You Are (Not) at Fault

Should this story start on Shinji's chapter (chapter 2) or Asuka's chapter (chapter 3)?

  • Shinji

    Votes: 23 44.2%
  • Asuka

    Votes: 19 36.5%
  • Either

    Votes: 10 19.2%

  • Total voters
    52
  • Poll closed .
I can try to hurry through the rest of what's written prolly by...Thursday? If there's something you still need hashed out on a technical level, I can try to help out then.
Heh, no rush. I'm mostly worried about having to try and explain what's medically wrong with Shinji soon. I'm fairly sure nothing like his current condition exists in reality.

Not to mention that I will eventually have to write stuff about the Evas. Backflowing whatevers and psychograph thingies. Ugh.
 
Heh, no rush. I'm mostly worried about having to try and explain what's medically wrong with Shinji soon. I'm fairly sure nothing like his current condition exists in reality.


I think you can just say he's suffering from an atypical case of PTSD and depression induced Catatonia. A real health professional would likely wince, but god knows there's far worse examples of psudo-psychiatry out there.
 
I think you can just say he's suffering from an atypical case of PTSD and depression induced Catatonia. A real health professional would likely wince, but god knows there's far worse examples of psudo-psychiatry out there.

Well, Ritsuko's the only one in canon that would actually bother to go into detail, but almost noone else would understand her besides Maya (and possibly Asuka, depending on her degrees).

Is Ritsuko actually a full on medical doctor? For being the chief scientist of NERV and the one in charge of the Evas she seems to get used a hell of a lot in hospital scenes.
 
Heh, no rush. I'm mostly worried about having to try and explain what's medically wrong with Shinji soon. I'm fairly sure nothing like his current condition exists in reality.

Not to mention that I will eventually have to write stuff about the Evas. Backflowing whatevers and psychograph thingies. Ugh.

Yeah, I try to avoid "going there" with technobabble wherever possible. How much of Eva's technobabble do we actually know and understand? I'd wager not that much really. Build up stuff that's logical and understood, or avoid it as much as possible in my opinion. Unless purposefully opaque technology is what you want (I suspect not, though).

Well, Ritsuko's the only one in canon that would actually bother to go into detail, but almost noone else would understand her besides Maya (and possibly Asuka, depending on her degrees).

Is Ritsuko actually a full on medical doctor? For being the chief scientist of NERV and the one in charge of the Evas she seems to get used a hell of a lot in hospital scenes.

Yeah, I was writing something the other day and realized, wait a minute, it makes no sense for Ritsuko to be in charge of both the Eva and the pilots' health.

Nerv as a whole runs with far too few people to make sense, once you think about it a bit. It probably helped save some animation budget, though.
 
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Is Ritsuko actually a full on medical doctor? For being the chief scientist of NERV and the one in charge of the Evas she seems to get used a hell of a lot in hospital scenes.
She's got to have at least some basis in medicine, considering the Eva's are really cyborgs and the MAGI's organic brain components. She's also pretty much the world expert on Angel-related phenomena, so anytime the Pilots get hurt she's got to be involved too.

Having her be the go-to medical doctor for them is probably just a 'conservation of characters' thing, though.
 
Yeah, I try to avoid "going there" with technobabble wherever possible. How much of Eva's technobabble do we actually know and understand? I'd wager not that much really.

Yeah, but the thing with Evangelion technobabble is that it's technobabble even within universe, designed to hide the fact that what NERV is really doing is helping cause a controlled extinction of the human race for...reasons. :rolleyes:
 
Damn, pretty sure I jinxed myself by saying I was on a roll. I was all set to do the next section when there was a disturbance in the neighborhood bad enough for me to call the cops. As a result my dreams have been messed up the past couple of nights and I kinda lost track of the story. Hopefully I'll have the next piece out within a day or two.
 
Is Ritsuko actually a full on medical doctor? For being the chief scientist of NERV and the one in charge of the Evas she seems to get used a hell of a lot in hospital scenes.
Cross-post!

"Hi, Doctor Akagi. I'm not feeling well today."
"Have a seat Shinji and we'll take a look. Now open your mouth and say Aaaa. Hmm, yes, mucus, redness. It looks like you've got the flu. Have you been updating your antivirus?"
"That figures, I... Have I been what now?"
"Shinji, this is a serious matter. Without an adequate antivirus and firewall your system could be exposed to all kinds of bugs. Imagine if you were in the middle of a battle with an angel and you started spewing pop-ups?"
"I-I'm pretty sure humans can't do that."
"That's what they all say. The next thing you know they're speaking in LOLCat. I'm gonna prescribe you 30 cc of Eset. Hmm, maybe some Norton too, but only for a short while. It's much too aggressive for regular use."
"That doesn't even make sense. Look, are you sure you're a real doctor?"
"Of course I am! It says so on my informatics diploma. Now hold still," /grabs defibrillator, "I'm going to try turning you off and on again."

I think the show's actually relatively good about this. We never really see Ritsuko doing anything beyond her field as head of project E and caretaker of the MAGI. That includes maintaining the dummy plug but nothing more IIRC. They presumably have dedicated doctors for actual doctoring. The manga pushes her into omnidisciplinary scientist ground by having act as a doctor and a nurse to Rei and being explicitly the one that keeps her alive. Then the fanfics took over and just ran with it.

Anyway, one thing that stood out to me in the previous snip is that Asuka doesn't really have that much reason to hate Ritsuko, except in a general 'You're a shitty person' sense. Of all the main cast Ritsuko has done the least to antagonize her and Asuka has generally been out of the loop in regards to an Ritsuko related drama. Maybe she's seen or has been told of Ritsuko's crimes in Instrumentality, but that's still a few steps removed from personal. Of the present characters Misato has by far the most reason to be angry at the Doctor, so her just standing there wondering what's going on while Asuka takes it out on Akagi seems a bit off.
 
Of all the main cast Ritsuko has done the least to antagonize her and Asuka has generally been out of the loop in regards to an Ritsuko related drama.

Ritsuko DID try to drop nearly a thousand nukes on Shinji. There's also the fact that (right now) Asuka believes Ritsuko saw the pilots as literally nothing more than... car keys for the Evangelions. And let's not forget that she basically sat back and watched them both fall into suicidal and near-suicidal depression, and didn't lift a finger except to maybe bitch at Misato to make them snap out of it.
 
Ritsuko DID try to drop nearly a thousand nukes on Shinji. There's also the fact that (right now) Asuka believes Ritsuko saw the pilots as literally nothing more than... car keys for the Evangelions. And let's not forget that she basically sat back and watched them both fall into suicidal and near-suicidal depression, and didn't lift a finger except to maybe bitch at Misato to make them snap out of it.
N2 mines, there's a difference.
 
Chapter 9.3
I said 'nuke' because I didn't feel like typing out 'N2 mine'. I probably should have though. Anyway, Shinji was still in danger. I remember it being mentioned that while Unit-01 itself would survive 992 N2 explosions (how?!), Shinji would be killed by them. I can't remember if it was due to 'radiation' or something else that the N2 mines output though.

If someone can suggest better ideas for the meals I mention, please go right ahead and yell at me for screwing up Japanese meals.

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Chapter 9.3

The major caught up to the two former pilots at the bottom of the stairs. Asuka was sitting against a wall muttering to herself and occasionally glancing sidelong at Shinji, who was staring blankly at the same wall. It had been a little tricky for Asuka to get him to safely descend, as the boy originally ignored the steps completely. Only Asuka's quick reflexes had prevented Shinji from tumbling down the stairwell.

"So... Shinji's mobile, sort of," Misato remarked as she sat down beside the Second Child.

Asuka grunted in response. "Mmm."

"And one of the first things you did was make him slap Doctor Akagi."

"Mmm."

Misato sighed. "Do you want to talk about why you made him do that?"

"Not right now..." Asuka mumbled. "She knows what she did anyway."

The sound of footsteps echoing in the stairwell ended their conversation. Makoto and Shigeru reached the ground floor first, followed shortly after by Ritsuko and Maya. The scientist had, figuratively, put her foot down about using Maya as a crutch any longer. While her ankle still ached, Ritsuko pronounced herself fit enough to make the journey under her own power.

"Let's go. We can't afford to waste any more time," Ritsuko declared. Asuka got to her feet and brushed herself off, before gripping Shinji's arm and tugging him along after her as the group set off for the school.

The trip was made in almost complete silence. Everyone was either staring directly ahead or downcast while the oppressive quiet of a dead city seemed to press in on the group. Nobody felt like making any more noise than absolutely necessary, not even a quiet clearing of the throat.

It was only when they reached the Tokyo-3 First Municipal High School and stepped inside the main entrance that the silence was quietly broken. Because the school was the only one for the entire city, it was much larger than it would have needed to be elsewhere. Misato took charge, splitting them into three groups to search for the entrance to the emergency shelter.

Despite her assignment, Asuka wandered up to the second floor of the school. Shinji seemed to have learned to traverse stairs, so Asuka was able to move much quicker and was soon in front of the entrance to Class 2-A.

Asuka let go of Shinji's arm and slowly walked to her desk, collapsing into the school chair. The room was almost exactly as it looked the last time the Children had been to school. Only a large crack in one of the windows gave any indication of what had happened to the rest of the city. She let her mind drift backwards through time to a point where the class was full.

'Funny, I complained all the time about not needing to go to school, and yet if I had gotten my way, I wouldn't have become friends with Hikari. Mayako was a nice girl too, but hanging around that stuck-up bitch Chihiro wasn't doing her any favours...'

She raised her head and looked towards where Shinji once sat, only to find him actually sitting there. While Asuka couldn't see his face from her angle, he was sitting in the same pose he always used to while at school. Leaning on the desk, head resting on an upraised hand and staring either out the window or at the back of Ayanami's head.

It was a mystery to her why Shinji always did that. He was the one that needed an education most, yet he seemed to spend an abnormal amount of time staring at nothing. At least he never missed out on his homework though, unless piloting got in the way, but even then Shinji found a way to quickly catch up. Must be why he spent so much time in his room.

"Asuka."

Asuka nearly jumped out of her skin at the sudden voice intruding on her thoughts. Her eyes darted around the room for a moment, before she realised that it came from from her radio. She fumbled around herself for a moment before locating the radio and bringing it up to her mouth.

"I'm here, Misato. Did you find the entrance?"

"Affirmative. We're going to take a lunch break in the canteen before we go underground. We need to see if we can get Shinji to eat something. You dragged him out of the house before we could try and give him some breakfast."

"Alright, I'm on my way."

Asuka clipped the radio back onto her pants as she rose to her feet. She slung her bag back on her shoulder and walked to the front of Shinji's desk, bending over to look into his eyes. They were still blank, but moving slightly.

"Daydreaming as well, huh? Hope it's something nice this time," she said, half to herself. "Well no time for that, let's go have lunch."

She gently pulled Shinji out of his seat and towards the door. As she reached the entrance, Asuka stopped for a moment and looked back at her desk. After telling Shinji to wait, the girl ran back to her desk and lifted the lid. A box was retrieved from within and was cradled in her hands for a moment as she smiled slightly at the back of Shinji's head. It was then stuffed into the bottom of her pack, and Asuka once more took hold of Shinji's arm and led him towards the cafeteria.

When she arrived, the rest of the group looked up and nodded a greeting to her. The redhead guided Shinji to a spot next to Misato, before sitting down on the other side of him. Lunch was produced from Shigeru's bag and handed out, and the rest of them tucked in while Asuka stared at Shinji's portion, trying to work out how to feed him.

Before leaving the apartment, Maya had gone through their small stockpile of food and found a large amount of dried soup mix. This had been quickly cooked up and doled out into bento boxes.

'Well, can't hurt to try,' she thought before placing it in front of him and saying, "Shinji, eat this."

For a moment it looked like Shinji had not heard her, but then his head tilted down towards the bento. Instead of picking up the spoon next to it, he simply dunked his fingers into the warm broth. Asuka had to yank Shinji's hand out of the soup, lightly spattering her own face with the liquid. Someone handed her a tissue, which she used to wipe her face and his fingers before she shoved the spoon into Shinji's hand.

This time, the boy seemed to know what to do, and slowly brought a spoonful of soup up to his mouth. Asuka watched him closely for a moment, then turned to her own lunch, satisfied that he was now eating.

"Keep an eye on Shinji," Ritsuko warned. "If he hasn't eaten anything in a long time, his stomach will have shrunk. Don't let him have too much at once."

The warning was mostly unnecessary. Shinji ceased his robotic arm movement after only consuming about two-thirds of his meal. A little while later, everyone had finished their meals and packed up. Maya retrieved Shinji's bento and sealed it, before taking a close look at his face.

"He may not have eaten a lot, but he's already looking much better," she remarked happily.

Asuka glanced sideways at him as they left the canteen, and silently agreed with the young woman. Colour was slowly starting to return to Shinji's face, which had been rather pale ever since his rescue.

They headed towards the steel doors barring the entrance to the school's emergency shelter and stopped in front of them. While Shigeru and Makoto got to work pulling the doors open, Ritsuko turned to face the group.

"I hope you haven't left anything behind, we might not be coming back up here for a while," she said. "If we're out of luck, it's going to be a long trip from here to NERV's medical wing."

Asuka patted her backpack where the box from her desk was now stashed. She had everything she needed for now. The doors finally opened, accompanied by the sound of protesting mechanisms. Misato flicked on her flashlight and took the lead into the darkness beyond.
 
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I'm guessing a picture of her Mother.

Could be, but why would she keep a picture in her school desk? Wouldn't it make more sense for it to be in her room?
I'd say a Bento box, but I'm a bit doubtful.

A box was retrieved from within and the lid opened slightly. Asuka closed her eyes and inhaled deeply, then glanced towards the door and smiled slightly at the back of Shinji's head.

Because if it was a Bento box and it just spent an indeterminate amount of time in her desk, I don't think it would smell particularly well.

We'll find out eventually, I suppose.
 
Ritsuko DID try to drop nearly a thousand nukes on Shinji. There's also the fact that (right now) Asuka believes Ritsuko saw the pilots as literally nothing more than... car keys for the Evangelions. And let's not forget that she basically sat back and watched them both fall into suicidal and near-suicidal depression, and didn't lift a finger except to maybe bitch at Misato to make them snap out of it.
Well, like I said, that falls under a general actions and being a shitty person, whereas the narrative seems to treat it as some personal enmity between Asuka (And through her Shinji) and Ritsuko. Misato asking what the hell that was all about misses the point because Misato has actually witnessed most of Ritsuko's crimes and knows a lot better than Asuka what Ritsuko deserves.

Good snippet otherwise.
 
All right, gonna do all over chapter 7 (4 parts) here.

(7.1)

Asuka immediately starting putting food and drink into the bag, before Misato stopped her by dropping one of the blankets on her head.

Immediately started.

(7.3)

"Hmm... no. It's a nice idea, but he's sure to know that he'd run into us eventually there. It needs to be a quiet and secluded place where nobody would go. Some place like..." Misato stopped and her eyes widened as inspiration struck. "The overlook!"

So you have Misato explain the significance of the overlook, and then we go to the overlook. You could, in principle, have Misato say, "I have an idea where he might've gone," and then just take us to the overlook. Maybe just throw away one or two lines of Misato explaining to Asuka what it means.

"Mama, I... I never got to say goodbye to you. Your heart and mind were stolen by Unit-02. When we finally found each other again, I still didn't get the chance. We both died fighting to our last breath. And when we finally met face to face, you were in such a hurry to get me to return and save Shinji that neither of us had the chance. But now I can-" Asuka stopped as she looked down into the crater. She whirled around to face Misato with a pale look on her face.

"Asuka? What's wrong?" she asked as Asuka frantically waved her over. Misato trotted to the edge and looked down.

"Look down there! What do you see?!" Asuka demanded.

Misato carefully took in the view beneath them and slowly answered. "I see... the Geofront. It's been devastated by the attack. There's wrecked JSSDF vehicles down there. Even the destroyer in the lake is gone. What am I look- ...oh." It quickly dawned on her that there was a very large, very important detail that she couldn't spot. The entire reason they had come to this place.

You're occupying this perspective that's outside any one person right now--neither Misato's nor Asuka's. I think it's something you've leaned on for a while since Asuka and Misato found each other.

Here, Misato describes in dialogue what she sees, and we don't directly see it. It's as though the camera is on Asuka and Misato's faces and we never see the lack of a Unit-02 down there. That feels a little unnatural to me.

I think you'd stand to benefit from having more of what's going on described through narration--including the significance of things, not just what's actively going on. I just think it's better to reserve dialogue for things that are important to pay attention to and important for the characters to communicate. A lot of what Asuka and Misato say to each other, in terms of what we see them say, seems to take up a lot of time for nothing new really being said, you know?

(7.4)

Despite the scream sounding like it had originated further along the lip of the crater, it also sounded as if Shinji had been right next to Asuka. Without a word to Misato, she dropped her pack and dashed off in the direction it had come from. She could still hear the scream echoing in her ears as she ran over and around the rubble.

I think you're trying to say it sounds close and distant all at the same time. How so? In what way?


This passage does a better job of using narration, I will say.

"No, the rescuer wasn't even human," Asuka said. "In fact, if my guess is right, we were saved by an Angel."

Okay, let's recap here. Asuka and Shinji are about to fall, and they're saved. The way you have it structured, we cut away from Asuka about to lose her grip to her being safe.

To be honest, it didn't even occur to me at the time that something supernatural or strange had happened. I just assumed Asuka managed to pull it off somehow. Then, you have Asuka explain that it was an Angel (which they both come to the conclusion it was Kaworu, and they immediately start to try figuring out why).

I would do this somewhat differently, I think. Again, you end up with Asuka describing what happened in dialogue, which reduces the immediacy and vividness of what's being described. I would just go for it: show Kaworu saving her.

I would also cut down on this post-event analysis. Once it's clear to Misato who saved Asuka, everything else that establishes his identity is unnecessary. We already know all this.

Moreover, since Asuka and Misato can only just go, "Hmm, that was weird," it makes for a difficult transition into trying to find a way back home. I would consider having Asuka not even discuss that Kaworu saved them until after that issue is dealt with, honestly. It's important that issues be discussed in a progression that can move forward, and there's just nowhere to go with the idea of Kaworu being alive. Not now. It'd be a good place to end an installment, though, as then you can change subjects easily.

"But I do not want to win by default," the boy answered with a smile. "It would be a hollow victory and prove nothing. Your children must fight mine at their best. Anything less is unacceptable."

So, would you take the position that the Kaworu who appears in Shinji's mind during EoE isn't Kaworu/Adam at all? Because that one seems to encourage Shinji to reclaim his reality. It seems odd, to me, that Adam and Lilith would be at odds with each other right now.

The eyes of Lilith turned blank as she saw something beyond the sight of either of them. "Even here, I cannot see into his mind anymore. That is unfortunate. I can only sense indistinct snatches of pain and grief. All I can do now is pray that I have done enough to aid him." She sighed heavily and began to float away. "We should return now. Our forms can no longer maintain permanent stability outside of the Sea, and I know that your rescue effort has taxed you greatly."

Rei could do many things. Sighing is not one I imagine, really.

Lilith is saying things to Adam that he should not need explained to him--he should know well enough he can't sustain form outside the Sea very well. This is information you should try working in more elegantly, and probably in narration.

Moreover, Lilith's remarks about not being able to see much of Shinji's mind any longer doesn't seem to follow as a response to Adam's remarks.

I'm surprised that their bodies are "corporeal" or flesh and blood in any such sense. They're not alive the way regular human beings are. They're...manifesting their presences from the ocean, right?

I'm also puzzled that Adam doesn't seem to acknowledge or respond to Lilith's gratitude. It makes it seem like the last paragraph doesn't follow.


Overall: things are ramping up, with more revealed about Lilith's intentions and the battle with Adam. You've done a good job helping reveal the conflict slowly and over time, keeping things grounded.

Still, I think sometimes you give too much away, too directly, and you put descriptions and exposition in the characters' mouths too often.


I'm gonna catch up on this, eventually...
 
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