Link doesn't use Ki cyto. We do so we want to keep our stuff in balance.Cytokinesis said:
We are upping mental next turn or it's getting up this turn. Also the higher mental gets the more actions per year we get.walkir said:
Xander [Quest], Thread Fifteen: "Stranger Than You Know," 2.0
- Thread starter Judge Mental
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Walkir
Self-Requested Ban
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- Ruhr, Germany
We are upping it every turn, because it grants more training slots, and intelligence is a lousy dump stat.Nightblade said:
And we are upping Spiritual every time because it'S the best armor against PLE besides not messing up the votes, and I don't think we can manage that one.
Okay first, I don't remember Judge ever saying we would have issue from imbalanced Ki. While I do think we should keep them roughly balanced, I'd like you to source this opinion if you're going to try to shoot down the massively helpful iconic power up we have available based on fearmongering.Nightblade said:
Second, this argument is pretty pointless because I really doubt the Heart Container is going to have negatives associated with it and you seem just to be looking for a justification to getting the Heart of Fire that doesn't exist. Ki isn't physical power, it's the combination of all three things. A Heart Container would probably boost all of them.
Third, based on our Sword Beam being improved at full Ki? Link does use Ki, because that's the same thing that happens when he's at full hearts. Really, either, it is related to Ki, in which case Link uses it just fine, or it's not, in which case it won't be a problem. Link is also so blatantly superhuman that he's probably using Ki Reinforcement subconsciously to ridiculous levels. I imagine a lot of Western style people do it the same way. They may not know what Ki is, but they do know that they are stronger, faster, more durable, and simply better due to their constant training. They're doing the same thing, just without formal Ki techniques.
Ugh, I'm just getting more and more angry about this whole Heart Container thing the more I think about it. Personally I'm starting to think it was one of the worst decisions we've made in the entire quest, if only because the consequences of opportunity cost are so harsh. The Heart of Fire is better than nothing, but even in cases where we've used related magic the Heart of Fire hasn't made much difference in the first place and I don't think it's going to do so anytime in the future except in really niche cases that might not occur. I doubt that Judge would let us change our decision in regards to the Heart of Fire, but I didn't think people would outright object to getting one at all. I mean really?
Cyto I voted for to use the Heart container as an Heart container. Stop fucking thinking I'm against you. Also link uses magic. I am looking for where judge mentioned it. However Ki is made up of three fucking different energies. It's only logical that having them unbalanced would have some effect.Cytokinesis said:
Not really. Also I remember judge mentioning it some where cause someone asked him if you got better at using the other three energies seperately then your control of ki would go up. Also it has affected him. We unlike our teacher can see fucking souls using Ki sight alone. There is a whole bunch of stuff with ki he can't do cause of his terrible spirit energies.earth-destroyer said:
Apologies, I'm just getting really frustrated thinking about this whole thing and it's making irritable understanding now how massive a screw up that was, trading superhuman endurance for minor magic boosts. Also, you're not really making it clear that you're with me talking about how the Heart Container is going to unbalance us. That makes it sounds like you're against ever getting a Heart Container if you're that worried about it unbalancing us.Nightblade said:
And in this quest, he likely uses Ki too. Link generally does not know more than a few spells, and he usually has to talk to a Great Fairy to even get a mana bar in the first place. Passive Ki enhancement makes a lot more sense than a magical spell when he's shown no abilities in that regard.
Logical? No, it's a possibility, but something being made up of three things doesn't mean the whole will get weaker when we have more of one than another. Very likely, it'd just make us better at the one field than the others, which is what logically follows from having more of one type of energy in the mix in the first place. We're also working on separating the three energies to use them more efficiently, so in that case it would matter less and less as we get better.
Then again, maybe it would decrease our capabiltiies, but you're still missing the point about it right now. Why do you think a Heart Container is going to unbalance us? Why are you even arguing this? No one is talking about ignoring Mental or any of the three components, we're talking about the Heart Container we completely wasted because people got enamored of the shiny mystery box instead of taking the solid dependable know huge increase.
Cause if the heart container does up our physical energy too much then it would make our Ki lean towards physical stuff way to much. Also it does affect it. When Ichigo uses ki he hit us and hurt us spiritually. We can see souls using our Ki sight alone instead of having to augment our sight with spirit energy.Cytokinesis said:
Can anyone think of something we might want to say to Mom?
I also do not remember this statement and I was the guy that went through every single post of Judge's in order to find his OOC stuff.
But beyond that, throwing all of that aside, no one is arguing to neglect our other abilities. You're the only one throwing up warnings about something we've all already decided to do. The only reason you seem to have for bringing this up now is that you somehow think that the Heart Container is going to massively detriment us or whatever, and you still haven't either clarified what you meant or addressed the point I made about it not being solely physical.
Can you please stop harping on about unbalanced energies when everyone agrees? It's not relevant to this conversation at all.
There is so much wrong with this statement. Yes, this is true, but you seem to be thinking that it's his great physical reserves that make him have less capabilities. That is likely not the case. It is his lack of spiritual training that does that. It is not a case of physical messing with the other energies, it's a case of him never developing those energies in the first place.Nightblade said:
I also do not remember this statement and I was the guy that went through every single post of Judge's in order to find his OOC stuff.
You are mistaking correlation and causation. Lu-Sensei has good physical abilities. Lu-Sensei has bad spiritual abilities, relatively. You take away from this that the physical abilities make him worse at spiritual stuff. I take away that he doesn't have good spiritual training, somethign he has stated in the past. You are looking for a connection that may not even be there.Nightblade said:
But beyond that, throwing all of that aside, no one is arguing to neglect our other abilities. You're the only one throwing up warnings about something we've all already decided to do. The only reason you seem to have for bringing this up now is that you somehow think that the Heart Container is going to massively detriment us or whatever, and you still haven't either clarified what you meant or addressed the point I made about it not being solely physical.
Can you please stop harping on about unbalanced energies when everyone agrees? It's not relevant to this conversation at all.
Fuck it. Since you are determined to be an asshole how about we do this. Also the hell it isn't. You are talking about doing something that may potentially unbalance one of our primary fighting abilities.Cytokinesis said:
Judge Mental said:
Judge. Does having unbalanced energies affect your Ki. And if it does how does it affect it. Also will having to many heart containers unbalance our Ki.
[x] Let Mom get her thoughts in order.
The thing with the heart container was because, bluntly, people like shiny stuff. And generally improved capability is very useful, but it isn't flashy. Or collectable.
It honestly doesn't surprise me that we then proceeded to ignore it entirely. People weren't voting for it with any notable ideas regarding its use.
The thing with the heart container was because, bluntly, people like shiny stuff. And generally improved capability is very useful, but it isn't flashy. Or collectable.
It honestly doesn't surprise me that we then proceeded to ignore it entirely. People weren't voting for it with any notable ideas regarding its use.
Oh my god. Are you even reading my posts? I said it's not relevant because we agree with you. You're making an argument out of literally nothing. Even if Judge answers in the affirmative it doesn't matter, because everyone is already going for balanced stuff anyway!Nightblade said:
Why are you so stuck on this issue? We weren't talking about neglecting mental abilities, we were talking about Heart Containers. You made a statement that it would unbalance our physical for whatever reason then in the next post contradicted your point by saying you are on my side in regards to that issue.
No I want to use it as a heart container. Just not all of them if it is going to extremely unbalance our Ki.Cytokinesis said:
noahgab1133
Fluffy?
[x] Let Mom get her thoughts in order.
Also surprise surprise. Unbalanced energies do affect Ki http://forums.sufficientvelocity.co...ampion-of-the-world.4464/page-67#post-1110111. This has it being only a third as efficient as the base energy by it's self. So what do you think will happen if you constantly absorb heart containers to the point where your spiritual and mental energies can't reach the same level of your physical. To the point where it overpowers and shadows the other two.
Now that is a good thing. I'm not sure about Lu-Sensei, as she may have reservations about him based on the secrets, but that was one of the points I wanted to make.Krain said:
What does everyone else think about mentioning Lu-Sensei so soon?
Edit: NevermindJudge Mental said:
It probably won't. It's a mystical increase of life force in general, not just physical, but everything all together. Ki is all three component parts. The Heart Container boosts our total life force, which should correspond to all of them.Nightblade said:
Except a Heart Container is not necessarily just physical.Nightblade said:
You are assuming that despite the preponderance of evidence otherwise in the games and in common sense. Ki, in total, is life force. The Heart Container doesn't just make us physically tougher, it increases our life force in total. It should not heavily unbalance us to use it. Link doesn't start losing mental or spiritual capabilities over the games.
Also, that's not the evidence you're looking for. We are already working on separating the three energies with Ki Filtering, which would allow us to ignore the efficiency problem even if it is a big problem in the first place.
Good point about Lu-sensei...Cytokinesis said:
Still, you agree with bringing up getting to meet some of our friends, right?
Judge Mental
Stranger In a Strange Land
OOC: Yes.Nightblade said:
OOC: High physical ability tends to increase available ki, high spiritual ability tends to increase control, and high mental ability tends to allow learning more tricks, faster. Having these abilities "out of balance" isn't a bad thing per se, but it does have drawbacks - high power and low control results in poor efficiency, for example. Then again, having all three aspects in balance carries its own issues - you're not as powerful, as efficient, and/or as well-armed as people who specialized in the appropriate area(s).
OOC: Heart Containers add directly to life-force when used in the normal manner, and life-force is what provides the "power" aspect of ki, so yes.
Edit: Whelp, it looks like I'm wrong here. Apologies then.
At this point, yeah. Something along the lines of Madfish's write in would be good for that. I might quibble about the wording because I'm like that but it's basically the idea I'd want from it.Krain said:
Called it. Also we can flat out get more KI advaiable just by getting better with the energies that make up KI. As seen in this post.
http://forums.sufficientvelocity.co...blame-navi-for-this.4316/page-75#post-1017184
http://forums.sufficientvelocity.co...blame-navi-for-this.4316/page-75#post-1017184
One advantage that Heart of Fire will benefit us in is the familiar ritual where both Earth and Fire magic are going to be relevant.
That said we also don't know how a Container will benefit us, it could well be limited purely to extra health. Remember in the games Link doesn't benefit otherwise from a container, to use charge attacks and such *all* his Heart Containers need to be full whether he has 3 or 15.
As to Lu-sensei we shouldn't bring him up as it's clear he doesn't want to go.
As to Lu-sensei we shouldn't bring him up as it's clear he doesn't want to go.