It still causes a split in the community. Any question you answer will have to be immediately be posted here to prevent a rift in what knowledge is available to players. I've seen discord only add issues and encourage people to form more cliques or get more mean spirited behind the backs of anyone who isn't on Discord or to them if they're on discord.
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You Are: A sector admiral of a strained imperium.
- Thread starter Packrat
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It still causes a split in the community. Any question you answer will have to be immediately be posted here to prevent a rift in what knowledge is available to players. I've seen discord only add issues and encourage people to form more cliques or get more mean spirited behind the backs of anyone who isn't on Discord or to them if they're on discord.
Snowfire
Polyglot of Chimera
- Location
- Wordcats
The issue here is that, unless that setting information propogates (which is extremely difficult to ensure, let me tell you from experience) all it does is create the same info gap that @Gunman and @Satar are saying it will. Whilst I appreciate your attempt to deal with this problem, it's not the one that's causing your quest issues right now and the fact that you've made no real statement on that matter isn't helping things.
I would not be surprised if a good number of Arrest voters are voting that way out of simple protest for how this storyline with the Viscountess has been run; I certainly wasn't completely unbiased in that calculation.
I definitely did not manage the voting/options very well and will work on that in future, this is my first time running a quest with anything like this level of participation and complexity.
But people absolutely stated that they felt lack of knowledge about the setting and implications was an issue. If somebody wants to know (for example) if Commodore is an actual rank or just a temporary Rear Admiral role for a senior captain? Then it makes that kind of question quicker to ask and answer than me picking out tags from my notifications when after a big update I am getting 150+ of them. I do try and work through those but not necessarily in a timely manner and I would prefer to be able to consolidate answers rather than littering the thread with dozens of individual replies as I am right now.
But people absolutely stated that they felt lack of knowledge about the setting and implications was an issue. If somebody wants to know (for example) if Commodore is an actual rank or just a temporary Rear Admiral role for a senior captain? Then it makes that kind of question quicker to ask and answer than me picking out tags from my notifications when after a big update I am getting 150+ of them. I do try and work through those but not necessarily in a timely manner and I would prefer to be able to consolidate answers rather than littering the thread with dozens of individual replies as I am right now.
- Location
- United Kingdom
OK, let's not get like this guys, like @Packrat said, he's new to this sort of thing.
Packrat, although there's no official rules about it, in general this is how all quests go.
The GM posts a update, he tells people there's roughly two hours before voting commences, this gives time for initial discussion about what people think and let's people contribute to future plans.
After said two hours is up, you open the board and let people know that they can post plans. People who have prepared can post them. In general, depending on the update pace this can go on for 12 hours to however long you feel it's needed before you want to start updating.
At that point, you need to say the vote is closed and post a tally, or if unable to do so ask someone to tally it for you. Whatever plan wins the majority you can then work on the update from there.
EDIT: In terms of a discord, the idea isn't bad if you want to answer random questions about the lore or background detail. I would suggest though if people have questions, they ask you on here and you respond to them in a massive post
Packrat, although there's no official rules about it, in general this is how all quests go.
The GM posts a update, he tells people there's roughly two hours before voting commences, this gives time for initial discussion about what people think and let's people contribute to future plans.
After said two hours is up, you open the board and let people know that they can post plans. People who have prepared can post them. In general, depending on the update pace this can go on for 12 hours to however long you feel it's needed before you want to start updating.
At that point, you need to say the vote is closed and post a tally, or if unable to do so ask someone to tally it for you. Whatever plan wins the majority you can then work on the update from there.
EDIT: In terms of a discord, the idea isn't bad if you want to answer random questions about the lore or background detail. I would suggest though if people have questions, they ask you on here and you respond to them in a massive post
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- Location
- Reno
- Pronouns
- They/Them
[X] Arrest Her. She is attempting conspiracy to treason, broadcast to all ships that she is a traitor then board the Fafnir and take her captive.
My point was proven within hours of the discord existing. @Artificial Girl said "
i mean i made one joke about the proletariat and i'm getting called communist in both quests now
¯\_(ツ)_/¯". Who could she possibly be talking about?
Not two hours in and we already had complaining behind the back of others. Terrafirma has confirmed my concern that discord creates a rift and can lead to a sense of elitism to anyone who isn't on discord because they get to communicate with Packrat in real time "they can still communicate in thread, which might be more optimal. Here less will see it, those who are willing to pop on
on the forums, everybody sees it.
so they shouldnt complain really. Ish"
Drama only comes out of discord. The name should be a hint at what it does. It isn't called Harmony!
The discord is already creating a greater rift in the community and it has only been two hours. If alerts are your problem, I can collect tagged posts of you pretty easily with the wonders of CTRL+F.
Can you answer the questions here? You Are: A sector admiral of a strained imperium. - Original - Sci-Fi | Page 127
@Gunman Right now you are effectively Diplomacy 7, you burnt your political good will on forcing through the massive budget raise despite stringent finances.
Marriage to somebody in the ducal family is potentially on the table if what she said was true, keep in mind that 'prince' is generally for cousins of the Imperial line not just direct relatives, the Governor General as an example.
Marriage to somebody in the ducal family is potentially on the table if what she said was true, keep in mind that 'prince' is generally for cousins of the Imperial line not just direct relatives, the Governor General as an example.
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What would have we been called if we married the viscountess and her father took the throne? Prince consort?
@Gunman That sounds about right, or Crown Prince Consort.
Also something to keep in mind with how I have been having the Viscountess respond, which made it rather awkward for me to write updates to precisely match multiple bullet point proposals - she is not a free agent. She is very, very keen on sticking within the parameters of a plan made by, almost certainly, her father. A father with a demonstrated willingness and ability to kill disappointing heirs.
I did mess up by having two write in options in a row like that without better guidance though.
Also something to keep in mind with how I have been having the Viscountess respond, which made it rather awkward for me to write updates to precisely match multiple bullet point proposals - she is not a free agent. She is very, very keen on sticking within the parameters of a plan made by, almost certainly, her father. A father with a demonstrated willingness and ability to kill disappointing heirs.
I did mess up by having two write in options in a row like that without better guidance though.
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Change your vote if your current vote is to Demand.
Demanding is going to fail because we have a less than 26% chance of passing. Either flatly accept her offer, refuse or arrest.
[X] Accept Her Proposal. Agree with her proposal, you are being healthily bribed and a single share from somebody as influential and rich as her could be construed as her being genuinely grateful for your assistance and skill in battle, a noble gesture from a mentee to a mentor and attempt to influence you rather than outright patronage from her house.
Change your vote if your current vote is to Demand.
Demanding is going to fail because we have a less than 26% chance of passing. Either flatly accept her offer, refuse or arrest.
[X] Accept Her Proposal. Agree with her proposal, you are being healthily bribed and a single share from somebody as influential and rich as her could be construed as her being genuinely grateful for your assistance and skill in battle, a noble gesture from a mentee to a mentor and attempt to influence you rather than outright patronage from her house.
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- United Kingdom
Beating a dead horse here, but like I keep saying, we have no proof, we have no ability to prove anything, and if we arrest her or get her killed, we are not going to survive this unscathed.
I would recommend people simply accept instead of trying to do something stupid that's going to cost valuable lives and ships
Rat King
Izutsumi-pilled
Our best option(s) are to either refuse without taking immediate action (so we can use Sones to help us take her out once we're back in Imperial space) or to accept.
I still believe that refusing allows us the most flexibility; we can always go back and say "we've reconsidered" to her or we can come back when we have the Governor General more firmly in our corner and actually do a sweep.
I still believe that refusing allows us the most flexibility; we can always go back and say "we've reconsidered" to her or we can come back when we have the Governor General more firmly in our corner and actually do a sweep.
- Location
- Somewhere in the stacks
- Pronouns
- She/Her
my vote is already to refuse.
I was looking at the vote here
You Are: A sector admiral of a strained imperium. - Original - Sci-Fi | Page 129
- Location
- Somewhere in the stacks
- Pronouns
- She/Her
Ah, yeah. I changed it on the last page, 130.
Snowfire
Polyglot of Chimera
- Location
- Wordcats
[X] Refuse
-[X] "I have no interest in the words of a mouthpiece with no understanding of the situation before her. Upon this Sector and more the NASP can be broken, not in battle, but by their very nature. I will not endanger the Imperium, regardless of who rules it, by giving them unity in a moment of our weakness. You will obey my orders, aid in the execution of this plan, and then we will return to the sector capital. You know that what is said here will not be recorded by my implants and I have no interest in attempting to bring you down when I have no proof. You will suffer in the court of your peers for your conduct today. That is enough."
On reflection, I can't be bothered with the faff of arresting her, so I'm just going to go with telling her she's not worth our time and that she can either help us and maybe salvage her honour (and by extension her life given who her father is) or she can try and force the issue. Frankly I don't give a fuck whichever result occurs. I'm 3000% done with her and this entire situation.
-[X] "I have no interest in the words of a mouthpiece with no understanding of the situation before her. Upon this Sector and more the NASP can be broken, not in battle, but by their very nature. I will not endanger the Imperium, regardless of who rules it, by giving them unity in a moment of our weakness. You will obey my orders, aid in the execution of this plan, and then we will return to the sector capital. You know that what is said here will not be recorded by my implants and I have no interest in attempting to bring you down when I have no proof. You will suffer in the court of your peers for your conduct today. That is enough."
On reflection, I can't be bothered with the faff of arresting her, so I'm just going to go with telling her she's not worth our time and that she can either help us and maybe salvage her honour (and by extension her life given who her father is) or she can try and force the issue. Frankly I don't give a fuck whichever result occurs. I'm 3000% done with her and this entire situation.
[X] Refuse
-[X] "I have no interest in the words of a mouthpiece with no understanding of the situation before her. Upon this Sector and more the NASP can be broken, not in battle, but by their very nature. I will not endanger the Imperium, regardless of who rules it, by giving them unity in a moment of our weakness. You will obey my orders, aid in the execution of this plan, and then we will return to the sector capital. You know that what is said here will not be recorded by my implants and I have no interest in attempting to bring you down when I have no proof. You will suffer in the court of your peers for your conduct today. That is enough."
-[X] "I have no interest in the words of a mouthpiece with no understanding of the situation before her. Upon this Sector and more the NASP can be broken, not in battle, but by their very nature. I will not endanger the Imperium, regardless of who rules it, by giving them unity in a moment of our weakness. You will obey my orders, aid in the execution of this plan, and then we will return to the sector capital. You know that what is said here will not be recorded by my implants and I have no interest in attempting to bring you down when I have no proof. You will suffer in the court of your peers for your conduct today. That is enough."
- Location
- United States
Her blatant insubordination and refusal to accept surrender are already grounds for her arrest, if not necessarily ironclad ones. Whether that matters down the road is open to debate, but she's very clearly gone way off the reservation here.
And that without even going into the whole "touchy noble honor" thing that's grounds for dueling and killing her in a wholly legal manner, if not without backlash of its own.
- Location
- United Kingdom
As we've been told, she isn't under our command. She is a independent agent with her own fleet. She has no obligation to us. The only thing that she's done wrong so far is to not accept a surrender, and that isn't a crime, just humiliating if other nobles found out.
As it stands, it's our word against hers, and we are just a commoner still, she is a noble and heir to a major ducal household. Her word and influence goes a lot further than ours.
Kufufu
Adequate at best
- Location
- What's it to ya?
[X] Refuse
-[X] "I have no interest in the words of a mouthpiece with no understanding of the situation before her. Upon this Sector and more the NASP can be broken, not in battle, but by their very nature. I will not endanger the Imperium, regardless of who rules it, by giving them unity in a moment of our weakness. You will obey my orders, aid in the execution of this plan, and then we will return to the sector capital. You know that what is said here will not be recorded by my implants and I have no interest in attempting to bring you down when I have no proof. You will suffer in the court of your peers for your conduct today. That is enough."
-[X] "I have no interest in the words of a mouthpiece with no understanding of the situation before her. Upon this Sector and more the NASP can be broken, not in battle, but by their very nature. I will not endanger the Imperium, regardless of who rules it, by giving them unity in a moment of our weakness. You will obey my orders, aid in the execution of this plan, and then we will return to the sector capital. You know that what is said here will not be recorded by my implants and I have no interest in attempting to bring you down when I have no proof. You will suffer in the court of your peers for your conduct today. That is enough."
A random aside comment from Discord discussion regarding military starship crews. I added it to the posts at the start of the thread:
Military starships are extremely expensive and crew numbers relatively small, this tends to mean that anyone serving on a warship is elite to a degree. A capital ship typically has a crew of 5-7,000, down to about 250 for a patrol cutter.
An example of a fairly well armed, industrialised world with a population of seven billion, might have somewhere in the region of 50,000 personnel serving on active warships.
Military starships are extremely expensive and crew numbers relatively small, this tends to mean that anyone serving on a warship is elite to a degree. A capital ship typically has a crew of 5-7,000, down to about 250 for a patrol cutter.
An example of a fairly well armed, industrialised world with a population of seven billion, might have somewhere in the region of 50,000 personnel serving on active warships.