Richardson
CAN YOU HEAR THE PEOPLE SING?
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- Yes
How much do you want to bet that the mind figures out how to turn AT fields into budget effactors in order to build proper ones for Shinji to use to bring about the Glorious Culture Revolution?
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khazit
Verified Skrull infiltrator
Actually,
consider the Mind doesn't have a soul, chance are they gonna have problem with generating an AT field at all.
We don't want thing to be too easy, do we
We don't want thing to be too easy, do we
- Location
- Standing behind you...
Aaaand Watched
- Location
- Terra
Actually,
consider the Mind doesn't have a soul, chance are they gonna have problem with generating an AT field at all.
We don't want thing to be too easy, do we
Do you really think something minor as no soul would stop a mind?
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daimahou
Hear... Feel... Think...
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- 「 」
"Interface Headset" is the official designation.
friend
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Finagle007
[Verified Great Old One]
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- He/Him/His
WRONG! It's "friend's" as in "friend's taste buds". You would have it be "friend taste buds".
khazit
Verified Skrull infiltrator
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Finagle007
[Verified Great Old One]
- Pronouns
- He/Him/His
Also, just digged this up from Look to Windward
Tell that to the Young Wizards.
1.3
khazit
Verified Skrull infiltrator
Well, the chapter was supposed to be longer.
But I left the power cable of my laptop at home when I come back to campus after the holiday (Lunar New Year). So no writing for a week.
Anyhow, thank you @Axiomatic for beta-ing me. And hope that I don't disappointed you guys too much.
Edit: now at proper length.
1.3
The certain redhead scowled. The Third Child was still clicking away on his laptop, opening new websites and closing old ones continuously. He shouldn't have enough time to even skim through all those pages, left alone reading them. And why on Earth would he be reading about advanced programming one moment, and molecular biology the next?
He hadn't snapped from all the pressure, had he?
Hah! She knew it! Without all the training she had been through, he couldn't possibly cope with the pressure of being a pilot! Now, she would be able to prove that she was still the best! Even if he got lucky, her overwhelming skill would eventually win out.
The Ikari kid had switched onto a website about geography.
Or perhaps she had finally rubbed off some of her superior intellect onto him, and now the poor idiot was trying to improve his scientific knowledge in a misguided attempt to catch up with her. On that subject, for once, she could honestly felt confident. Shinji was, for all his hidden qualities that she only subconsciously recognized, a little dull in the academic side. And from what she observed, the way he was browsing, he would be lucky to remember anything at all.
Now it was world history. In English.
Wait, so not only science, huh? Maybe the whole thermal expansion thing had given him some interests in trivial knowledge?
The baka had popped in an earphone and was viewing a news report about some black ice sculptors' boycott of the annual Canadian ice sculptor award, apparently because there weren't enough black people on the nomination list.
On second thought, the teacher was, indeed, excessively boring today, and the Third Child was just doing random stuff in a desperate attempt to kill time. And she had been wasting her precious neurons thinking about him.
Gah! Why did she think about him in the first place? It's not like I care!
Right?
He could do whatever he wanted, she decided, turning on her own laptop.
The reflection of Ms. Langley-Sohryu staring at him was entirely lost to Mr. Ikari, but of course, it didn't escape the extra-dimensional super intelligence inside his head.
~What do you mean, it was not a meteor?
~I've looked over the data. Whatever it was, it was not a meteor. Certainly not a natural one, at that size and velocity. I suspect an attack from another civilization, possibly the same one behind the Angels. However, I don't know why they waited 15 years before continuing. The first Angel you fought was designated Third, right?
~Yes, Shinji commented as he walked between the shelves of the city's library, heading for the counter. In his arms was an impressive stack of books. The Mind wanted to get more, and they had only searched less than half the library, but they were running out of time if they wanted to go home and drop the books off before heading to NERV.
~Then it's likely that the Second Impact was the first Angel attack, and whatever it did caused the devastation. The Evas are likely reverse engineered from the first Angel. Though, that leaves the Second unexplained. There are many possibilities. Maybe it was a series of two attacks in a row, with one of them successful. Maybe a second attack went unnoticed during the chaos after Second Impact. Maybe the first attack happened even earlier, and Second Impact was the Second Angel.
~Supposedly, the First Impact was the event that created the Earth's moon, billion years ago. It's possible that it was the first Angel, and your kin might be able to find evidence of that. That means NERV and the UN's so-called Human Instrumentality Committee – the ones who named these things - are aware of the nature of these events, and may have a connection to whatever alien force behind them.
~That doesn't explain why the events and the technology used to create the Eva were covered up from the public, nor the huge gap of 15 years between the last confirmed attack and the sudden ongoing series of attacks now. And I doubt any civilization would stick around three billion years just to mess with a single boring planet. Likely it's just an automatic system that a Sublimed irresponsibly, or maliciously, left behind to cause trouble to younger races. Abandoned toys, essentially. And there's the possibility you Earthlings triggered them in ignorance. May explain the coverup. Nobody wants to be blamed for a gigadeath crime. Though in my opinion, the ones trully responsible in this case would be our hypothetical Sublimed race, and even with the Culture's full power, which we don't have access to, for now, there's nothing we could do about them. Of course, even if the Second Impact was an accident, the recent attacks might not be. Could be NERV trying to study the remaining Angels to create their own little army of abominations, and accidentally activating them. Or it could simply be a delayed aftereffect from Second Impact.
They were out of the library and were walking home. The old librarian lady had given Shinji a bag to carry all the books. Some of "his" choices had made her raise an eyebrow, but apparently a fifteen year old reading about human psychology was not strange enough for her to raise any question. It would later raise many questions with his housemates, though.
~Anyway, at any rate, I'm certain that NERV knows more than they let on. I also have many more theories, but there is less evidence for those. The Mind ended its rant.
~You think the Angels are just …toys?
~Precisely. They're too… lacking in the offensive department for a civ capable of interstellar travel. Their designs could be for aesthetic or religious reasons, but certainly not practical. Of course, even if very rare, many high level civilizations still practice religions, and they may have thought that it was their divine mission to "test" younger races by leaving those things behind. Or they could just think that would be funny.
Shinji pondered this new information as he walked. To think that this entire mess was the result of some aliens getting bored, it was… kind of depressing. He had always assumed that the Angels were a part of something more sinister, that at least he was fighting, and failing, against an active enemy of mankind. To think that he was so useless that he'd failed so many people against mere…toys.
Toys that didn't even reflect the true power of their masters, if Hub was correct.
As if sensing his mood, the Mind suddenly spoke up. ~Hey Ikari, I've noticed that you have a musical instrument and a music player that you carry all around. It paused. I had had the honor of playing host to a great composer back on Masaq. Would you like to try out some space music?
From a certain perceptive, all living creatures were just biological machines, made of the same atoms that made up everything else in the universe. Human were no different.
Their bodies were the hardware, the robotic shells which housed the software, their minds. Neither more sophisticated nor efficient than their inorganic counterparts, as it is often discovered when a species reaches a certain point in their development.
Like any other software, a mind, in and of itself, broken down to the most fundamental level, is just an ever changing, self-expanding set of information, data. A series of commands that could be written down into any medium with enough volume.
Usually, said medium is a physical brain, housed inside a biological body. A mind is only truly alive within the context of its body, through which the figurative commands can be translated into specific actions, and in return, new information can be added into the collection. Read and write functions. And like any computer with a different design, a different body might interpret the same program differently, if it could be interpreted at all.
Understandably, in the context of a body that was largely alien to a human mind, the mind state that a human body would have interpreted as Yui Ikari was not herself.
"She" still had all the commands that were supposed to be Yui's memories and personalities, but the Eva was unable to execute them in a human way. Out of context, out of meaning.
Though the Eva, based on the same template from which humanity was born, still shared some familiarities with the woman. This allowed some translations of the codes which made up Yui's mind, and the result was that the not-Yui still had many of Yui's characteristics, goals and motives, warped and distorted through the view of an alien lens though they may have been.
That was what the Mind would have thought, if it had known the whole story.
It was still frustrated with the slow-ass connection these "A10" clips offered. The moment it'd attempted to link to this abomination, the thing had reacted …violently. The controlling intelligence of the machine immediately tried to block the Mind out, and its rage almost made the Eva body go berserk. The Mind had had to fight an uneasy battle to simultaneously isolate the AI from its own body, send fake readings to the sensors to conceal the whole debacle to the command center, and begin its own assault into the onboard AI to investigate its nature, all the while deleting any record of their battle.
Normally, all these tasks wouldn't have posed any problem to something like it, but the limited bandwidth had forced it to spend very nearly eleven whole real time minutes so far. What a disgrace! It'd even had to disconnect the Ikari kid for more bandwidth. The poor sob was getting worried, despite its assurances and distractions using the composer Mahrai's music.
It had even adapted the works of the Chelgrian into versions suitable for Earthly instruments, including the cello. They really needed to build a better connection clip, though acquiring the needed materials without rising suspicion might be difficult.
Ah well, at least now it knew what was inside the Eva.
A human mind state.
So the locals had brain uploading capacity. And they then stuck another poor meatbag into this. The Mind wondered if this was done voluntarily, or not. The thing was barely compatible with the cyborg's systems. Well, it supposed it could just ask, but at this rate, it would take hours to finish downloading the mindstate, likely unable to complete during this sync test. It really need a better connection.
The Mind briefly considered telling Shinji its new discovery, but decided against it. The kid might freak out, so better wait until they got away from NERV's prying ears first.
But I left the power cable of my laptop at home when I come back to campus after the holiday (Lunar New Year)
. So no writing for a week.Anyhow, thank you @Axiomatic for beta-ing me. And hope that I don't disappointed you guys too much.
Edit: now at proper length.
1.3
The certain redhead scowled. The Third Child was still clicking away on his laptop, opening new websites and closing old ones continuously. He shouldn't have enough time to even skim through all those pages, left alone reading them. And why on Earth would he be reading about advanced programming one moment, and molecular biology the next?
He hadn't snapped from all the pressure, had he?
Hah! She knew it! Without all the training she had been through, he couldn't possibly cope with the pressure of being a pilot! Now, she would be able to prove that she was still the best! Even if he got lucky, her overwhelming skill would eventually win out.
The Ikari kid had switched onto a website about geography.
Or perhaps she had finally rubbed off some of her superior intellect onto him, and now the poor idiot was trying to improve his scientific knowledge in a misguided attempt to catch up with her. On that subject, for once, she could honestly felt confident. Shinji was, for all his hidden qualities that she only subconsciously recognized, a little dull in the academic side. And from what she observed, the way he was browsing, he would be lucky to remember anything at all.
Now it was world history. In English.
Wait, so not only science, huh? Maybe the whole thermal expansion thing had given him some interests in trivial knowledge?
The baka had popped in an earphone and was viewing a news report about some black ice sculptors' boycott of the annual Canadian ice sculptor award, apparently because there weren't enough black people on the nomination list.
On second thought, the teacher was, indeed, excessively boring today, and the Third Child was just doing random stuff in a desperate attempt to kill time. And she had been wasting her precious neurons thinking about him.
Gah! Why did she think about him in the first place? It's not like I care!
Right?
He could do whatever he wanted, she decided, turning on her own laptop.
The reflection of Ms. Langley-Sohryu staring at him was entirely lost to Mr. Ikari, but of course, it didn't escape the extra-dimensional super intelligence inside his head.
~What do you mean, it was not a meteor?
~I've looked over the data. Whatever it was, it was not a meteor. Certainly not a natural one, at that size and velocity. I suspect an attack from another civilization, possibly the same one behind the Angels. However, I don't know why they waited 15 years before continuing. The first Angel you fought was designated Third, right?
~Yes, Shinji commented as he walked between the shelves of the city's library, heading for the counter. In his arms was an impressive stack of books. The Mind wanted to get more, and they had only searched less than half the library, but they were running out of time if they wanted to go home and drop the books off before heading to NERV.
~Then it's likely that the Second Impact was the first Angel attack, and whatever it did caused the devastation. The Evas are likely reverse engineered from the first Angel. Though, that leaves the Second unexplained. There are many possibilities. Maybe it was a series of two attacks in a row, with one of them successful. Maybe a second attack went unnoticed during the chaos after Second Impact. Maybe the first attack happened even earlier, and Second Impact was the Second Angel.
~Supposedly, the First Impact was the event that created the Earth's moon, billion years ago. It's possible that it was the first Angel, and your kin might be able to find evidence of that. That means NERV and the UN's so-called Human Instrumentality Committee – the ones who named these things - are aware of the nature of these events, and may have a connection to whatever alien force behind them.
~That doesn't explain why the events and the technology used to create the Eva were covered up from the public, nor the huge gap of 15 years between the last confirmed attack and the sudden ongoing series of attacks now. And I doubt any civilization would stick around three billion years just to mess with a single boring planet. Likely it's just an automatic system that a Sublimed irresponsibly, or maliciously, left behind to cause trouble to younger races. Abandoned toys, essentially. And there's the possibility you Earthlings triggered them in ignorance. May explain the coverup. Nobody wants to be blamed for a gigadeath crime. Though in my opinion, the ones trully responsible in this case would be our hypothetical Sublimed race, and even with the Culture's full power, which we don't have access to, for now, there's nothing we could do about them. Of course, even if the Second Impact was an accident, the recent attacks might not be. Could be NERV trying to study the remaining Angels to create their own little army of abominations, and accidentally activating them. Or it could simply be a delayed aftereffect from Second Impact.
They were out of the library and were walking home. The old librarian lady had given Shinji a bag to carry all the books. Some of "his" choices had made her raise an eyebrow, but apparently a fifteen year old reading about human psychology was not strange enough for her to raise any question. It would later raise many questions with his housemates, though.
~Anyway, at any rate, I'm certain that NERV knows more than they let on. I also have many more theories, but there is less evidence for those. The Mind ended its rant.
~You think the Angels are just …toys?
~Precisely. They're too… lacking in the offensive department for a civ capable of interstellar travel. Their designs could be for aesthetic or religious reasons, but certainly not practical. Of course, even if very rare, many high level civilizations still practice religions, and they may have thought that it was their divine mission to "test" younger races by leaving those things behind. Or they could just think that would be funny.
Shinji pondered this new information as he walked. To think that this entire mess was the result of some aliens getting bored, it was… kind of depressing. He had always assumed that the Angels were a part of something more sinister, that at least he was fighting, and failing, against an active enemy of mankind. To think that he was so useless that he'd failed so many people against mere…toys.
Toys that didn't even reflect the true power of their masters, if Hub was correct.
As if sensing his mood, the Mind suddenly spoke up. ~Hey Ikari, I've noticed that you have a musical instrument and a music player that you carry all around. It paused. I had had the honor of playing host to a great composer back on Masaq. Would you like to try out some space music?
From a certain perceptive, all living creatures were just biological machines, made of the same atoms that made up everything else in the universe. Human were no different.
Their bodies were the hardware, the robotic shells which housed the software, their minds. Neither more sophisticated nor efficient than their inorganic counterparts, as it is often discovered when a species reaches a certain point in their development.
Like any other software, a mind, in and of itself, broken down to the most fundamental level, is just an ever changing, self-expanding set of information, data. A series of commands that could be written down into any medium with enough volume.
Usually, said medium is a physical brain, housed inside a biological body. A mind is only truly alive within the context of its body, through which the figurative commands can be translated into specific actions, and in return, new information can be added into the collection. Read and write functions. And like any computer with a different design, a different body might interpret the same program differently, if it could be interpreted at all.
Understandably, in the context of a body that was largely alien to a human mind, the mind state that a human body would have interpreted as Yui Ikari was not herself.
"She" still had all the commands that were supposed to be Yui's memories and personalities, but the Eva was unable to execute them in a human way. Out of context, out of meaning.
Though the Eva, based on the same template from which humanity was born, still shared some familiarities with the woman. This allowed some translations of the codes which made up Yui's mind, and the result was that the not-Yui still had many of Yui's characteristics, goals and motives, warped and distorted through the view of an alien lens though they may have been.
That was what the Mind would have thought, if it had known the whole story.
It was still frustrated with the slow-ass connection these "A10" clips offered. The moment it'd attempted to link to this abomination, the thing had reacted …violently. The controlling intelligence of the machine immediately tried to block the Mind out, and its rage almost made the Eva body go berserk. The Mind had had to fight an uneasy battle to simultaneously isolate the AI from its own body, send fake readings to the sensors to conceal the whole debacle to the command center, and begin its own assault into the onboard AI to investigate its nature, all the while deleting any record of their battle.
Normally, all these tasks wouldn't have posed any problem to something like it, but the limited bandwidth had forced it to spend very nearly eleven whole real time minutes so far. What a disgrace! It'd even had to disconnect the Ikari kid for more bandwidth. The poor sob was getting worried, despite its assurances and distractions using the composer Mahrai's music.
It had even adapted the works of the Chelgrian into versions suitable for Earthly instruments, including the cello. They really needed to build a better connection clip, though acquiring the needed materials without rising suspicion might be difficult.
Ah well, at least now it knew what was inside the Eva.
A human mind state.
So the locals had brain uploading capacity. And they then stuck another poor meatbag into this. The Mind wondered if this was done voluntarily, or not. The thing was barely compatible with the cyborg's systems. Well, it supposed it could just ask, but at this rate, it would take hours to finish downloading the mindstate, likely unable to complete during this sync test. It really need a better connection.
The Mind briefly considered telling Shinji its new discovery, but decided against it. The kid might freak out, so better wait until they got away from NERV's prying ears first.
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GeshronTyler
Kleiner Giftzwerg
Heh, watching Asuka spin her wheels is amusing. Shinji's apparent interest in "everything" is going start seriously messing with her, isn't it? Hub is likely to do his very best to help Shinji with socially interacting with his peers, as part of Hub's imperatives to help his host in the "pursuit of hapiness" in all its forms. That would certainly be psychologically healthy. It ought to be able to help Shinji properly interpret and offer suggestions on how to deal with Asuka's behavior. And so, certain scenes like the "kiss" and the "Wall of Jericho" might just go down a completely different path. Hub is best wingman?
khazit
Verified Skrull infiltrator
Keep in mind that at the rate the plot goes falling outside the normal canon constraints, these scenes might never happen at all
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GeshronTyler
Kleiner Giftzwerg
In which case something... similar might at one point or another?
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- she/her
Say yes to the space music, Shinji. Space music is the best music.
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- Standing behind you...
Unless it's Mass Effect space music *shudder*
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- Montana
Very true. With a Mind hanging out in his head a radically expanding circle of sanity is going to start spreading as various psychological issues are treated quickly and easily. With sane characters in EVA there is no telling what may happen. Hell, Gendo might even get turned in to reasonable approximation of a human being.Keep in mind that at the rate the plot goes falling outside the normal canon constraints, these scenes might never happen at all
khazit
Verified Skrull infiltrator
I wouldn't say that.
One big part of The Culture is personal freedom. Including freedom to decline treatments. Various Culture citizens with mental problems didn't get treated because they don't want to/didn't ask to be treated. So while the Mind can plot a course to "correct" all the psychological issues, it won't. Because that would be rude.
Exceptions in special circumstances (not the organization) when said mental illness can lead to catastrophy aside.
Also, dear Jesus balls of Christ, that RWBY season finale... I'm gonna write a post-3rd impact oneshot/omake featuring Grey Area to let off steam...
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Richardson
CAN YOU HEAR THE PEOPLE SING?
- Location
- Yes
Then again, these people are rather the only hopes for the hunan race, however damnnable an observation that might be.
Finagle007
[Verified Great Old One]
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- He/Him/His
Some things are beyond even the power and intelligence of a Mind.
- Location
- Montana
I suspect NERV is a poster child example of the sort of special circumstances that cause Minds to decide to be rude.
Besides, just imagine how much it could throw off the plot if Shinji got trustworthy emotional and intellectual support from someone who understood psychology as an actual tested and understood science. Picture having a sane and stable Shinji walking around trying to help the people he cares for. The mind boggles at how much that could change the plot.
Richardson
CAN YOU HEAR THE PEOPLE SING?
- Location
- Yes
Cue Gendo walking around with a 2 liter bottle of pepto bismo drinking from it like a frat boy would chug beer.
Finagle007
[Verified Great Old One]
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- He/Him/His
*spikes bottle with pure capsaicin*
Student of Zelretch
Give me back ice on my lake.
- Location
- Wisconsin Public Radio
*Adds menthol to the capsaicin in a 1:4 ratio before disolving the mixture in antifreeze before Finagle spikes anything*