The Second Reconstruction-A Post-Civil War Kaiserreich USA Quest

I'm guessing that trying to enforce the Wagner-Gavagan Act will be the sparking incident, with the South refusing to punish lynchers. Either the Feds attempt to push the issue, and the South goes 'Racism!' 'State Rights!' and "The South will rise again!", or moderating/punishing only the most egregious offenders will cause the labor unions to accuse us of weakness and false promises.

Next time you know, everyone smells blood in the water, and everything is all "Every Man a King" "Break the Chains" "Up with the Stars, Down with the traitors".
 
Some more thoughts.

If Olson really promised a Supreme Court seat to Senate Majority Leader Joseph Taylor Robinson to get the Anti-Lynching and the NLRA bills passed, he probably won't have to worry about Robinson for long because Robinson died on July 14, 1937, in real life.

The NLRA might not enough to appease Reed and the most radical of socialists. The path we picked in the quest has twice ignored Reed and, while a bit more radical than Landon's or FDR's New Deal would have been, lacks a truly potent concession to the socialists such as creating and handing sole control of a federal National Labor Board to the SPA found in the Velvet Glove path in the mod. I am sure many would find handing sole control of government agencies to a party that lost the election to be outrageous.

Contrary to what I expected, bundling the Wagner-Gavagan Act and the NLRA together might have helped pass both bills. The SPA did not want the NLRA to pass but the SPA also really wanted the Wagner-Gavagan Act to pass because white union workers realized that they needed protection from lynching as well during the New Years' Strike. Robinson bundled the Wagner-Gavagan Act and the NLRA together in a joint cloture motion to force the SPA to pick between both bills passing and neither bill passing. The socialists decided to vote for the joint cloture motion to pass to allow passage of the Wagner-Gavagan even if it meant allowing the Coalition to pass the NLRA as well.

I expect the Civil War to include a big angry reactionary Southern uprising because we enraged them, we proved that we do not need their votes, and because they cannot stop our agenda, but I would not be surprised if we had a weaker socialist uprising because we did not directly talk with Reed and the radicals will not be satisfied with the Fair Deal.


Why did Long filibuster the Anti-Lynching Act? I thought he was against racism in RL and in Kaiserreich. He certainly had a feud with the KKK. Did he turn to them for voter base?
We ended up forcing Long into making a clear choice on a race issue and ending his neutrality. Long was said to be a casual racist who did not rabidly hate black people. He was willing to help African Americans if it serves his interests or if would not hurt him and would not race bait needlessly, but he was willing to screw over the African American community if it also served his interests. The anti-lynching bill was a direct challenge to Long's mostly Southern support base so he either had to oppose the bill or lose the support of his base with no way to avoid or be neutral on the question. Long apparently decided to oppose the bill to avoid losing the support of his base even if he might consider it personally distasteful.

I'm guessing that trying to enforce the Wagner-Gavagan Act will be the sparking incident, with the South refusing to punish lynchers. Either the Feds attempt to push the issue, and the South goes 'Racism!' 'State Rights!' and "The South will rise again!", or moderating/punishing only the most egregious offenders will cause the labor unions to accuse us of weakness and false promises.

Next time you know, everyone smells blood in the water, and everything is all "Every Man a King" "Break the Chains" "Up with the Stars, Down with the traitors".
While the passage of the Wagner-Gavagan Act is undoubtably a good thing, I have no doubt there will be a massive, bloody wave of lynchings of African Americans, other minorities, and of socialists across the South and in the wider country in open defiance of the Federal Government in response to the "federal and socialist tyranny" of the passage of this bill.
 
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Something worth noting is that getting 64 votes for cloture means we got the support of several SPA senators for invoking cloture. There's the 11 States of the old Confederacy, then throwing in some of the border states like Kentucky and Oklahoma as an abstraction since the border states sometimes opposed civil rights measures and other times they didn't. That would be 26 opposed Senators. Jack Reed won Wisconsin, Illinois, Indiana, Michigan, Ohio, and West Virginia. I'm gonna toss West Virginia since that was like a close 4-way competition and it's a border state so I'll just say its accounted for in the prior border state thing. We know Jack Reed is Senator of New York, and carrying 5 states West Virginia excluded means we can probably extrapolate that to around 10 SPA Senators. There are 96 Senators which would mean that to invoke cloture, presuming 100% integrity of our caucus, about half of the SPA Senators must have voted for cloture.

This is probably indicative of the great divides within the SPA which welds together both reformist and revolutionary socialists, and at least to me it indicates that either this will be a 2 way civil war or the CSA will be truncated.
 
Something worth noting is that getting 64 votes for cloture means we got the support of several SPA senators for invoking cloture. There's the 11 States of the old Confederacy, then throwing in some of the border states like Kentucky and Oklahoma as an abstraction since the border states sometimes opposed civil rights measures and other times they didn't. That would be 26 opposed Senators. Jack Reed won Wisconsin, Illinois, Indiana, Michigan, Ohio, and West Virginia. I'm gonna toss West Virginia since that was like a close 4-way competition and it's a border state so I'll just say its accounted for in the prior border state thing. We know Jack Reed is Senator of New York, and carrying 5 states West Virginia excluded means we can probably extrapolate that to around 10 SPA Senators. There are 96 Senators which would mean that to invoke cloture, presuming 100% integrity of our caucus, about half of the SPA Senators must have voted for cloture.

This is probably indicative of the great divides within the SPA which welds together both reformist and revolutionary socialists, and at least to me it indicates that either this will be a 2 way civil war or the CSA will be truncated.
…oh shit we may have killed a 3 way war
 
Question did we manage to reduce problems enough that the Pacific States of America, Hawaii and New England wouldn't appear/secede?

Since we gave concessions to everyone but the SPA, AFP, and Byrd (and Old Democrats by extension), and the fact that both the NLRA and Wagner-Gavagan Act passed with their votes, we did enough to retain their loyalty. If they still secede, then that makes their governors of those states the traitors.
 
After nearly 100 days of constant legislating, some of the most comprehensive in its history, and Olson saying he had the tools he needed to end the strike, Congress would adjourn with most of its membership returning home. They would not return to Washington for years.
History will remember Olson for this. Like, holy shit, if the second civil war happened, I want him to win and be the Second Lincoln.
 
How about we don't irreparably damage American democracy and instead win the Civil War with the democratically-elected civilian government?
The arcane, archaic and broken institutions of America IS directly responsible for the Civil War. Under someone like Big Mac we can reform the whole rotten structure from top to bottom, write a new constitution, weaken the states and strengthen the Federal Government. It's a chance to renew democracy by wiping the slate clean. Olson's political leanings, inclinations and graft ridden administration makes me skeptical that true reform can be carried out while he and the cabinet remains in power.
 
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The arcane, archaic and broken institutions of America IS directly responsible for the Civil War. Under someone like Big Mac we can reform the whole rotten structure from top to bottom, write a new constitution, weaken the states and strengthen the Federal Government. It's a chance to renew democracy by wiping the slate clean. Olson's political leanings, inclinations and graft ridden administration makes me skeptical that true reform can be carried out while he and the cabinet remains in power.
I fail to see how exactly a military coup led by the most egotistical man in the US Army is going to do anything to fix America's political system. This is also assuming MacArthur actually does any positive changes to the US government instead of making it completely subservient to him and his cohorts.

Furthermore, have you considered the repercussions that will come about as a result of MacArthur overthrowing the democratically-elected government and completely obliterating the relationship between the civilian government and the military? What kind of precedent does that set in the future?
 
A two-sided civil war is more interesting than a MacArthur coup followed by a four-sided civil war. (especially since we actually have a chance at pulling the former off, so I refuse to throw all the effort away and force a four-sided civil war that is going to leave a lot more damage for us to fix than a two-sided civil war)
 
I fail to see how exactly a military coup led by the most egotistical man in the US Army is going to do anything to fix America's political system. This is also assuming MacArthur actually does any positive changes to the US government instead of making it completely subservient to him and his cohorts.

Furthermore, have you considered the repercussions that will come about as a result of MacArthur overthrowing the democratically-elected government and completely obliterating the relationship between the civilian government and the military? What kind of precedent does that set in the future?

This I agree with this whole heartedly although there is no guarantee that we will have MacArthur move against the government as it has not bowed at all to Long or Reed. I am certain we will have to deal with both radical camps although how exactly things break down and who goes with who is a bit up in the air.
 
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I'm personally here for the fun. Is that so bad?
Of course.

Don't you know you're supposed to use the quest as a proxy for your real world politics?

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But speaking seriously.

If I was more sure that everyone else on the quest (and online spaces in general) was just in it for the fun, I'd be less stubborn about some things that show up in quests/timelines/fics/etc. And I too would be in it just for the fun.

But everything is political so, when I see anyone too gung-ho about military dictators who want to kill socialists, I get suspicious.
 
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Military Intelligence Report: January 1937

Subject: The Military Capacity of the America First Party (Upper Leadership)

In light of recent events with the uncertainty of the Federal Government's Power Projection in its Military Ranks…the FBI has compiled a list of possible Military Leaders of the AFP based on personal remarks and letters as well as Political and Personal Leanings.

This list is not to be taken as Gospel or as an attack on our servicemen's character, merely a cautionary look into a possibility.

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Field Officers of Greater Note and Ability that could conceivably work in a Feild Marshal or General of the Army Capacity.

Major General George Van Horn Moseley. Commander of the Third Army of the United States. Outspoken in his support of the AFP's immigration reform and anti-semite rhetoric he's been tapped many times to be a possible cabinet member of a Huey Long Presidency.

Now onto his recent Military History, having taken part in the Expedition to Mexico in 1917 and was on high alert during the many years of crisis beforehand, the Commander shows the remarkable ability for long term strategic planning and strategy, if a bit untested due to the years of peace and the need for Police Action against the Syndicalist Menace being lowered due to our reforms.

Onto the Next Man…

Lt Col George S. Patton: All but considered the Opposite of Moseley, he's a man who many times pushed for our adoption of Tanks and Armored Warfare, with calvary in mind for its role. He's hot-headed, yet brilliant in the Field of battle in his planning and attack ability. He is also a Veteran of our Expedition to Mexico.

Of the Two I consider Moseley to be a leading general, while Patton will be their best field commander

Among other things, these are the most likely choices for a possible AFP High Command.

I will work on a report involving wider Field Commanders and Generals should the need arise.


AN: I don't know if we accept Omakes, but here I go making one anyway.

This is a War with the AUS, might as well make it offical.
 
The Die is Cast, Part 1

"We are not enemies, but friends. We must not be enemies."



The Creator of Nullification

In the 1830s the state of South Carolina decided to not follow the 1828 tariff. It's protectionist policies were considered a threat to Southern Agriculture. While Civil War was avoided, in that particular case, the legal doctrine South Carolina articulated, nullification, as well as the ideology of "state's rights" would far outlive Andrew Jackson, John C. Calhoun, and even the First American Civil War. Despite no true legal standing in US law, the idea a state could simply ignore a Federal law that it felt infringed on its own rights was always something for the South to fall back on.

State's Rights and Nullification would come soaring back as a rally cry in 1937. To say the South didn't take the passage of both Wagner Acts well would be an understatement. The Anti-Lynching Act in particular caused outrage. Most Southern politicians, including Huey Long, stuck to denouncing it as an unconstitutional overreach by the Federal Government. They stated that law enforcement had usually almost always been for state and local communities to handle, including murders. Yet some politicians wouldn't hide their opposition behind legal obscurities. Freshman American First Senator Allen Ellender would famously state that, "We shall at all cost preserve the white supremacy of America." This new law would be tested sooner than anyone predicted.

On April 13, 1937 in Duck Hill Mississippi, Roosevelt Townes and Robert McDaniels were seized from the local sheriff and both were brutally lynched. The brutality would make this a major story across the nation and as local authorities failed to take action, the Department of Justice swiftly moved to enforce the new Law. Following the mixed success last summer by Hoover and the FBI to target the Minutemen, President Hoover and Olson had been sure to appoint men who could be trusted to follow directions from Washington as US Attorneys across the South. The US Attorney for the Northern District of Mississippi was such a man and quickly brought charges against Sheriff Wright and his deputies. There was general outrage and the State of Mississippi flat out refused to assist the Justice Department investigation in any way. By the time the FBI arrived in Duck Hill, the men they were after were long gone. Meanwhile the County refused to pay the fines it owed under the act, promising to take the case to the Supreme Court.

The possibility of a legal solution would soon pass when a group of minutemen attacked the offices of the US Attorney with flaming bottles of Alcohol while another of their group fired a submachine gun into the burning building. Local police did nothing to stop them. Several federal employees were killed while others across the South were assaulted over the coming days. Blaming Olson for the violence, Southern Governors demanded the repeal of the Anti-Lynching Act or they would refuse to cooperate with the Federal government in any capacity, with Mississippi even mobilizing their national guard to surround Army bases. Other states didn't go quite as far, instead preferring to order Federal properties closed for "safety reasons" citing the attack on the Federal Building in Mississippi. Olson and Jones flatly refused. While tensions were certainly boiling in the South, it became clear that the real crisis was far to the north, in Detroit Michigan.



The Man with his own remedy to the strike

The New Year's Day Strike was still in full strength this entire time. The Olson Administration's plan was to pass the Labor Relations Act and bring an end to the strike one sectoral union at a time, bypassing the CSA. Yet this took time and with the strike well into its fourth month, the patience of many industrialists and non-socialist government officials had run out. During the transition Senator Huey Long had offered the then President-Elect the option to bring in unemployed Southern Workers to replace the striking workers and end the strike that way. Olson had politely rejected the offer, preferring a more union friendly approach. Yet Long and his allies had not forgotten the offer and they had the perfect intermediary to approach the Industrialists of the Steel Belt, the founder of the Ford Motor Company, Henry Ford himself.

Ever since a syndicalist had murdered a family member, Henry Ford had been staunchly supporting the America First movement, providing it a lot of its funding. Yet with most of Ford's factories in Detroit, Henry Ford had business ties with pretty much every other businessman in the area and was able to gain meetings with them. While initially they declined Long's offer, as the months dragged on they changed their mind. When it became clear how pro-union the Labor Relations Act would end up, many of them decided to throw their lot in with Long instead of Olson. While the Governor of Michigan was sympathetic to the Unions, the Attorney General of the State was not and he was more than willing to provide the legal backing the Industrialists needed. Soon trains and truckloads of unemployed (and white) Southerners were being shipped to Detroit. Among them were armed and veteran Minutemen. Normally this would have been a major cause of concern for the Federal Government but the FBI downplayed the numbers of the Minutemen to the White House. It is unclear if this was deliberate or simple negligence on Director Hoover's part but with the White House distracted by passing its legislative agenda, and then the violence in the South, the migration of workers to Detroit was conveniently ignored. The unions and CSA were not simply going to allow their strike to be broken and to this end large numbers of Red Guard were deployed to the streets, proclaiming their intention to stop the scabs by any means necessary.


Ford would make the first move when he announced that by the end of the week all workers had to return to work or they would be fired. The Union refused. The replacement workers found their way to the factories blocked by armed Red Guards. With no other recourse, they returned to their housing. The next day they tried again but this time the Minutemen led the way. When faced with the Red Guards, shooting soon broke out and the National Guard was sent in to break the violence. That night in an emergency session, which was held after conveniently not informing the Socialist representatives, the Michigan Legislature passed an order for the strike to end and demanded the National Guard end it by any means necessary. News quickly reached DC and early the following morning President Olson presided over an emergency Cabinet meeting.

Secretary of War Stinson arrived with several plans suggested by General MacArthur to mobilize the US military while Attorney General Dickinson had some draft orders Federalizing the Michigan National Guard to assist MacArthur's plans to end the crisis in Detroit. Director Hoover had also sent along plans for even more drastic options. The US was at a crisis moment.

[ ] Federalize the Michigan National Guard and order them to prevent further violence between the Minutemen and Red Guards


[ ] Federalize the Michigan National Guard and order them to crush the Minutemen and Red Guards and have the FBI arrest Ford

[ ] Federalize the Michigan National Guard and order them to stop the Minutemen and scab workers and have the FBI arrest Ford

[ ] Federalize the Michigan National Guard and order them to break the Red Guards and allow the scabs into the Ford factories while the FBI arrests the Union leadership

[ ] Order the FBI to eliminate Jack Reed and hope the CSA collapses without a leader

[ ] Order the FBI to eliminate Huey Long and hope the AFP collapses without it rallying figure


[ ] Wait on ordering Federal action and allow events to take their natural course
 
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And so it begins!

hey @Jeeshadow a question: If we kill Long, will the AFP collapse like in-game or could it get worse with us ordering political assassinations of rival political leaders?

[X] Federalize the Michigan National Guard and order them to break the Red Guards and allow the scabs into the Ford factories while the FBI arrests the Union leadership
 
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[X] Federalize the Michigan National Guard and order them to break the Red Guards and allow the scabs into the Ford factories while the FBI arrests the Union leadership
 
And so it begins!

hey @Jeeshadow a question: If we kill Long, will the AFP collapse like in-game or could it get worse with us ordering political assassinations of rival political leaders?
Nothing is guaranteed. Trying to assassinate either leader is a gamble and may or may not work. If you get caught doing it, well...
 
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[X] Federalize the Michigan National Guard and order them to stop the Minutemen and scab workers and have the FBI arrest Ford
 
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