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Xander [Quest], Thread Fifteen: "Stranger Than You Know," 2.0

Blech, I want to apologize to everyone. Looking back, I got angry and I started an argument and messed up the thread again :(

As penance I'm going to be updating and making the OOC posts list look cleaner for the next bit, so it should be done by the end of the day.
Madfish said:
As to Lu-sensei we shouldn't bring him up as it's clear he doesn't want to go.
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If he doesn't go I'm against going as well. That said, I he was against it, and he said that he would require our parents permission first, but I don't think he outright refused to go.
 
SuperSonicSound said:
Tempted to go with,

[ ] "For what it's worth mum I could probably just teleport to Japan if money is an issue, I couldn't do it before the tournament but watching some of competitors that used magic showed me how to pull it off, either way I won't be going with out your permission Mum just wanted to point out it is an option."

Might be better going with a less specific write in and just keeping the intent of the above.
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*sees all the moaning about the heart container*

Fucking really? :/

It's over and done with months ago. In hindsight the standard container would almost certainly have been a better choice but I think you are vastly underestimating how useful having fire resistance and earth resistance will be in the future.

Fire is basically the most common energy attack that gets used having resistance to it will be very useful.
Judge Mental said:
OOC:
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Am I correct in assuming that we only have earth and fire resistance due to the heart of fire and would not be able to get it with out it?



[X] "For what it's worth mum I could probably just Teleport to Japan now if money is an issue, I couldn't do it before the tournament but watching some of competitors showed me how to pull it off, either way I won't be going with out your permission Mum just wanted to point out it is an option."

Also voting for this.

Edit: Also does acid come under the earth elemental resistance? I think in DnD acid maps to earth which makes some sense but it's kind of an odd duck compared to the other energy types in dnd.
 
skaro said:
I hope we can pass this years soon.

It's almost feel like one year in real life too.:p
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It's been 17 months since Alex started year two of school.

That said I don't mind (much) if it takes another 7 months to finish the year as long as Judge manages to make it as interesting as it has been so far.
 
earth-destroyer said:
Actually fire use is pretty rare in this setting, most people just throw pure magical energy around. Also endure elements would still be better protections, than that waste of a heart container.
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Endure elements gives you no protection at all from damaging elemental spells it just lets you be comfortable is very hot or cold areas.

You are thinking of 'resist energy' or maybe protection from energy

I would also disagree with your idea of pure magic/force attacks being the dominant method of energy usage. Willow ran the full gammut of fire balls and lighting use along side force magic as well but lighting and fire have definitely made fairly extensive appearances in BTVS.
 
UberJJK said:
It's been 17 months since Alex started year two of school.

That said I don't mind (much) if it takes another 7 months to finish the year as long as Judge manages to make it as interesting as it has been so far.
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Well, I don't want to play Alex' high school times in my retirement... ;)
 
UberJJK said:
It's been 17 months since Alex started year two of school.

That said I don't mind (much) if it takes another 7 months to finish the year as long as Judge manages to make it as interesting as it has been so far.
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I think this quest is interesting but I want our alex to pass this year.

Maybe this will be plot point in Alex characther and we can flshback to this longest year of our life.

Like shounen protagonist.:p
 
earth-destroyer said:
Off hand I can think of only 2 people that used fire, Dark willow, and Wesley. So its seems pretty rare. While nearly all magic users, can and do throw around force energy. Likely result of how magic works. Anyone with a source of magic, can throw it around, to throw fire around would require a specific source of magic that allows for that.
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Well off the top of my head we have the sorcerer that hit us with a wave of lava as an example in quest. There are five elemental energies in dnd. Cold, Fire, Sonic, Lightning and Acid.

We have a permanent resistance to two of the five and whilst those resistances right now are pretty minimal this wont be the case for ever. Having resistances that need no maintenance is pretty useful tbh.
 
Judge Mental said:
OOC: Heart Containers add directly to life-force when used in the normal manner, and life-force is what provides the "power" aspect of ki, so yes.
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What other benefits or drawbacks are there in greater life-force?

Edit: Could create a new thread? If this continues we won't be able to properly discuss and vote, again.
 
[x] Let Mom get her thoughts in order.
--[x] While mentally preparing your own arguments
----[x] The kid in question is from a very powerful family, in all meanings of the term. Declining the invitation may have negative consequences on your long-term relationship, which is something to be avoided.
----[x] Your safety will be assured by the inviting family. And they are fully capable of doing so, being very powerful
----[x] You would really like to go, as meeting both the girl in question and other kids from the tournament is something you look forward to.

You guys can completely change the arguments themselves, but I think that adding the "While mentally preparing your own arguments" is worth it, as it focuses Alex on what to do while waiting.
 
earth-destroyer said:
Off hand I can think of only 2 people that used fire, Dark willow, and Wesley. So its seems pretty rare. While nearly all magic users, can and do throw around force energy. Likely result of how magic works. Anyone with a source of magic, can throw it around, to throw fire around would require a specific source of magic that allows for that.
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SuperSonicSound said:
Well off the top of my head we have the sorcerer that hit us with a wave of lava as an example in quest. There are five elemental energies in dnd. Cold, Fire, Sonic, Lightning and Acid.

We have a permanent resistance to two of the five and whilst those resistances right now are pretty minimal this wont be the case for ever. Having resistances that need no maintenance is pretty useful tbh.
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We have confirmation that Fire is the number two most common supernatural attack vector:
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When it comes to mitigating injury, one of the most basic lessons is "don't get hit," followed by various methods of redirecting and absorbing force, so that unavoidable blows which would otherwise be highly damaging end up reduced to stings and bruises. It's hard to do that kind of thing with elemental attacks unless you pull out spells and enchanted items, both of which require investments of time, energy, and other resources that you may not have to spare. Not to mention that Fire - in all its various aspects - is one of the prevalent offensive vectors in the mystical world, second only to supernatural levels of raw physical force. It's pretty common on the mundane side of things, too, for the simple and abiding reason that Fire Kills (Almost) Everything. If it doesn't, you're just not using enough.
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It is admittedly an IC narration rather then an OOC statement but it's good enough for me.
 
We could actually invert the comment about teleportation if we wanted. Try and make our mother feel better by letting her know that if we wanted to come back home early, we totally could, even if having to make multiple teleport hops would be a big pain. Reassure her in a way that doesn't make it seem to her like we'd have reason to want to leave in a hurry, even though that's exactly what we're trying to reassure any worries about.
 
frozenchicken said:
We could actually invert the comment about teleportation if we wanted. Try and make our mother feel better by letting her know that if we wanted to come back home early, we totally could, even if having to make multiple teleport hops would be a big pain. Reassure her in a way that doesn't make it seem to her like we'd have reason to want to leave in a hurry, even though that's exactly what we're trying to reassure any worries about.
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We have greater teleport open to us.

It's a 7th level spell and we can cast it ritually.
 
We might want to open a temporary thread, because it's looking likely that this is going to get to 100 very soon.

Again though, sorry for starting another argument like that :(, especially so close to the end of thread. I apologize to everyone for bringing it up.


I'm not sure what to vote for right now. Right now she is mostly afraid I think, for good reason, and talking about the politics isn't likely to make her feel better. Talking about teleportation is risky; it may help, but it could also hurt. We have to keep in mind that Alex is eight and all the associated risks inherent that his parents are correct to be afraid of.


Here is the OOC list with a few new additions. I tried to clean it up a bit but it was a bit difficult finding good subdivisions for stuff, so I just left it as is for now.


Judge Judy Mental's Rulings: Tidyish Edition​
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Training and Skills​
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General Life Experience, Doubling up on training Prowesses, Alex's subskills, Priorities, Areas where PLE helps, Spiritual Prowess's defence and Mental Prowess, Ki's three parts, Training Power Sense and Gyokuro's Sensing hax, Alex am good at doktor, Alex can tone the lethality of his abilities, F rank skills, Young Trait and Powerful Build, Weapons are good, Alex speaking Zelda languages, Briar, Lu-Sensei, and School as teachers, Alex becoming a writer, Literacy, Briar's priority and more about Mental Prowess for training, Training a PLE resisting skill, What is an F-?, Social skills, Dark Affinity, Countering the totem penalty, Law abiding, Pluses to spiritual and social Prowess are due and why we got a plus to Physical, Knowledge of supernatural creatures, Alex is no McNinja Sr., Increasing speed, How gaining skill ranks works, Not all skills work the same way, Young king is for talking to old people, Powerful Build, Running, Body Flicker, and Ki Enhancement, Fire Affinity and competing Traits, How Main Prowesses increase and the upcoming Social/Spiritual +, Skill gains during the tournament, parkour, and Aura of Power, How Words of Power works, Warrior Born and other outlooks about magic, Powerful Build won't be advancing as much, More Words of Power, Alex's understanding of Science, Having Multiple Teachers and how much left he can get from school, Filial Piety is a yoyo, Filial Piety and Giles, Prowesses and specialties, Dark and Light affinity, Increasing an affinity, What are affinities?, Elemental Harmony?, Alex already got his pluses from the tapes, Concentration and Unseen Servant, Defending monsters as people leads to understanding them better,​
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Possible Futures/What May Have Been​
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Obsolete Rulings and Outdated Information​
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Setting and System​
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No other Zelda Reincarnations, the original threat scale and the Triforce, PLE/Spiritual Prowess interaction, Zelda in the buffyverse, Ki vs. Slayer Mojo, Languages in Hyrule, Power level adjustment, Alex's Boss Title, Threat Scale v2, Exclamation Marks Are Important (Obsolete?), Skill Ratings /= Threat Rankings and various Prowess info, We use Pathfinder, Alex doesn't listen to the news, Demise's power level and timeline shenanigans, PLE advancement, Bonuses and Penalties, Boar = Stubborn, not stupid, Safety of Sunnydale and the tournament, Adventuring gives the best XP, Worshippers of all three Goddesses don't get all the benefits of worshipers of only one, Buffyverse timeline advanced, No Exalted, Gerudo Heritage, Gerudo Heritage 2.0, Vampires are brown rats, How Judge determines success, King Link and his son, Ganondorf really is that bad at puzzles, Judge has an offline archive, Tendency to Fail = Saving Throw, Ability Damage is serious, The Slayer is a normal girl, Bonuses and Penalties again, Bonuses and Penalties again 2: Plus Harder, Training and regen, Bad Ends, Unshakeable Heart vs. PLE, Alex still needs three months to heal, No Dresden Files, Thresholds and demons, Buffyverse demons, vampires, fairies, and thresholds, Bullets and vampires, Keeping people alive, Hit Points and strength of various healing spells, Hyrulean monsters going native​
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Magic, Spirit, Mentalism and Ki​
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Spell Schools, Enhancing Moblin, Alex's magic, augmentation description, Mana reserves and buffyverse mages, Turning into a bird, Does the Hellmouth affect Internal Magics?, Power Ball Tennis, Ganondorf's Necromancy, Levels of Ki Sense, Ki and Divination, Defensive Spells, Pinning Amae and levitate, Alex's divination on Tatsuki's seal, Spells aren't instant, Making mana potions, Alrtria's magic resistance and Alex's energy reserves, Sorceror's and Alex's Aura, 1 Rank ~ 1 Spell Level, Gorn's not a 'Human', Gorn vs. Protection from demons, MP Deathwatch, Ki and magic enhancements stack, Darkness and (no) True Strike, Hammerspace, Making magical items, Ring of Sustenance and misc magic, Fabricate-alikes, Cooperative casting, Alex is no Xavier, Familiar bond needs effort, Familiar Bonds, Fairy dust for familiar ritual, Scrying difficulties, Sensory Skills /= Divination, Fairy Alex, Elementalism and sub skills, Teleportation, Mage Sight Info, Passive mage sight, ki sight and trauma, Components of Ki, Psychic powers, Novelty Cheque as a component, Age spells + looking and listening, Alex and summoning monsters, Recovering energy, Scan = Visual, Synthesasia and Aura Visions, X Control discounts, X Control Discount 2.0,​
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Supplying magic shops, Drink potions whole and no Words of Power, Recklessly used Ki Sense = Unconscious, Alex knows how long his spells last, Total eclipse for the familiar ritual, Bonding with Moblin and the Horse, Hammerspace 2.0, Stonehenge, Hammerspace 3.0, and Horse bond, One ritual per eclipse, Modifying memories, Doppelganger, Shadow Clone, and Simalacrum, Body Flicker, Perfect Summons is not available, Ki Blast, Power Ball drains spells, Cutting off sources of power and modifying wards, Evocation = Elementalism and Flash Bang, Solar Flare, Keywords for Elementalism and Geas, Heart Container works as advertised, Elemental Combinations, Divination spells and Briar, Force Spells, Eschew Components and substituting Power for gold, Summoning a standard sword, Long distance body flickers are expensive, Sands of Time, Hyrule Warrior moves and variants on Sword Beam, Body Flicker and Flight, Body Flicker cost, What does the Eclipse do for us?, Fly and Overland Flight, Ritual magic is as good as it gets, Ki techniques are faster than magic,​
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Alex doesn't have much experience with Spiritual Power, Metamagic, Maximum Power (currently) prohibits Ki/Magic techniques, Maximum Power powers down fast, Body Flicker uses Speed, Hammerspace has a size limit, Shrink is dimensional trickery, Completely seperating Ki's component energies is bad, mkay, Aura and Maximum Power, Alex needs a Spiritual Tutor, Spiritual/Ki Power and Alex's soul, B-Rank = At will Detect Magic, Abrupt Jaunt and cost of scans, How Aura of Power improves, Target controlled illusion, How much time to train a skill, Body Flicker and tackle, Mana Control and Mana Concealment, More Mana Control and the environment, Dark, Light, and Shadow magic, Mana Control on the adult scale, Low level dispels, How long auras last, Ritual components, General Elementalism, Unseen Servants, Permanency and efficacy of the ward, Make Whole on cars and detect magic, Divining disease, poison, and other dangers, No loaning power through the familiar bond and universal spells., Wishes exist, And the Triforce is still the best, Hostile familiars can be bad for you, Nasu wishes, wards, and the Hogyoku, Arcane healing, Arcane healing 2.0, Alex's healing in specific,​
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Religion​
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Friends and Enemies​
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Briar's experience, Briar/Fairy healing, Trust and ninja, Orthrym's descent and Link's tournament chances, RV style vampires are rare, Kahlua's 'Innocence', Romance = No (Becomes obsolete at age 16), Tournament character IDs, Saving Akasha, King of Women, Cordelia's stresses in Japan, Gyokuro's Insanity, King Arthur, and the Beast, Sun Wukong, Ayane has magic, Ayane has magic, Link's Threat Level, Ninja mooks vs. bat swarm, Raidou info, and Bison, Ganon is not Y Ddraig Goch,Alex hasn't noticed girls, Buffyverse vampires aging, RV cast ages, Warlocks and succubi children, Fierce Diety Link, Furinji Hayato, Lyra thinks Psycho Power trumps Hadoken, Furinji Saiga, Talking about PLE is a bad idea., Yoruichi and Flash Step, Briar's tiny wand, Zelda's age, Mortal Combat in 20 years, The changeling's sorceress is hardy, Spacebattles really needs to stop overreacting to perceived slights, Divination Etiquette, What friend ranks are,, Kahlua's age, Kasumi and Ayane's ages, Alex has been too busy to contact his friends, 'Killing' spirits, How his friends feel about Aura of Power, How Aura of Power feels in general, Bringing Moblin to school, Accepting Lu-Sensei's judgement, Lu-Sensei doesn't know Ganondorf's full story, Lu-Sensei's advanced class, More about advanced class, Tatsuki and spellcasting, Briar has mana concealment, Alex's parent's names, Briar has plans for Zelda, Alignment of Mayor Wilkins and the Deathwok clan, Moblin's age, Poes are ghosts, Where's the Genie?, Lu-Sensei knows all about our death duel, The Elder and Ninjas on the Hellmouth, Furinji Hayato, We have Raidou's attention, Commentary on Zelda, Shuzen Hospitality
 
Cytokinesis said:
Here is the OOC list with a few new additions. I tried to clean it up a bit but it was a bit difficult finding good subdivisions for stuff, so I just left it as is for now.
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Why don't you just put that into a googledoc?
 
[X] "I don't know when I'll be able to see my new friends again in person, so I'd like to take any chance to see them."

This is a good argument.
 
[X] "I don't know when I'll be able to see my new friends again in person, so I'd like to take any chance to see them."
 
I'm kind of confused why the dresden files can't be a thing. I mean it's possible for them to be out there. Just not on Alex's earth. After all According to Bob spiderman is real somewhere. Along with star wars. They just are stupidly far in away in the nevernever that you would die before you get there. Of course we can get around that cause our magic allows for long distance plane traveling.
 
[] "I don't know when I'll be able to see my new friends again in person, so I'd like to take any chance to see them."
walkir said:
Why don't you just put that into a googledoc?
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I might in a bit, but Judge did say something about appropriating the OOC posts for his own use.
Nightblade said:
I'm kind of confused why the dresden files can't be a thing. I mean it's possible for them to be out there. Just not on Alex's earth. After all According to Bob spiderman is real somewhere. Along with star wars. They just are stupidly far in away in the nevernever that you would die before you get there. Of course we can get around that cause our magic allows for long distance plane traveling.
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Can we wait till the next thread to talk about this guys?

I know I don't have any room to talk but we don't want to get maxed out so people can't vote or bring up good ideas before the end. We could still open up a temporary thread or something, but I don't know if Judge would like that at all.
 
[X] "I don't know when I'll be able to see my new friends again in person, so I'd like to take any chance to see them."
-[X] mention you can always teleport home if needed.
 
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