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like I said before we will make up the PC during the turn, and we won't need it for the turn given the PC bonus does not effect NASP worlds or anyone outside of the imperium.
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Forgothrax
Not Going Gently
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I fixed it.
Two to four hours would be best. 8 hours wouldn't work because you often update daily. It hasn't been an hour yet and there are six votes and we're about to move to a second new page since the update.
Not wanting to run a deficit in our Sector Budget isn't a waste. I don't want to spend 11 wealth a quarter on a navy ship plus 4 more on our lifestyle. Not when there is so much more we can spend Wealth on like mercenaries, intelligence operations, private ships and more.
I must say, I am concerned at the lack of marines...
@Packrat: Could we requisition the two strike cruisers and just transfer over the crews of the Hawk and Harpy to each?
Why the heck are you spending on sector budget when only a few days ago you were arguing against my investing in sector budget because it might be cheaper once we have Share?
I'm pretty sure we're getting Share if we win this next fight. Why not wait until then to raise the sector budget?
We can strip crews from other ships or spend wealth to give them better crew ratings.
I'm not sure if it's worth it, but we can do it.
(Also, if we requisition all 3 ships, the Strike Cruisers only cost 25 PC each - not sure if it's worth getting, but that IS really cheap for a pair of really nippy ships.)
fasquardon
@Packrat: Could we requisition the two strike cruisers and just transfer over the crews of the Hawk and Harpy to each?
Why the heck are you spending on sector budget when only a few days ago you were arguing against my investing in sector budget because it might be cheaper once we have Share?
I'm pretty sure we're getting Share if we win this next fight. Why not wait until then to raise the sector budget?
We can strip crews from other ships or spend wealth to give them better crew ratings.
I'm not sure if it's worth it, but we can do it.
(Also, if we requisition all 3 ships, the Strike Cruisers only cost 25 PC each - not sure if it's worth getting, but that IS really cheap for a pair of really nippy ships.)
fasquardon
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Vote for my plan then, I am not increasing the budget and we get a share.
ummm why would we want more crappy light cruisers that are just slightly faster and with 1 more point of marines instead of a capital ship? I mean... what?
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Personally, I want the strike cruisers. That'd give us a fleet of the following, if I'm not mistaken:
1 BC
4 CA
3 CL
1 FL Corvette
4(?) Patrol Cutters
Which I think gives us the guns, communication, and flexibility we need to fight these assholes.
1 BC
4 CA
3 CL
1 FL Corvette
4(?) Patrol Cutters
Which I think gives us the guns, communication, and flexibility we need to fight these assholes.
Forgothrax
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CrackedCosmonaut
I am not angry.
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Could we just send a false transmission, that Chuang Mu is falling?
The NASP ships don't have FTL comms
They need couriers to know what's going on.
So. Fake it. We have some NASP civilian ships.
Then go raid another wealthy and unprepared target instead.
The NASP ships don't have FTL comms
They need couriers to know what's going on.
So. Fake it. We have some NASP civilian ships.
Then go raid another wealthy and unprepared target instead.
@fasquardon You will get an option to rush up marine reinforcements at the end of the strategic turn, but there is nowhere training marines in your sector and the mercenaries who were hanging out of Illam are now all dead or in NASP prisoner of war camps on Imhotep.
Right now you have the marines on your ships and the small number you could get from stripping your fleet command headquarters, you already tapped out your reserves to bring the Cirrus up to full strength ahead of your raid.
Also you absolutely can just transfer a light cruiser crew (and marines) onto a strike cruiser. They lose one crew grade in the process, the light cruiser gets the rookies who were forming the caretaker crew for the strike cruiser and drops to Useless (-3)
Edit: @CrackedCosmonaut you do not have NASP codes so it would be difficult but you do have something better than their civilian ships, you have a captured attack skiff. You could certainly look at performing shenanigans there especially if you put Captain Sones or one of your two crazy Subterfuge corvette commanders on the job.
Right now you have the marines on your ships and the small number you could get from stripping your fleet command headquarters, you already tapped out your reserves to bring the Cirrus up to full strength ahead of your raid.
Also you absolutely can just transfer a light cruiser crew (and marines) onto a strike cruiser. They lose one crew grade in the process, the light cruiser gets the rookies who were forming the caretaker crew for the strike cruiser and drops to Useless (-3)
Edit: @CrackedCosmonaut you do not have NASP codes so it would be difficult but you do have something better than their civilian ships, you have a captured attack skiff. You could certainly look at performing shenanigans there especially if you put Captain Sones or one of your two crazy Subterfuge corvette commanders on the job.
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Say it with me, multi-attack bonus. Also if they are attacking the weaker ships, they aren't attacking our heavy hitters. So while losing them might hurt a bit, it gives us more leeway in how much damage we can absorb as a fleet. You send your pawns out first in chess.
I would rather keep our PC above 100 at all times. Plus if the battle goes well the Share will cost less. We can easily get one when we return. Also another reason for committing all the forces we can get to the attack. In chess you have lesser pieces. Even in strategy games you have expendable units. We can't expect 100% victory. I would rather losses be absorbed by expendable ships rather than our Capital or other key ships.
Again the Sector Budget is a waste of time/resources. Either things heat up and we keep making bank off the fighting. Or things cool down and we can reduce the number of ships under our command. The payback time just isn't worth while. Taking prizes/raiding is a far more efficient use of our wealth/PC. Getting more ships with PC to raid/capture is far more cost effective than investing it. Even if things cool down we can sell off our ships to another sector.
That is how I read it and we don't want to strip Command HQ in case of an attack.
Forgothrax
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No, we don't. They have -3 crews and no marines. So their special ability (marines) is useless, and they have no Firepower bonus after crew quality, so it's straight Tactics of captain + 3d6. A BB will utterly shred them, a CL can hurt them, and even an attack skiffs is a threat.
I fixed it. Two levels.
@Packrat is this true? We can't buy veteran marines with wealth? What about transferring marines?
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Yeah and every turn the BB is shredding them is a turn we're shredding the BB. Sacrifices have to be made in war.
Because they are fast enough that they don't hold back the battleship. Those things are as fast as patrol cutters.
Also, if we transfer all the crews from our 3 light cruisers, we can get 2 cruisers at 100% readiness and better veterancy levels than our cruisers.
I think this way is much more effective than wasting wealth on refitting the two light cruisers up to 65%.
(Though IMO, we shouldn't reduce the light cruisers below mediocre - but if we do that, we can still have 2 strike cruisers at mediocre and with actual marines on board and 100% readiness.)
fasquardon
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Exactly. Also there is the possibility of using them to grapple a Capital Ship and then have the crew use escape pods and then explode it to cripple the Capital Ship. Having more pieces to use and options to take is never a bad thing, especially when there is so much riding on the line in this battle. People wanted a battle so time to step up and commit 100% to it. No half measures.
Start voting people. ;p
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[X] Plan: Prepared
Snowfire
Polyglot of Chimera
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Which will still leave the ships at a gross negative, with zero marines leaving them hilariously vulnerable to boarding. Our HC core is enough, going for more, especially with the weaknesses it imparts, is not clever.
@san, we don't need a Share right now, not when we can get one granted to us when we get back for less. Getting a Share now is premature in the extreme, and pushes us far below our safe PC threshold. More importantly, sector budget is vastly important and it wasn't Gunman who was arguing against increasing it. One of the largest parts of the last few days of arguing re: PC has been Gunman, myself and others trying to moderate economic insanity by sticking to our guns on PC expenditure for sector budget. We cannot assume that we'll be able to keep on raking in prize money, not when the NASP does have major reinforcements due to arrive next strategic turn. Also, maintaining a balanced budget in the middle of a crisis, and then proceeding to win whilst doing so, will play rather well with the bean counters back at Fleet Command.
I see someone is willfully ignoring the existence of the KISS principle and the extremely good reasons for it being so prevalent and respected.
Rat King
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What crew levels does this plan leave us at, on a ship-by-ship basis?
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All old ships are the same, -2 on the Battlecrusier and light cruisers we get with PC.
I fixed my plan. 2 levels of marines will go to our BC and we don't end up spending 40 wealth.
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Snowfire
Polyglot of Chimera
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-2 on the strike cruisers and the battlecruiser, as there's no crew transfers being done. It's really unwise.
Snowfire
Polyglot of Chimera
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Something we could do, assuming we have enough available Wealth, is push 16 Wealth at the Sword and one level of crew boost from the Endeavour, leaving the Sword at +0 and the Endeavour at +1. Would that be possible?
Forgothrax
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... The BB is likely going to over-roll them by 15 just by bonus. That's enough to blow them up in ONE SHOT if they roll above average or the strike cruiser rolls low. You're literally advocating for us to spend 50 PC for two ships that will get oneshotted if the capitals aim at them at all, and can't hit the BBs even with multi-attack bonii!