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DarknessSmiles said:
Small peace offering, and their heavy cruisers did help a lot.
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No, it means we're going to keep the junior officer. It isn't a favor towards House Arslan.

[X] Poach An Arslan Squadron Officer. Assign one of the officers from the two heavy cruisers remaining from the Arslan heiress' squadron. Their own senior officers are mostly injured but you could use this to poach one of their better junior officers. They do seem to have particularly good junior officers on their heavy cruiser crews.

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Edit: I will certainly do a ship name vote, though most of these prizes are unlikely to remain in your fleet.
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For the ones we're keeping, including the battlecruiser. We're still talking about what we should rename her after all this time.
 
[X] Poach An Arslan Squadron Officer. Assign one of the officers from the two heavy cruisers remaining from the Arslan heiress' squadron. Their own senior officers are mostly injured but you could use this to poach one of their better junior officers. They do seem to have particularly good junior officers on their heavy cruiser crews.

There's no reason to think those officers have a heavy loyalty to House Arslan and they could hardly be more angry at this point. Might as well get a good officer while we're at it.
 
Gunman said:
No, it means we're going to keep the junior officer. It isn't a favor towards House Arslan.

[X] Poach An Arslan Squadron Officer. Assign one of the officers from the two heavy cruisers remaining from the Arslan heiress' squadron. Their own senior officers are mostly injured but you could use this to poach one of their better junior officers. They do seem to have particularly good junior officers on their heavy cruiser crews.



For the ones we're keeping, including the battlecruiser. We're still talking about what we should rename her after all this time.
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Already changed my vote
 
[X] Assign a Junior Officer. Assign a lieutenant commander from one of your ships who distinguished themselves in the recent battle.
 
[X] Poach An Arslan Squadron Officer. Assign one of the officers from the two heavy cruisers remaining from the Arslan heiress' squadron. Their own senior officers are mostly injured but you could use this to poach one of their better junior officers. They do seem to have particularly good junior officers on their heavy cruiser crews.

The Arslans are going to be gunning for us anyways... let's delay them some more and get ourselves one of their better officers.
 
Rationale:
Lt. Commander Bertson was the guy who alerted us to the three cruisers over Imhotep; his early warning contributed to our first major victory. Given that we want to groom this guy to be a ship commander, his tactics matter more than his strategy and he has pretty high tactics. Finally, I want to break away from our budding reputation for nepotism. It's high time that we began building the officer corps that will enthrone us, and that means promoting commoner officers who have distinguished themselves.

[X] Assign a Junior Officer. Assign a lieutenant commander from one of your ships who distinguished themselves in the recent battle.
-[X] Lt Commander Clase Bertson. Diplomacy 9, Strategy 8, Tactics 12, Prowess 8, Subterfuge 11, Loyalty 9
 
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[X] Poach An Arslan Squadron Officer. Assign one of the officers from the two heavy cruisers remaining from the Arslan heiress' squadron. Their own senior officers are mostly injured but you could use this to poach one of their better junior officers. They do seem to have particularly good junior officers on their heavy cruiser crews.
 
[X] Assign a Junior Officer. Assign a lieutenant commander from one of your ships who distinguished themselves in the recent battle
 
[X] Assign a Junior Officer. Assign a lieutenant commander from one of your ships who distinguished themselves in the recent battle.
-[X] Lt Commander Clase Bertson. Diplomacy 9, Strategy 8, Tactics 12, Prowess 8, Subterfuge 11, Loyalty 9

Perhaps avoid another slight against the Arslan. Also it means we're promoting from our own loyal officer which would get some of the glory, instead of a noble from an house which hate us.

Edit: added Satar's suggestion.
 
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[X] Poach An Arslan Squadron Officer.Assign one of the officers from the two heavy cruisers remaining from the Arslan heiress' squadron. Their own senior officers are mostly injured but you could use this to poach one of their better junior officers. They do seem to have particularly good junior officers on their heavy cruiser crews.
 
kaeim said:
[X] Assign a Junior Officer. Assign a lieutenant commander from one of your ships who distinguished themselves in the recent battle
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kaeim said:
[X] Assign a Junior Officer. Assign a lieutenant commander from one of your ships who distinguished themselves in the recent battle
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whydoyoubother said:
[X] Assign a Junior Officer. Assign a lieutenant commander from one of your ships who distinguished themselves in the recent battle.
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See:

[] Assign a Junior Officer. Assign a lieutenant commander from one of your ships who distinguished themselves in the recent battle.
-[] Lt Commander Clase Bertson. Diplomacy 9, Strategy 8, Tactics 12, Prowess 8, Subterfuge 11

Reasoning above.
 
Satar said:
Lt. Commander Bertson was the guy who alerted of the three cruisers over Imhotep; his early warning contributed to our first major victory. Given that we want to groom this guy to be a ship commander, his tactics matter more than his strategy and he has pretty high tactics. Finally, I want to break away from our reputation for nepotism we've been building up. It's time that we began building the officer corps that enthrone us, and that means promoting commoner officers who have distinguished themselves.
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Is he with us? Your reasoning is valid and I can't challenge it. However, I want that insight from the Arslan officer and getting him our side means we"ll get favorable testimony from someone who should have sided against us. It"ll help protect us and persuade the Governor General to take our side.
 
Gunman said:
Is he with us? Your reasoning is valid and I can't challenge it. However, I want that insight from the Arslan officer and getting him our side means we"ll get favorable testimony from someone who should have sided against us. It"ll help protect us and persuade the Governor General to take our side.
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My thinking is that if they're a commoner, the nobility won't care about their testimony, and if they're a noble, they'll have much more incentive to side with Arslan. Better to start promoting some of the little guys who've done a lot of the critical scouting work that laid the groundwork for our victories. Ultimately nobles have properties, they have assets, they have families, they have too much to lose to easily consent to a change in power. This is a proven psychological phenomenon. On the other hand, the commoner officers have no such ties. You've seen it with Sones. Give men with no hope of advancement a fair shake, and they'll bleed for you, die for you.

Basically nobles of any stripe can find patrons. A commoner officer is entirely dependent on our grace for his high position, and understanding this, will also understand that our downfall is his downfall. How many nobles will give talented commoners command of Battleships and Battlecruisers? Give them not only wealth and honor, but respect? We need to start building the officer corps now to be able to employ them fully in the wars to come.

[] Assign a Junior Officer. Assign a lieutenant commander from one of your ships who distinguished themselves in the recent battle.
-[] Lt Commander Clase Bertson. Diplomacy 9, Strategy 8, Tactics 12, Prowess 8, Subterfuge 11
 
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[X] Poach An Arslan Squadron Officer. Assign one of the officers from the two heavy cruisers remaining from the Arslan heiress' squadron. Their own senior officers are mostly injured but you could use this to poach one of their better junior officers. They do seem to have particularly good junior officers on their heavy cruiser crews.
 
Satar said:
My thinking is that if they're a commoner, the nobility won't care about their testimony, and if they're a noble, they'll have much more incentive to side with Arslan. Better to start promoting some of the little guys who've done a lot of the critical scouting work that lays the groundwork for victory. Ultimately nobles have properties, they have assets, they have families, they have too much to lose to easily consent to a change in power. This is a proven psychological phenomenon. On the other hand, the commoner officers have no such ties. You've seen it with Sones. Give men with no hope of advancement a fair shake, and they'll bleed for you, die for you.

Basically nobles of any stripe can find patrons. A commoner officer is entirely dependent on our grace for his high position, and understanding this, will also understand that our downfall is his downfall. How many nobles will give talented commoners command of Battleships and Battlecruisers? Give them not only wealth and honor, but respect? We need to start building the officer corps now to be able to employ them fully in the wars to come.
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The Governor General isn't the nobility. We have to persuade him, not the factitious noble class. He is going to want our answer like he did every time we returned to Ilam. If it is a noble we take, why would they care? The solidarity between nobles has a limit and we'd be the one making him prize captain of a cruiser.

Gunman said:
PatratLast Sunday at 6:09 PM
Yeah, a lot is going to come down to if you can convince the Governor General that 1) This was totally justified and 2) It is worth supporting you over her very pissed off dad. That said you are probably about to turn up with a bunch of captured battleships which is super persuasive.
I mean the bet case scenario is probably that the Empress is coherent enough to use this as justification to burn House Arslan whilst the other ducal houses are scared enough not to interfere and NASP decides not to attack. Best case that is.
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[X] Poach An Arslan Squadron Officer. Assign one of the officers from the two heavy cruisers remaining from the Arslan heiress' squadron. Their own senior officers are mostly injured but you could use this to poach one of their better junior officers. They do seem to have particularly good junior officers on their heavy cruiser crews.
 
[X] Assign a Junior Officer. Assign a lieutenant commander from one of your ships who distinguished themselves in the recent battle.
 
Gunman said:
The Governor General isn't the nobility. We have to persuade him, not the factitious noble class. He is going to want our answer like he did every time we returned to Ilam. If it is a noble we take, why would they care? The solidarity between nobles has a limit and we'd be the one making him prize captain of a cruiser.
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But that persuasion doesn't have anything to do with the truth. It has to do with the balance of power and whether we can convince the Governor General that we're loyal and that we can give him and the Imperial House victory over House Arslan if it came down to war today. From that perspective, we wouldn't want to do anything that might make us appear shady or untrustworthy, including hobnobbing with a former Arslani officer.
 
Satar said:
See:

[] Assign a Junior Officer. Assign a lieutenant commander from one of your ships who distinguished themselves in the recent battle.
-[] Lt Commander Clase Bertson. Diplomacy 9, Strategy 8, Tactics 12, Prowess 8, Subterfuge 11

Reasoning above.
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I wasn't aware I was so popular that I get quoted twice ;)
 
Satar said:
Rationale:
Lt. Commander Bertson was the guy who alerted us to the three cruisers over Imhotep; his early warning contributed to our first major victory. Given that we want to groom this guy to be a ship commander, his tactics matter more than his strategy and he has pretty high tactics. Finally, I want to break away from our budding reputation for nepotism. It's high time that we began building the officer corps that will enthrone us, and that means promoting commoner officers who have distinguished themselves.

[X] Assign a Junior Officer. Assign a lieutenant commander from one of your ships who distinguished themselves in the recent battle.
-[X] Lt Commander Clase Bertson. Diplomacy 9, Strategy 8, Tactics 12, Prowess 8, Subterfuge 11, Loyalty 9
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I had forgotten about that guy, you do have a third of your patrol cutters with you, I just made a quick roll and you do have him with you.
 
kaeim said:
I wasn't aware I was so popular that I get quoted twice ;)
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It--it's n-not like I l-like you or anything, b-b-baka :oops:

Packrat said:
I had forgotten about that guy, you do have a third of your patrol cutters with you, I just made a quick roll and you do have him with you.
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Fantastic! Also, did you see my post on custom ships? Can we make a custom Ranca-class Carrier that sacrifices armor and firepower for a far larger Marine component?
 
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Satar said:
But that persuasion doesn't have anything to do with the truth. It has to do with the balance of power and whether we can convince the Governor General that we're loyal and that we can give him and the Imperial House victory over House Arslan if it came down to war today. From that perspective, we wouldn't want to do anything that might make us appear shady or untrustworthy, including hobnobbing with a former Arslani officer.
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Yes, but testimony from a former Arslani officer will add a thin veneer of legitimacy to his decision and give him more plausible deniability about his motivations.
 
Gunman said:
Yes, but testimony from a former Arslani officer will add a thin veneer of legitimacy to his decision and give him more plausible deniability about his motivations.
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Hmm...that's true. I get the feeling that this choice is more about short-term benefit vs long-term. I don't think we need the short-term boost that the Arslani officer provides, but I see your perspective. I just want to get away from our nepotistic actions of late and start zooming up our future Marshals a la Napoleon.
 
[X] Assign a Junior Officer. Assign a lieutenant commander from one of your ships who distinguished themselves in the recent battle.
-[X] Lt Commander Clase Bertson. Diplomacy 9, Strategy 8, Tactics 12, Prowess 8, Subterfuge 11, Loyalty 9
 
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