The Second Reconstruction-A Post-Civil War Kaiserreich USA Quest
- Thread starter Jeeshadow
- Start date
- Location
- somewhere on this dying planet
- Pronouns
- He/Him
[X] Open talks with Reed and the Central Committee of the CSA to reach an agreement to end the Strike.
Rolen von Keng
Sleeping Green Bear
- Location
- The Wilderness
[X] Not open direct talks with the CSA but instead seek to end the strike but legalizing labor unions, implementing the Fair Deal, and establishing unemployment insurance to make the strike unnecessary.
As usual, being reasonable should defuse the situation.
As usual, being reasonable should defuse the situation.
ThatGuyWithIdeas
Treize died for our sins
- Location
- Romania
[X] Accept an offer by Senator Long and a collection of southern Governors who offered to find unemployed southern workers to reopen the factories.
- Location
- NY
[X] Not open direct talks with the CSA but instead seek to end the strike but legalizing labor unions, implementing the Fair Deal, and establishing unemployment insurance to make the strike unnecessary.
[X] Refuse to deal with the strikers and instead take a hardline and bring it to an end, no matter the costs.
Caving into either Reed or Long would undermine our make us look weak and unreliable to the American public, and will only embolden either the Longists or Socialists to pursue further action. On the other hand, passing the necessary reforms, while achievable, would require the coalition to mobilize it's political resources, which are in scarce supply even after Olson's victory in the election. As such, we should stand our ground against the syndicalist menace and move to crush the strike; it may agitate the people, but a military unit here and there would be sufficient enough to dissuade strikers and their supporters from attempting anything which would lead to bloodshed.
Caving into either Reed or Long would undermine our make us look weak and unreliable to the American public, and will only embolden either the Longists or Socialists to pursue further action. On the other hand, passing the necessary reforms, while achievable, would require the coalition to mobilize it's political resources, which are in scarce supply even after Olson's victory in the election. As such, we should stand our ground against the syndicalist menace and move to crush the strike; it may agitate the people, but a military unit here and there would be sufficient enough to dissuade strikers and their supporters from attempting anything which would lead to bloodshed.
- Location
- Buskerud, Norway
[X] Not open direct talks with the CSA but instead seek to end the strike but legalizing labor unions, implementing the Fair Deal, and establishing unemployment insurance to make the strike unnecessary.
We need to prove that we alone have the answers to americas problems, not radicals like Reed or Long
We need to prove that we alone have the answers to americas problems, not radicals like Reed or Long
Fezzes
Knight of King Stannis Baratheon
- Location
- Sydney, Australia
[X] Accept an offer by Senator Long and a collection of southern Governors who offered to find unemployed southern workers to reopen the factories.
I don't particularly trust Option 3 to work. It's more of what nearly fucked us during the election, just reiterating our plans to people who are tired of hearing about them. Something has to change, and I'm not feeling pliable to giving Reed what he wants. Long's deal is the quickest route we have to keeping our economy going for Long enough to implement our own policies as well.
I fully expect it'll kick off some violence, ala Bloody Harlan, but it's better than the alternatives.
Crushing the strikers means going back on one of our election platforms in a major way while making it kind of impossible for them to trust us after we've broken their teeth with an iron gauntlet and just offered them a velvet glove.
Reiterating our current plan is a mistake we've already made, and I'd like to point out that in the update it's mentioned that people are basically getting tired of our promises. I really wish we could just lean on what we've previously said, but it's not connecting with people. As has previously been said by @Pillar 0F Atlan2, this one also relies on us being able to mobilise our political resources in time, which I don't trust. I fully expect we'd get painted as out of touch and unresponsive by our opponents if we picked Option 3.
Finally, giving in to Reed is extremely dangerous for our coalition, especially given that fuckhead MacArthur is liable to try and shit down our necks. Something like this worked in Kaiserreich lore, but we're off that path and we can't guarantee it'll end as well, given how tenuous our coalition currently is. Which is another benefit of the Long deal, I think. It's some kind of concession to the conservatives and such, which may shore up our coalition's stability a little more. What's more, didn't Reed say he couldn't guarantee what the demands of the strikers would be? I don't know how much that factors in here, but my brain is saying it might interfere with the actual practical effectiveness of the option.
If I had to rank the options it'd be:
1) Long
2) Reed
3) Fair Deal
4) Hardline
Long's deal shores up our coalition and keeps our economy rolling long enough for us to implement our own plans, at the risk of giving Long an inch and of prompting violence against strikebreakers. Reed's deal is probably the most effective at dealing with the strike, but looks likely to be absolutely devastating for our stability. Fair Deal is the one with the most integrity and, optimistically, would be the best possible result if it worked, but we're not in an optimistic world right now and nobody wants to hear us say what they've already gotten disillusioned with us saying, especially since saying and doing are two very different things in this political climate. It's the one my heart is set on, but which my head doesn't like at all. Hardline is for if we're bored of the buildup and want to trigger the civil war ASAP. It probably wouldn't immediately start it, but it's the one that raises the temperature fastest.
I don't particularly trust Option 3 to work. It's more of what nearly fucked us during the election, just reiterating our plans to people who are tired of hearing about them. Something has to change, and I'm not feeling pliable to giving Reed what he wants. Long's deal is the quickest route we have to keeping our economy going for Long enough to implement our own policies as well.
I fully expect it'll kick off some violence, ala Bloody Harlan, but it's better than the alternatives.
Crushing the strikers means going back on one of our election platforms in a major way while making it kind of impossible for them to trust us after we've broken their teeth with an iron gauntlet and just offered them a velvet glove.
Reiterating our current plan is a mistake we've already made, and I'd like to point out that in the update it's mentioned that people are basically getting tired of our promises. I really wish we could just lean on what we've previously said, but it's not connecting with people. As has previously been said by @Pillar 0F Atlan2, this one also relies on us being able to mobilise our political resources in time, which I don't trust. I fully expect we'd get painted as out of touch and unresponsive by our opponents if we picked Option 3.
Finally, giving in to Reed is extremely dangerous for our coalition, especially given that fuckhead MacArthur is liable to try and shit down our necks. Something like this worked in Kaiserreich lore, but we're off that path and we can't guarantee it'll end as well, given how tenuous our coalition currently is. Which is another benefit of the Long deal, I think. It's some kind of concession to the conservatives and such, which may shore up our coalition's stability a little more. What's more, didn't Reed say he couldn't guarantee what the demands of the strikers would be? I don't know how much that factors in here, but my brain is saying it might interfere with the actual practical effectiveness of the option.
If I had to rank the options it'd be:
1) Long
2) Reed
3) Fair Deal
4) Hardline
Long's deal shores up our coalition and keeps our economy rolling long enough for us to implement our own plans, at the risk of giving Long an inch and of prompting violence against strikebreakers. Reed's deal is probably the most effective at dealing with the strike, but looks likely to be absolutely devastating for our stability. Fair Deal is the one with the most integrity and, optimistically, would be the best possible result if it worked, but we're not in an optimistic world right now and nobody wants to hear us say what they've already gotten disillusioned with us saying, especially since saying and doing are two very different things in this political climate. It's the one my heart is set on, but which my head doesn't like at all. Hardline is for if we're bored of the buildup and want to trigger the civil war ASAP. It probably wouldn't immediately start it, but it's the one that raises the temperature fastest.
[X] Not open direct talks with the CSA but instead seek to end the strike but legalizing labor unions, implementing the Fair Deal, and establishing unemployment insurance to make the strike unnecessary.
- Location
- Raleigh, NC
[x ] Not open direct talks with the CSA but instead seek to end the strike but legalizing labor unions, implementing the Fair Deal, and establishing unemployment insurance to make the strike unnecessary.
Ghostdevil
The Devil of Ghosts
- Location
- United States
[X] Accept an offer by Senator Long and a collection of southern Governors who offered to find unemployed southern workers to reopen the factories.
- Location
- USA
Bringing in tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands of scabs from the South who have minimal to no experience working with industrial equipment seems like a really bad idea to me, especially considering that importing scabs would pretty much lose us all of the favor we have clawed out of the unions. This wouldn't keep the economy rolling any more than putting coal into your gas tank would and it would be tremendously inflammatory to essentially throw people across strike lines across the North.
I have mixed feelings about dealing directly with Reed. If it were an option I would much prefer to try to undercut his authority and that of the SPA by speaking to the AFL and trying to peel the most right wing unions off the strike but barring that it seems unwise to try to crush the strike considering its size, I'm not sure it can be crushed seeing as there couldn't possibly be more than 100,000 trained soldiers in the entire United States, let alone 100,000 exclusively loyal soldiers. Long's plan I view as straight up ineffective and inflammatory. Dealing with Reed…depends entirely on what's being demanded. If they're extortionate demands which is quite possible and negotiations drag on, we can expect MacArthur to commit gamer movement but if negotiations are relatively short and a deal could be come to in relatively short order then we could expect the support of the SPA Congressman in whatever comes to pass which would probably at least compensate for conservative Republican and Democratic bleedoff of support.
As for Fair Deal, depends on if we can get it passed which… depends entirely on chamber control and committee control and that fun old thing the filibuster, though at this point it's still possible to play quorum funsies with it.
- Location
- Minnesota
[X] Open talks with Reed and the Central Committee of the CSA to reach an agreement to end the Strike.
[X] Open talks with Reed and the Central Committee of the CSA to reach an agreement to end the Strike.
- Location
- US
- Pronouns
- He/They
Happy Christmas Eve everyone (if you celebrate). Couple things, first off while this vote is important this will be far from the only pre-war vote to come.
Also now that is concluded, how do y'all rank the Hoover Administration?
Enjoying all the discussion!
And regarding NYC, let's just say Tammany was probably vital to the final result.
Also now that is concluded, how do y'all rank the Hoover Administration?
Enjoying all the discussion!
And regarding NYC, let's just say Tammany was probably vital to the final result.