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Gunman said:
@Packrat had originally said we'd get a "slight budget increase" and every time we bought a ship we didn't get a budget increase unless I'm missing something. Why do you think we"ll get the 110 PC worth of Sector Budget to go with the purchase of a battlecruiser? Or do you mean we"ll pay for the budget increase?
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There was clarification today. Until now we've just been filling back up to sector budget levels, from now on we'll get a budget increase of half the upkeep of any ship we requisition with PC. This makes the BC...rather viable at 115 PC total.
Adhoc vote count started by Snowfire on Sep 4, 2018 at 3:33 AM, finished with 2320 posts and 39 votes.
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Gunman said:
@Packrat had originally said we'd get a "slight budget increase" and every time we bought a ship we didn't get a budget increase unless I'm missing something. Why do you think we"ll get the 110 PC worth of Sector Budget to go with the purchase of a battlecruiser? Or do you mean we"ll pay for the budget increase?
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I think you missed this post.

Packrat said:
Also if you buy ships with political capital then you can expect to get about 1/2 of the budget increase required to maintain them in active service, the reason that you have not received this for previous ships is that you were still bringing your fleet back up to the strength it was supposed to be. Remember you had about 1/3 of your ships transferred away before you arrived without a budget cut.
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Given that we're getting a 50% discount on the Sword if we elect to do so, total cost is 100-110PC to get it and have it funded. Apparently it'll only cost 1/4 of value to move between assignments with us which is quite viable too.
 
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Buying a share should definitely be on the table. It adds a lot to our arsenal in terms of soft power and political security. Also I'd prefer to keep Sones as a Chief of Staff rather than potentially lose him in a cruiser action. Easier to take him with us to our next posting, too.
 
Forgothrax said:
Given that we're getting a 50% discount on the Sword if we elect to do so, total cost is 100-110PC to get it and have it funded.
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I did miss that post. Thank you for pointing that out. That saves us a lot of political capital whenever we get a new ship from the Imperial navy. I agree we're better off spending the 110 PC on the Sword of Democracy.

110 Battle Cruiser: -2.3 SB Deficit
35 Light Cruiser + 20 Political Capital for 2 SB: 55 PC, -2.1 SB Deficit
25 Political Capital: +0.4 SB Surplus

Still 170 Politcal Capital except we replace a Light Cruiser for a capital ship. 165 if Packrat rounds the LC budget increase up and we spend 20 PC for a balanced budget. I still think we should get a Light Cruiser to give to Ranca or Sones and make Wison the XO of it or captain of the Fleet Corvette. That gives us two Strategic turns for Wison to shine instead of one. I had asked if we could make Wison or Adald the captain of a cruiser and Packrat said that was too nepotistic because they're young commanders. More light cruisers will only help. Eventually we should buy a private battlecruiser for the benefits that having a private capital ship brings. Maybe we"ll be able to buy the Sword of Democracy at a discount?
 
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Artificial Girl said:
Buying a share should definitely be on the table. It adds a lot to our arsenal in terms of soft power and political security. Also I'd prefer to keep Sones as a Chief of Staff rather than potentially lose him in a cruiser action. Easier to take him with us to our next posting, too.
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Also, the story rhythm of Reinhard being granted share after trashing Chuang Mu/Chuang Mu's fleet over Imhotep is just excellent.

Gunman said:
I did miss that post. Thank you for pointing that out. That saves us a lot of political capital whenever we get a new ship from the Imperial navy. I agree we're better off spending the 110 PC on the Sword of Democracy.

110 Battle Cruiser: -2.3 SB Deficit
35 Light Cruiser + 20 Political Capital for 2 SB: 55 PC, -2.1 SB Deficit
25 Political Capital: +0.4 SB Surplus

Still 170 Politcal Capital except we replace a Light Cruiser for a capital ship. 165 if Packrat rounds the LC budget increase up and we spend 20 PC for a balanced budget. I still think we should get a Light Cruiser to give to Ranca or Sones and make Wison the XO of it or captain of the Fleet Corvette. That gives us two Strategic turns for Wison to shine instead of one. I had asked if we could make Wison or Adald the captain of a cruiser and Packrat said that was too nepotistic because they're young commanders. More light cruisers will only help. Eventually we should buy a private battlecruiser for the benefits that having a private capital ship brings. Maybe we"ll be able to buy the Sword of Democracy at a discount?
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I think the Sword will only cost 55 PC. Which would give us the capital to get a few more ships.

I wonder if Imperial Intelligence would give us a discount on a Strike Cruiser if we gave it to Wison, since her current command is so shot up?

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fasquardon said:
I think the Sword will only cost 55 PC.
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Yes, and it will boost our sector budget by 5.5. We still have to spend 55 Political Capital to break even for the extra 5.5 Sector Budget.

fasquardon said:
I wonder if Imperial Intelligence would give us a discount on a Strike Cruiser if we gave it to Wison, since her current command is so shot up?
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Not likely to happen. We can't make her the captain of a cruiser yet without our officers throwing a fit. After we get her promoted? That would be a good idea.
 
fasquardon said:
Also, the story rhythm of Reinhard being granted share after trashing Chuang Mu/Chuang Mu's fleet over Imhotep is just excellent.



I think the Sword will only cost 55 PC. Which would give us the capital to get a few more ships.

I wonder if Imperial Intelligence would give us a discount on a Strike Cruiser if we gave it to Wison, since her current command is so shot up?

fasquardon
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they are counting in the PC to also boost sector budget to compensate for the OTHER half of its maintenance.
 
[X] Raid Chuang Mu, Again. You can force these battleships off Imhotep if you threaten their home system in greater force.

Edit: Not picking on anyone, this is just a general statement and out-cry, NOT saying anyone is an idiot, just that we need to remember that usually we have a net +10 against even reasonable commanders, which is more than a maxed dice roll.

Can people please stop being fucking pussies as worried about failure than necessary?

WE DEFEATED OVERWHELMING ODDS THIS YEAR!

We fucking have a HISTORY of defeating overwhelming odds.

Any time you think "this is risky" that means you should think "but not risky for Reinhard who literally no-selled pirate fortifications by dodging everything and destroying their shit without taking any damage".

When something is "this is suicidal" THAT is when you think "this is probably best not to do".

Every difficulty setting for strategy or tactics is at least one or two levels lower for Reinhardt. If he was playing Civ5, then he would be able to have a mid tier nation into being able to have a chance against Babylon.
 
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Is it riskier to pick off 3 battleships with 4 heavy cruisers or to raid Chuang Mu again? We had one heavy cruiser and a small handful of other ships take on a strike cruiser and battlecruiser and won because we successfully boarded it. We didn't try to fight the battlecruiser.
 
Gunman said:
Is it riskier to pick off 3 battleships with 4 heavy cruisers or to raid Chuang Mu again? We had one heavy cruiser and a small handful of other ships take on a strike cruiser and battlecruiser and won because we successfully boarded it. We didn't try to fight the battlecruiser.
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exactly, but that was 1 BC and we BARELY won.... I wouldn't trust our odds vs 3 BC's to me that is suicidal unless we have a capital ship on our side.
 
Artificial Girl said:
Can we maybe not call people 'fucking pussies' for having different ideas about what the best strategy to adopt is?
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Sorry if it sounded like it was at anyone, it was more of a request. (I edited the post to make it more friendly).

22 strategy is 12 more than the average solid commander. It's 2/3 added on top of the max potential roll that we always have.
 
Rikimaru said:
Sorry if it sounded like it was at anyone, it was more of a request. (I edited the post to make it more friendly).

22 strategy is 12 more than the average solid commander. It's 2/3 added on top of the max potential roll that we always have.
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I mean, it's directed at everyone who doesn't share your opinion and it's pretty insulting so I dunno how you make that friendlier.
 
Chimeraguard said:
Again, it's three BBs, not BCs. It's even in the Threadmark: Battleships over Imhotep.
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Sorry I should clarify.... ANY KIND OF CAPITAL SHIP!

I am not worried because of speed, but rather because of firepower. Too much danger there unless we have our own. If we do then combating them directly if the best plan.
 
san said:
I am not worried because of speed, but rather because of firepower. Too much danger there unless we have our own. If we do then combating them directly if the best plan.
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The new heavy cruisers are 25% faster for effectively a quarter of the durability and firepower of a battleship. A quarter because of this

Ships facing a vessel in a heavier size category inflict half damage and take double damage in both ranged fire and boarding actions. They also gain half the benefit from outnumbering their opponent.
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Gunman said:
The new heavy cruisers are 25% faster for effectively a quarter of the durability and firepower of a battleship. A quarter because of this
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I don't really see anything disagreeing with me here... Simply put the Capital ships would wreck us.... now with us in a capital ship with 4 HC's in support? I LOVE those odds, screw liking them! ;)
 
[X] Harass. If you combine your ships with those of the newly arrived heavy cruiser squadron then you can try to pick apart the rogue fleet over Imhotep.
 
Our old heavy cruiser is actually 25% faster. The others are 33% faster. Still, both have a quarter the durability. The Endeavor has a quarter the firepower and the others have around a third. Each battleship is equal to three or four heavy cruisers. Effectively we'd be fighting 9 to 12 heavy cruisers with 4. The advantage we'd have is the elite crew of the endeavor and ridiculous strategy. We don't know how competent the heavy cruiser squadron is but we know battleships tend to have bad crew.

The odds makes it challenging but not suicidal. We have the potential to capture a battleship. So would raiding the Chuang Mu system be challenging.
 
Gunman said:
Our old heavy cruiser is actually 25% faster. The others are 33% faster. Still, both have a quarter the durability. The Endeavor has a quarter the firepower and the others have around a third. Each battleship is equal to three or four heavy cruisers. Effectively we'd be fighting 9 to 12 heavy cruisers with 4. The advantage we'd have is the elite crew of the endeavor and ridiculous strategy. We don't know how competent the heavy cruiser squadron is but we know battleships tend to have bad crew.

The odds makes it challenging but not suicidal. We have the potential to capture a battleship. So would raiding the Chuang Mu system be challenging.
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I consider it suicidal given the double damage factor unless we are using a capital ship. The raid however is just a challenge.
 
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