirements involving performance in a previous election.
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If anything conditioning automatic ballot access on past election performance reaching a certain threshold is the least offensive means of establishing political parties, because at least it doesn't have the state tamper with their bylaws or run their nominations.
 
[X][dissolve] The national Congress has the full right to dissolve a provincial or commune government if it decides it acted illegally.
-[X] On a three-fifths majority rather than a simple majority
[X][review] Congressional supremacy, there are no checks or balances on the will of the people.
[X][party] The following requirements are needed to be a recognized political party.
-[X] The party must hold a mass meeting or convention to decide on candidates.
-[X] The party candidates must still meet individual ballot access criteria
[X][ballot] An individual gets ballot access with 1% of eligible voters in a district as signatures.

The vulnerability to shenanigans being particularly acute with SNTV is enough for me to break in favor of having some degree of recognition requirement, simply to avoid trivial bad-faith fuckery.
 
[X][dissolve] The national Congress does not have the right to dissolve a provincial or commune government if it decides it acted illegally.
[X][review] Congressional supremacy, there are no checks or balances on the will of the people.
[X][party] Have no recognized political parties, all candidates must individually get ballot access.
[X][ballot] An individual gets ballot access with 1% of eligible voters in a district as signatures.
 
[X][review] Congressional supremacy, there are no checks or balances on the will of the people.

That's the one I care about most.
 
[X][dissolve] The national Congress has the full right to dissolve a provincial or commune government if it decides it acted illegally.
-[X] On a three-fifths majority rather than a simple majority
[X][review] Congressional supremacy, there are no checks or balances on the will of the people.
[X][party] The following requirements are needed to be a recognized political party.
-[X] The party must hold a mass meeting or convention to decide on candidates.
-[X] The party candidates must still meet individual ballot access criteria
[X][ballot] An individual gets ballot access with 1% of eligible voters in a district as signatures.
 
[X][dissolve] The national Congress has the full right to dissolve a provincial or commune government if it decides it acted illegally.
-[X] On a three-fifths majority rather than a simple majority
[X][review] Congressional supremacy, there are no checks or balances on the will of the people.
[X][party] The following requirements are needed to be a recognized political party.
-[X] The party must hold a mass meeting or convention to decide on candidates.
-[X] The party candidates must still meet individual ballot access criteria
[X][ballot] An individual gets ballot access with 1% of eligible voters in a district as signatures.
 
[X][dissolve] The national Congress has the full right to dissolve a provincial or commune government if it decides it acted illegally.
-[X] On a three-fifths majority rather than a simple majority
[X][review] Congressional supremacy, there are no checks or balances on the will of the people.
[X][party] The following requirements are needed to be a recognized political party.
-[X] The party must hold a mass meeting or convention to decide on candidates.
-[X] The party candidates must still meet individual ballot access criteria
[X][ballot] An individual gets ballot access with 1% of eligible voters in a district as signatures.
 
[X][dissolve] The national Congress does not have the right to dissolve a provincial or commune government if it decides it acted illegally.
[X][review] Congressional supremacy, there are no checks or balances on the will of the people.
[X][party] Have no recognized political parties, all candidates must individually get ballot access.
[X][ballot] An individual gets ballot access with 1% of eligible voters in a district as signatures.
 
Man, elections of some kinda are going to be constant in this nation. I think there's a real risk of causing political burnout.
 
Geedubs said:
Man, elections of some kinda are going to be constant in this nation. I think there's a real risk of causing political burnout.
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It's a lot less onerous than it might seem, because you're undoubtedly projecting a lot of contemporary campaign season bloat onto matters. Every two years, there's about 2-3 months of political campaigning on the national level, with a bit more if there's cause for a recall or popular initiative. For local elections, it'd be more like a month every year.
 
[X][dissolve] The national Congress has the full right to dissolve a provincial or commune government if it decides it acted illegally.
-[X] On a three-fifths majority rather than a simple majority
[X][review] Congressional supremacy, there are no checks or balances on the will of the people.
[X][party] The following requirements are needed to be a recognized political party.
-[X] The party must hold a mass meeting or convention to decide on candidates.
-[X] The party candidates must still meet individual ballot access criteria
[X][ballot] An individual gets ballot access with 1% of eligible voters in a district as signatures.
 
[X][dissolve] The national Congress has the full right to dissolve a provincial or commune government if it decides it acted illegally.
-[X] On a three-fifths majority rather than a simple majority
[X][review] Congressional supremacy, there are no checks or balances on the will of the people.
[X][party] The following requirements are needed to be a recognized political party.
-[X] The party must hold a mass meeting or convention to decide on candidates.
-[X] The party candidates must still meet individual ballot access criteria
[X][ballot] An individual gets ballot access with 1% of eligible voters in a district as signatures.

This combination seems to be a good compromise between the Unitary/Statist and Commune-Federal/Anarchist parts of the convention.

Also, fun Foreign Affairs rolls. French Radicalism was below average, but the French crackdown roll was hilariously poor, so I can't wait to see what that results in. Probably nothing massive, but seeing how the French are the most likely European power to support the Mexican government, it'll still probably be good for us. And China and Japan having negotiations is also a promising sign.
 
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[X][dissolve] The national Congress has the full right to dissolve a provincial or commune government if it decides it acted illegally.
-[X] On a three-fifths majority rather than a simple majority
[X][review] Congressional supremacy, there are no checks or balances on the will of the people.
[X][party] The following requirements are needed to be a recognized political party.
-[X] The party must hold a mass meeting or convention to decide on candidates.
-[X] The party candidates must still meet individual ballot access criteria
[X][ballot] An individual gets ballot access with 1% of eligible voters in a district as signatures.
 
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