The Second Reconstruction-A Post-Civil War Kaiserreich USA Quest

[X] [CSA] Grant legal authority to the workers councils that have been organized
[X] [SOCIAL] Back Federal Anti-Lynching Legislation
[X] [TARIFF] Repeal Smoot-Hawley
[X] [DRINK] Offer no deal to supporters of Prohibition in Congress
[X] [BANK] Further and more comprehensive business bailouts
[X] [FARM] Federal Farm Relief
[X] [OIL] Offer no deal to Texan oil men, it is to risky to try to undercut Garner's support
[X] [GRAFT] Prioritize Fair Deal public works funds to their districts
[X] [RACISM] Offer no deal to Byrd and his allies
[X] [LONG] Implement a flat Wealth Cap
 
Socialists:
[X] [CSA] Grant legal authority to the workers councils that have been organized

Civil Rights Liberals:
[X] [SOCIAL] Back Federal Anti-Lynching Legislation

Free Trade Supporters:
[X] [TARIFF] Repeal Smoot-Hawley

Prohibitionists:
[x] [DRINK] Federal Tax on Trade and Sale of Alcohol

Market Liberals:
[X] [BANK] Offer no deal to market liberals and the business leaders that support them

Western Representatives:
[] [FARM] Federal Farm Relief

Texan Business Interests:
[X] [OIL] Offer no deal to Texan oil men, it is to risky to try to undercut Garner's support

Undecideds:
[X] [GRAFT] Prioritize Fair Deal public works funds to their districts

Byrd and Southern Democrats:
[X] [RACISM] Offer no deal to Byrd and his allies

Longists:
[X] [LONG] Implement a flat Wealth Cap

seem like a good deal
 
[X] [CSA] Grant legal authority to the workers councils that have been organized
[X] [SOCIAL] Back Federal Anti-Lynching Legislation
[X] [TARIFF] Repeal Smoot-Hawley
[X] [DRINK] Offer no deal to supporters of Prohibition in Congress
[X] [BANK] Further and more comprehensive business bailouts
[X] [FARM] Federal Farm Relief
[X] [OIL] Offer no deal to Texan oil men, it is to risky to try to undercut Garner's support
[X] [GRAFT] Prioritize Fair Deal public works funds to their districts
[X] [RACISM] Offer no deal to Byrd and his allies
[X] [LONG] Implement a flat Wealth Cap
 
[X] [CSA] Offer no deal to Reed
[X] [SOCIAL] Back Federal Anti-Lynching Legislation
[X] [TARIFF] Repeal Smoot-Hawley
[X] [DRINK] Federal Tax on Trade and Sale of Alcohol
[X] [BANK] Further and more comprehensive business bailouts
[X] [FARM] Federal Farm Relief
[X] [OIL] Offer no deal to Texan oil men, it is to risky to try to undercut Garner's support
[X] [GRAFT] Prioritize Fair Deal public works funds to their districts
[X] [RACISM] Offer no deal to Byrd and his allies
[X] [LONG] Offer no deal to Long

I rather not give the CSA more power.
 
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[X] [CSA] Offer no deal to Reed
[X] [SOCIAL] Back Federal Anti-Lynching Legislation
[X] [TARIFF] Repeal Smoot-Hawley
[X] [DRINK] Offer no deal to supporters of Prohibition in Congress
[X] [BANK] Further and more comprehensive business bailouts
[X] [FARM] Federal Farm Relief
[X] [OIL] Offer no deal to Texan oil men, it is to risky to try to undercut Garner's support
[X] [GRAFT] Prioritize Fair Deal public works funds to their districts
[X] [RACISM] Offer no deal to Byrd and his allies
[X] [LONG] Implement a flat Wealth Cap
 
[X] [CSA] Offer no deal to Reed
[X] [TARIFF] Repeal Smoot-Hawley
[X] [DRINK] Federal Tax on Trade and Sale of Alcohol
[X] [BANK] Further and more comprehensive business bailouts
[X] [FARM] Federal Farm Relief
[X] [OIL] Push Congress to enact Federal Oil Subsidies
[X] [GRAFT] Prioritize Fair Deal public works funds to their districts
[X] [RACISM] Offer no deal to Byrd and his allies
[X] [LONG] Implement a flat Wealth Cap
 
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Socialists:
[X] [CSA] Offer no deal to Reed

Civil Rights Liberals:
[X] [SOCIAL] Back Federal Anti-Lynching Legislation

Free Trade Supporters:
[X] [TARIFF] Repeal Smoot-Hawley

Prohibitionists:
[X] [DRINK] Offer no deal to supporters of Prohibition in Congress

Market Liberals:
[X] [BANK] Offer no deal to market liberals and the business leaders that support them

Western Representatives:
[X] [FARM] Federal Farm Relief

Texan Business Interests:
[X] [OIL] Offer no deal to Texan oil men, it is to risky to try to undercut Garner's support

Undecideds:
[X] [GRAFT] Prioritize Fair Deal public works funds to their districts

Byrd and Southern Democrats:
[X] [RACISM] Offer no deal to Byrd and his allies

Longists:
[X] [LONG] Implement a flat Wealth Cap

I would ask those of you looking to kowtow to Reed even further to reconsider. There is no universe in which a bill that goes even farther than our already stridently pro-labor position ends well for us - losing Byrd is one thing, losing Garner is another. Otherwise, I believe this is a fair set of options that will get our country back on track and pass the bill through Congress, however ugly it may be.
 
[X] [CSA] Grant legal authority to the workers councils that have been organized
[X] [SOCIAL] Back Federal Anti-Lynching Legislation
[X] [TARIFF] Repeal Smoot-Hawley
[X] [DRINK] Offer no deal to supporters of Prohibition in Congress
[X] [BANK] Further and more comprehensive business bailouts
[X] [FARM] Federal Farm Relief
[X] [OIL] Offer no deal to Texan oil men, it is to risky to try to undercut Garner's support
[X] [GRAFT] Prioritize Fair Deal public works funds to their districts
[X] [RACISM] Offer no deal to Byrd and his allies
[X] [LONG] Implement a flat Wealth Cap
 
[X] [CSA] Grant legal authority to the workers councils that have been organized
[X] [SOCIAL] Back Federal Anti-Lynching Legislation
[X] [TARIFF] Repeal Smoot-Hawley
[X] [DRINK] Federal Tax on Trade and Sale of Alcohol
[X] [BANK] Further and more comprehensive business bailouts
[X] [FARM] Federal Farm Relief
[X] [OIL] Offer no deal to Texan oil men, it is to risky to try to undercut Garner's support
[X] [GRAFT] Prioritize Fair Deal public works funds to their districts
[X] [RACISM] Offer no deal to Byrd and his allies
[X] [LONG] Implement a flat Wealth Cap

Lmao this is as radical as "Centrist" can get. America will be unrecognizable.
 
Folks, we have arrived at the critical hour. Failure risks the collapse of faith in the government and a military coup. Some options will sink everything.

Granting formal legal power to the socialist workers' councils might be viewed as a legitimization of a Dual Power setup between the Federal Government and the councils similar to the situation between the Provisional Government and the Petrograd Soviet in Russia during the Russian Revolution. This will be a bridge too far for many non-socialist Americans.

While Federal Anti-Lynching Legislation is highly desirable and the morally right thing to do, it might not be the correct thing to do. Federal Anti-Lynching Legislation has never been successfully passed in both houses of Congress even today OTL. Every attempt has been filibustered to death by the Southern Bloc and FDR historically refused to support such legislation in fear that it would blow up the New Deal Coalition. There is a regrettable number of Americans who would rather deny themselves and others essential aid from the government than even slightly tone down their racism. Would we win more support than we would certainly lose if we took this action?

Losing Garner's support is a sign that Olson is viewed as more radical than FDR would have been. Garner had little love for FDR's New Deal historically, but he was willing to help FDR steer critical parts of the New Deal through Congress during FDR's first hundred days. Here, Garner is standing in the way of Olson's plan.

Please be careful with your choices here.
 
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Small question, does there have to be a civil war? Can the reconstruction in the title of the quest just be meant as an era where the country goes through significant change?
 
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Small question, does there have to be a civil war? Can the reconstruction in the title of the quest just be meant as an era where the country goes through significant change?
If this is based on Kaiserreich, then no, it's not going to be possible. The Second American Civil War is an unavoidable event. Too many opposing factions in America that it's impossible to appease one without angering the other.
 
Small question, does there have to be a civil war? Can the reconstruction in the title of the quest just be meant as an era where the country goes through significant change?
Ya the civil war will be inevitable but the shape it will take, what factions are in it, how long, what the character of the nation that emerges, is still very much up for debate. A conflict with just the south under Olson will change things very differently than Mac fighting a 4 way civil war.
 
Folks, we have arrived at the critical hour. Failure risks the collapse of faith in the government and a military coup. Some options will sink everything.

Granting formal legal power to the socialist workers' councils might be viewed as a legitimization of a Dual Power setup between the Federal Government and the councils similar to the situation between the Provisional Government and the Petrograd Soviet in Russia during the Russian Revolution. This will be a bridge too far for many non-socialist Americans.

While Federal Anti-Lynching Legislation is highly desirable and the morally right thing to do, it might not be the correct thing to do. Federal Anti-Lynching Legislation has never been successfully passed in both houses of Congress even today OTL. Every attempt has been filibustered to death by the Southern Bloc and FDR historically refused to support such legislation in fear that it would blow up the New Deal Coalition. There is a regrettable number of Americans who would rather deny themselves and others essential aid from the government than even slightly tone down their racism. Would we win more support than we would certainly lose if we took this action?

Losing Garner's support is a sign that Olson is viewed as more radical than FDR would have been. Garner had little love for FDR's New Deal historically, but he was willing to help FDR steer critical parts of the New Deal through Congress during FDR's first hundred days. Here, Garner is standing in the way of Olson's plan.

Please be careful with your choices here.

Slightly disagree on the civil rights bill. The bridge with Byrd and the fire-eating Southern Democrats has already been burnt to the ground - there is no faction in America that currently has a lower opinion of us. This is a way to stand up for our principles at the cost of alienating people that would support exactly none of our agenda to begin with. Plus, the south is Long's country now, and he's a different type of person than Byrd and co.

I really can't agree more with the councils, though. I really want to emphasize to you all how radical this is - this is effectively recognizing much of the Combined Syndicates as a legitimate part of the federal government. This is insane. This bill will already satisfy the workers on the ground and we shouldn't sacrifice it for making a political decision that is both dumb and unnecessary. If Reed votes against this bill just because we aren't throwing ourselves at the ground to lick his boots and for no other reason, it'll show the American people how petty and selfish he really is.
 
[X] [CSA] Offer no deal to Reed
[X] [SOCIAL] Back Federal Anti-Lynching Legislation
[X] [TARIFF] Repeal Smoot-Hawley
[X] [DRINK] Offer no deal to supporters of Prohibition in Congress
[X] [BANK] Further and more comprehensive business bailouts
[X] [FARM] Federal Farm Relief
[X] [OIL] Push Congress to enact Federal Oil Subsidies
[X] [GRAFT] Prioritize Fair Deal public works funds to their districts
[X] [RACISM] Offer no deal to Byrd and his allies
[X] [LONG] Offer no deal to Long
 
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[X] [CSA] Offer no deal to Reed
[X] [SOCIAL] Back Federal Anti-Lynching Legislation
[X] [TARIFF] Repeal Smoot-Hawley
[X] [DRINK] Offer no deal to supporters of Prohibition in Congress
[X] [BANK] Offer no deal to market liberals and the business leaders that support them
[X] [FARM] Federal Farm Relief
[X] [OIL] Push Congress to enact Federal Oil Subsidies
[X] [GRAFT] Prioritize Fair Deal public works funds to their districts
[X] [RACISM] Offer no deal to Byrd and his allies
[X] [LONG] Implement a flat Wealth Cap
 
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[X] [CSA] Offer no deal to Reed
[X] [SOCIAL] Back Federal Anti-Lynching Legislation
[X] [TARIFF] Repeal Smoot-Hawley
[X] [DRINK] Offer no deal to supporters of Prohibition in Congress
[X] [BANK] Further and more comprehensive business bailouts
[X] [FARM] Federal Farm Relief
[X] [OIL] Offer no deal to Texan oil men, it is to risky to try to undercut Garner's support
[X] [GRAFT] Prioritize Fair Deal public works funds to their districts
[X] [RACISM] Offer no deal to Byrd and his allies
[X] [LONG] Implement a flat Wealth Cap
 
[X] [CSA] Grant legal authority to the workers councils that have been organized
[X] [SOCIAL] Back Federal Anti-Lynching Legislation
[X] [TARIFF] Repeal Smoot-Hawley
[X] [DRINK] Offer no deal to supporters of Prohibition in Congress
[X] [BANK] Further and more comprehensive business bailouts
[X] [FARM] Federal Farm Relief
[X] [OIL] Offer no deal to Texan oil men, it is to risky to try to undercut Garner's support
[X] [GRAFT] Prioritize Fair Deal public works funds to their districts
[X] [RACISM] Offer no deal to Byrd and his allies
[X] [LONG] Implement a flat Wealth Cap
 
[X] [CSA] Grant legal authority to the workers councils that have been organized
[X] [SOCIAL] Back Federal Anti-Lynching Legislation
[X] [TARIFF] Offer no deal to supporters of Free Trade
[X] [DRINK] Federal Tax on Trade and Sale of Alcohol
[X] [BANK] Further and more comprehensive business bailouts
[X] [OIL] Push Congress to enact Federal Oil Subsidies
[X] [GRAFT] Prioritize Fair Deal public works funds to their districts
[X] [RACISM] Segregate access to Fair Deal Programs
[X] [LONG] Implement a flat Wealth Cap
 
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[X] [CSA] Offer no deal to Reed
[X] [SOCIAL] Back Federal Anti-Lynching Legislation
[X] [TARIFF] Repeal Smoot-Hawley
[X] [DRINK] Federal Tax on Trade and Sale of Alcohol
[X] [BANK] Further and more comprehensive business bailouts
[X] [FARM] Federal Farm Relief
[X] [OIL] Offer no deal to Texan oil men, it is to risky to try to undercut Garner's support
[X] [GRAFT] Prioritize Fair Deal public works funds to their districts
[X] [RACISM] Offer no deal to Byrd and his allies
[X] [LONG] Offer no deal to Long

In regards to prohibitionists, I'm sure we can eventually repeal that in the following decade once the support for it dies down and opposition once again shows up for it. Happened in the past, it's sure to repeat itself. Other than that, saying yes to everything excluding the southern democrats, oil barons, socialists, and Longists since I don't like em. That's right, I'm voting with my feelings.
 
[X] [CSA] Grant legal authority to the workers councils that have been organized
[X] [SOCIAL] Back Federal Anti-Lynching Legislation
[X] [TARIFF] Repeal Smoot-Hawley
[X] [DRINK] Offer no deal to supporters of Prohibition in Congress
[X] [BANK] Further and more comprehensive business bailouts
[X] [FARM] Federal Farm Relief
[X] [OIL] Offer no deal to Texan oil men, it is to risky to try to undercut Garner's support
[X] [GRAFT] Prioritize Fair Deal public works funds to their districts
[X] [RACISM] Offer no deal to Byrd and his allies
[X] [LONG] Implement a flat Wealth Cap
 
[X] [CSA] Grant legal authority to the workers councils that have been organized
[X] [SOCIAL] Back Federal Anti-Lynching Legislation
[X] [TARIFF] Repeal Smoot-Hawley
[X] [DRINK] Offer no deal to supporters of Prohibition in Congress
[X] [BANK] Further and more comprehensive business bailouts
[X] [FARM] Federal Farm Relief
[X] [OIL] Offer no deal to Texan oil men, it is to risky to try to undercut Garner's support
[X] [GRAFT] Prioritize Fair Deal public works funds to their districts
[X] [RACISM] Offer no deal to Byrd and his allies
[X] [LONG] Implement a flat Wealth Cap
 
[X] [CSA] Grant legal authority to the workers councils that have been organized
[X] [SOCIAL] Back Federal Anti-Lynching Legislation
[X] [TARIFF] Repeal Smoot-Hawley
[X] [DRINK] Offer no deal to supporters of Prohibition in Congress
[X] [BANK] Further and more comprehensive business bailouts
[X] [FARM] Federal Farm Relief
[X] [OIL] Offer no deal to Texan oil men, it is to risky to try to undercut Garner's support
[X] [GRAFT] Prioritize Fair Deal public works funds to their districts
[X] [RACISM] Offer no deal to Byrd and his allies
[X] [LONG] Implement a flat Wealth Cap
 
Why are people voting against federal tax and regulation on alcohol? That's good. We want to do that. It's a way to limit consumption without banning it entirely. We're throwing the prohibitionists a bone, not kowtowing to them wholesale. I don't see a problem with that at all, and I want to know why people are against it.

Can someone explain why we can't support Texas oil? Is that un Garner's pocket? How does it undercut him?
 
My salient things are that I really thing that we should rethink our opposition to Prohibitionists, and our favorability to trying to strike a deal with Long. Prohibitionists, regardless of our perception of its legacy was a force powerful enough to bring forth a Constitutional Amendment irl banning alcohol. That didn't happen in Kaiserreich timeline but that also means that movement hasn't been tainted by the dirties of irl prohibition and this isn't even asking for full prohibition. I think we're turning down really easy political leverage in denying them. Beyond that I think we're also underestimating how much the flat wealth cap might piss off a core part of our coalition, big business. Also I don't really see why we shouldn't court Texas Oil in this case. I am hardly inclined to sing their praises but they're also the only force powerful enough to take on the Dixiecrat establishment of Texas even with the Longist influence that exists there now. It was historically LBJ's road to prominence without being completely reliant on the political patronage machines of Texas.


[X] [CSA] Offer no deal to Reed
[X] [SOCIAL] Back Federal Anti-Lynching Legislation
[X] [TARIFF] Repeal Smoot-Hawley
[X] [DRINK] Federal Tax on Trade and Sale of Alcohol
[X] [BANK] Further and more comprehensive business bailouts
[X] [FARM] Federal Farm Relief
[X] [OIL] Push Congress to enact Federal Oil Subsidies
[X] [GRAFT] Prioritize Fair Deal public works funds to their districts
[X] [RACISM] Offer no deal to Byrd and his allies
[X] [LONG] Offer no deal to Long

CSA

Yeah, we absolutely should not accept the enshrinement of Dual Power of the Workers' Councils. To explicitly recognize a Detroit Soviet or whatever would be intensely alienating to basically every part of our coalition from the more agrarian oriented Farmer-Laborers to the holdover conservative Democrats.

Civil Rights

In this case I am actually strongly inclined to back Federal Anti-Lynching laws. Anti-Lynching bills repeatedly passed the House in the 1920s and as powerful as Garner is, the Speaker of the House is nothing like a Senate Majority Leader. Bills cannot be held up forever in committee and indeed can be forced to the floor via a discharge petition. SPA senators really have no excuse whatsoever to vote against such a measure and what was IRL an unshakeable filibuster wall in the form of the Solid South, is divided between the very nominally racially neutral Longists, and the Rump Dixiecrats. Beyond that, this is nothing like later much more comprehensive Civil Rights Laws, this is basically anti-hate crime legislation which significantly softens the opposition of conservative Republicans and Democrats. I think that this would be a valuable promise that is a strong pull for the SPA and minorities to come onside for this vote which would lose us significant ground only where we basically never had it, ie the South.

Free Trade

Repealing the Smoot-Hawley tariff would anger primarily industrialists who enjoy not having to compete with foreign imports, but we can win back points with them on bail-outs and the government money of the Fair Deal. Lowering tariffs on the other hand would lower food prices with imports from Canada able to resume at a greater rate which would lower the overall price of food in particular. This could be painful to American farmers but we can win them back with agricultural subsidy and farm relief.

Prohibition

Prohibition never occurred in the Kaiserreich timeline and it has been a growing force in American politics for literally a century. We should not underestimate the power of the dry bloc, especially considering that in Kaiserreich it hasn't been tainted by years of the irl actual usage of the Volstead Act. It's a cheap non-alienating way to get a disproportionate amount of powerful support to support steps in the Dry direction that don't alienate Wets.

Banking

When you're this deep in the hole, more is more. Bailouts is the name of the game to attempt to return some level of liquidity to the economy as well as placating industrialists and the financial sector. I can't say I care very much if they're getting more than their fair share as long as people's savings stop going up in smoke from bankruptcies.

Farming

I genuinely can't think of any reason not to support Farmers as the dust bowl ravages the country and their generally more conservative Representatives and Senators need swaying.

Oil

Oil is the only force in Texas strong enough to sometimes defeat the the Dixiecrat establishment IRL. With the Longists sapping their strength, the support of Big Oil could bring us an unexpected harvest of votes in the House and Senate. Lyndon Baines Johnson, the unexpected hero of Civil Rights, began and ended his career with the unrepentant support of Texas Oil which allowed him to defeat people he shouldn't have been able to like the highly popular ultraconservative Governor of Texas, Coke Stevenson, in the Democratic primary for Senate in 1948 irl.

Pork

Pork is dirty, it is unpleasant to look at, but it is a powerful tool that cannot be turned away at this moment.

Racism

Clears throat

No.

Long

I really don't recommend going along with this, a flat wealth cap while not as radical as accepting the authority of the Worker's Councils probably is still the kind of thing that makes big business, industrialists, and bankers suddenly start entering kill mode and the fact is that it's more important to keep our coalition in line than to make a possibly successful overture to long.
 
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