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The Second Reconstruction-A Post-Civil War Kaiserreich USA Quest

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[X] Throw support behind Wagner and lay the pressure on the conservatives. If Hoover can back this bill, you certainly can. [While the least likely to pass, there is a decent chance, it will improve cooperation between the parties, and you aren't working with radicals

The center will hold the line until god says break!!!

And he hasn't rung that bell yet.
 
Seems Socialism will not win today. ;-;

[X] Throw support behind Wagner and lay the pressure on the conservatives. If Hoover can back this bill, you certainly can. [While the least likely to pass, there is a decent chance, it will improve cooperation between the parties, and you aren't working with radicals]
 
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    • Scheduled vote count started by Jeeshadow on Nov 28, 2021 at 11:50 PM, finished with 48 posts and 41 votes.
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    • Posting the tiebreaker on QM's request.

    [x] Throw support behind Wagner and lay the pressure on the conservatives. If Hoover can back this bill, you certainly can. [While the least likely to pass, there is a decent chance, it will improve cooperation between the parties, and you aren't working with radicals]
     
    Valleron said:
    Posting the tiebreaker on QM's request.

    [x] Throw support behind Wagner and lay the pressure on the conservatives. If Hoover can back this bill, you certainly can. [While the least likely to pass, there is a decent chance, it will improve cooperation between the parties, and you aren't working with radicals]
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    Rip tied it again
    Edit: Wait no Long still has it, since he swapped from wagner.
     
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    Wagner wins!
    2 Wagner and 1 Long vote were cast before I opened the vote which led to the bot not picking them up so on this recount I believe Wagner has it. I'll get an update up in a few hours.
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    I removed my vote for the conservatives and voted for Long to break the tie.
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    I appreciate your willingness to change your vote but to keep things from getting to confusing I can't accept changes made after the vote closes.
     
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    Coalition Talks
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    • The Center Begins to Feel the Strain​



    An Official Portrait of the Influential Senator Wagner    ​

    The decision of what to do in order to get the Garner-Wagner Act moving again was a matter of great debate within the Hoover Administration. The idea of approaching Senator Reed for talks was quickly dismissed, neither Hoover nor the Republican leadership in Congress could stomach the idea of turning to the Socialists for help. Such an act was seen by many as a complete betrayal of all of Hoover's principles. It was one thing to accept some limited intervention in the form of the proposed act, it was quite another to go crawling to the Socialists.
    Turning to Senator Long and his America First Party was a somewhat more attractive option. First off, his demands were a lot less sweeping than what Reed wanted. His proposed social security program would certainly be a huge expansion of the bill's aims but it would at least keep it somewhat within the original idea of unemployment relief. Yet Senator Long was still a radical and viewed by many within Washington as little more than a rabble rousing demagogue at best, and a jackbooted authoritarian at the worst. Garner and others within the Democratic Party balked at the idea of handing a political victory to the man that they were fighting for political control of the South over. The price tag of Long's offer was simply too much politically and financially for the Hoover Administration and without Garner there would be no bill.
    So instead Hoover doubled down behind the original bill. The federal unemployment benefits were added back in and the Hoover Administration really began to lean on the conservatives in Congress, with Treasury Secretary Charles Edison having almost daily meetings with various Senators. Yet as the day of the vote slowly began to approach, whips in both parties were not quite sure if it would make it.

    [ ] Pass the Bill by any means necessary. Threats, earmarks, literally twist arms, whatever, just get it on Hoover's desk. [The Bill will almost certainly pass but it won't be pretty, lessening its use for campaigning]

    [ ] Something this important can't be tarnished with accusations of corruption. [Passage of the Bill is uncertain, likely to be determined by other factors…]

    The ongoing fights over Garner-Wagner were far from the only important discussions going on in DC in the spring of 1936. The general outrage to Hoover's reelection by the House in 1932 had shown how undesirable another House election would be. Long's rapid rise had also turned the three way '32 race into what was shaping up to be a four way this year, perhaps more if the Progressive Party managed to run a strong candidate. A Long or Reed upset couldn't be discounted and a brutal fight in the House between major parties would only hurt their credibility in the long term. Since the pounding both parties had taken in the midterms, the question had been continually asked how a disaster in November could be averted. In would step an unlikely champion with an unexpected option.



    The son of the party's founder and the only Progressive in the Senate    ​

    Senator Robert La Follette Jr. was one of the few members of the official Progressive Party in Washington and was a close ally of Governor Olson of Minnesota. In order to maintain some influence in Washington, he had quickly moved to establish himself as a neutral bridge between the liberal wings of the major parties. It had certainly taken years to establish the necessary credibility on both sides of the aisle but the effort was about to pay off. Senator La Follette would use the ongoing talks over Garner-Wagner as an opportunity to meet with influential figures in the major parties and make his proposal. Neither of the left wings of the other parties were particularly optimistic for success in their respective conventions, with Garner likely a lock for the Democratic nomination. Republican progressives had somewhat higher hopes but the businessman Alf Landon seemed the best bet to take the nomination. La Follette hoped that by uniting the progressive forces in Washington, they could finally gain an advantage over conservitive factions.
    He would find his crucial allies in both parties in the form of Democratic Senator Cordall Hull of Tennessee and the charismatic Senator from New York, the one that was not Jack Reed, Quentin Roosevelt. La Follette would convince the two that a national unity ticket should be formed, one that would offer progressives their chance at the White House. While the top of the ticket would be a member of the Progressive party, to serve as a compromising force, the Vice Presidency and most of the cabinet would consist of members of the major parties. This ticket would present a united front against the radicals and hopefully offer a credible alternative platform to the promises of Reed and Long. Now the trio of Senators needed to convince the party leadership that it was the right plan.
    Senator Hull would approach Garner with the plan while La Follette and Roosevelt would find a potential ally in Hoover's own Vice President, Charles Curtis. Curtis, who had become dissatisfied with the ineffective governance of Hoover, would be easily convinced and would bring the plan to Hoover. Garner was a tougher sell. The deal would at the very least require him to postpone his ambitions for the White House, and despite his productive working relationships with Senator Wagner, he certainly was far from a supporter of what he viewed as the Progressives' radical plans. He instead proposed to Hoover and Hull an alternative plan, one that would cut out the Progressives as a middle man.
    Garner's proposed coalition was far less tight with no formal unity ticket. Instead the Democrats and Republicans would still run their separate tickets but coordinate campaigns to prevent conflict in areas where the radicals were strong, for example the Republican nominee wouldn't contest Garner in the South. If the election went to the House, the candidate with fewer votes would endorse the other. On a Congressional level, both parties would only run a single candidate in seats at risk of falling to the AFP or SPA.

    [ ] Better Olson than Long or the Reds, grudgingly endorse the National Unity ticket. [It will be the strongest ticket but conservatives in both parties will not be happy]

    [ ] We don't need the Progressives, a loose agreement between Democrats and Republicans is enough. [Less dissent among party members but far from a sure bet in November]

    [ ] A coalition like this would undermine the very two party system we stand for! We can't trust Garner and the Democrats if this goes to the House! [There will be no coalition of any sort]
     
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    • [X] A coalition like this would undermine the very two party system we stand for! We can't trust Garner and the Democrats if this goes to the House! [There will be no coalition of any sort]
     
    [X] Pass the Bill by any means necessary. Threats, earmarks, literally twist arms, whatever, just get it on Hoover's desk. [The Bill will almost certainly pass but it won't be pretty, lessening its use for campaigning]
    [X] Better Olson than Long or the Reds, grudgingly endorse the National Unity ticket. [It will be the strongest ticket but conservatives in both parties will not be happy]
     
    [ X] Pass the Bill by any means necessary. Threats, earmarks, literally twist arms, whatever, just get it on Hoover's desk. [The Bill will almost certainly pass but it won't be pretty, lessening its use for campaigning]

    [ X] Better Olson than Long or the Reds, grudgingly endorse the National Unity ticket. [It will be the strongest ticket but conservatives in both parties will not be happy]

    THE CENTER WILL HOLD!
     
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    Vote will be open for about 24 hours. Please remember to vote on both Garner-Wagner and the Coalition talks! Feel free to ask questions especially considering we are starting to somewhat break from the current Kaiserreich lore.
     
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    [X] Pass the Bill by any means necessary. Threats, earmarks, literally twist arms, whatever, just get it on Hoover's desk. [The Bill will almost certainly pass but it won't be pretty, lessening its use for campaigning]
    [X] Better Olson than Long or the Reds, grudgingly endorse the National Unity ticket. [It will be the strongest ticket but conservatives in both parties will not be happy]
     
    [X] Pass the Bill by any means necessary. Threats, earmarks, literally twist arms, whatever, just get it on Hoover's desk. [The Bill will almost certainly pass but it won't be pretty, lessening its use for campaigning]
    [X] Better Olson than Long or the Reds, grudgingly endorse the National Unity ticket. [It will be the strongest ticket but conservatives in both parties will not be happy]
     
    [X] Pass the Bill by any means necessary. Threats, earmarks, literally twist arms, whatever, just get it on Hoover's desk. [The Bill will almost certainly pass but it won't be pretty, lessening its use for campaigning]
    [X] Better Olson than Long or the Reds, grudgingly endorse the National Unity ticket. [It will be the strongest ticket but conservatives in both parties will not be happy]

    If we can't get long then we'll become Long. Time to be a strongarmer.
     
    [X] Pass the Bill by any means necessary. Threats, earmarks, literally twist arms, whatever, just get it on Hoover's desk. [The Bill will almost certainly pass but it won't be pretty, lessening its use for campaigning]
    [X] Better Olson than Long or the Reds, grudgingly endorse the National Unity ticket. [It will be the strongest ticket but conservatives in both parties will not be happy]
     
    [X] Pass the Bill by any means necessary. Threats, earmarks, literally twist arms, whatever, just get it on Hoover's desk. [The Bill will almost certainly pass but it won't be pretty, lessening its use for campaigning]
    [X] Better Olson than Long or the Reds, grudgingly endorse the National Unity ticket. [It will be the strongest ticket but conservatives in both parties will not be happy]
     
    [X] Pass the Bill by any means necessary. Threats, earmarks, literally twist arms, whatever, just get it on Hoover's desk. [The Bill will almost certainly pass but it won't be pretty, lessening its use for campaigning]
    [X] Better Olson than Long or the Reds, grudgingly endorse the National Unity ticket. [It will be the strongest ticket but conservatives in both parties will not be happy]

    "Grudgingly?" Hardly. It's been too many years of McAdoo and Hoover to let a chance like this pass us by. Up with Olson!
     
    [X] Pass the Bill by any means necessary. Threats, earmarks, literally twist arms, whatever, just get it on Hoover's desk. [The Bill will almost certainly pass but it won't be pretty, lessening its use for campaigning]
    [X] Better Olson than Long or the Reds, grudgingly endorse the National Unity ticket. [It will be the strongest ticket but conservatives in both parties will not be happy]
     
    [X] Pass the Bill by any means necessary. Threats, earmarks, literally twist arms, whatever, just get it on Hoover's desk. [The Bill will almost certainly pass but it won't be pretty, lessening its use for campaigning]
    [X] Better Olson than Long or the Reds, grudgingly endorse the National Unity ticket. [It will be the strongest ticket but conservatives in both parties will not be happy]
     
    [X] Pass the Bill by any means necessary. Threats, earmarks, literally twist arms, whatever, just get it on Hoover's desk. [The Bill will almost certainly pass but it won't be pretty, lessening its use for campaigning]
    [X] Better Olson than Long or the Reds, grudgingly endorse the National Unity ticket. [It will be the strongest ticket but conservatives in both parties will not be happy]
     
    [X] Pass the Bill by any means necessary. Threats, earmarks, literally twist arms, whatever, just get it on Hoover's desk. [The Bill will almost certainly pass but it won't be pretty, lessening its use for campaigning]
    [X] Better Olson than Long or the Reds, grudgingly endorse the National Unity ticket. [It will be the strongest ticket but conservatives in both parties will not be happy]
     
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