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Wormverse ideas, recs, and fic discussion thread 1

Noxturne90 said:
Depends on how heavy you would want to set the idea, and if there is only really one "Class" at a time.
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I like to keep it as only one class and aspect per session, but that's just me. So, one session could have a Knight of Light and a Sylph of Time, and another session could have a Sylph of Light, but you wouldn't have two Knights or two Light players in the same session. If two or more sessions meet and combine via Scratching, of course, all bets are off.

I think that's how you'd have to do it if you actually wanted to translate the plot of Worm instead of just assigning classes and aspects for fun: several repeating interconnected sessions that keeping folding into each other as things go more and more wrong, until someone finally manages to traumatize the Lord of Space (Scion, who's been fucking shit up retroactively ever since Eden the Muse of Time died) into just giving up. It would wind up being really convoluted and weird, but that's Homestuck for you.

Thinking it over, I like the idea of Taylor as a Page of Heart. She starts out as someone seemingly completely insignificant, but rapidly grows into one of the most important people alive. Heart is the aspect of the soul, the self, and she's trying to find her place in the world. She learns from others, especially her enemies, and her grande finale is, in a way, making everyone part of herself.

We don't really know enough about the class to be certain, but after thinking about it for a bit I'm actually liking the idea of Mage for Armsmaster. Pretty much all we do know comes from Sollux "tech support of the apocalypse" Captor, which isn't a sufficient sample size, but it's got me thinking of the class as sort of a passive expert type, highly competent people who do best when supporting others. I'd fleetingly considered Space as an aspect, both for his miniaturization stunts and for balance with my half-baked idea of Time player Dragon, but Mage of Hope would definitely work, too.

Heir of Doom for Chevalier is, in retrospect, a really clever idea and I like it, but Miss Militia as a Heart player seems kind of iffy to me. I don't want to make Dragon a Knight of Time, but that's mostly because I dislike reusing canon classpects.
 
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Is there any crossover fic which just dumps Harry Dresden into the Wormverse as of start of canon and watches chaos ensue? I've seen a fusion, a Denarian!Taylor, but none that are just Dresden having a Bad Time... again. Also IIRC neither fic got further then chapter 1.
 
firefossil said:
Is there any crossover fic which just dumps Harry Dresden into the Wormverse as of start of canon and watches chaos ensue? I've seen a fusion, a Denarian!Taylor, but none that are just Dresden having a Bad Time... again. Also IIRC neither fic got further then chapter 1.
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Harry pointed at Lung. "The fire was his fault."

Armsmaster scowled.
 
I'm not actually sure whether Dresden would be overpowered or not. I mean, at the street level.

He, like almost everyone else in setting, is a speck of dust against the Endbringers, but that's part of the setting conceit, so it'd be weird if he wasn't.
 
The Laurent said:
He, like almost everyone else in setting, is a speck of dust against the Endbringers, but that's part of the setting conceit, so it'd be weird if he wasn't.
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This is the usual state of affairs for him.

I can think of precisely 1 ritual that would kill scion and it still requires access to one of the shards... and shit tons of energy.
 
The Laurent said:
I'm not actually sure whether Dresden would be overpowered or not. I mean, at the street level.

He, like almost everyone else in setting, is a speck of dust against the Endbringers, but that's part of the setting conceit, so it'd be weird if he wasn't.
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I'm not sure he'd really be that overpowered. A lot of that fancy ritual and sympathetic magic stuff required Bob's help to set up, and most of his other spells, he needs to moderate the power, or risk accidentally killing someone and going Warlock.
 
Spoit said:
I'm not sure he'd really be that overpowered. A lot of that fancy ritual and sympathetic magic stuff required Bob's help to set up, and most of his other spells, he needs to moderate the power, or risk accidentally killing someone and going Warlock.
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Oh yeah, I forgot that part. I read a lot of the Dresden stuff, but I've been less enamored lately, and there's certainly a divide between the morality of that 'verse and Worm.
 
The Laurent said:
Oh yeah, I forgot that part. I read a lot of the Dresden stuff, but I've been less enamored lately, and there's certainly a divide between the morality of that 'verse and Worm.
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Unless you look at the villains, at which point it becomes the exact same.

Actually, the guys dresden fights are worse(denarians, mad fairy queens, and fucking nemesis).
 
Noxturne90 said:
Actually, I think Militia fits more as a Knight of Heart. She weaponizes her belief, her conviction, and brings it to bear on those that she feels threatens what she believes in and protects.
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So she forms weapons out of her very soul? That'd be interesting - giving her a sort of Rogue of Void 'I can make anything' except instead of stealing 'nothingness' away from a concept, she forms the concept from her very soul. It still feels a bit Unlimited Blade Works though which I wanted to avoid by instead having her form Superpowered Ghost Army through the power of FRIENDSHIP, but it still definitely works.

Lycoris said:
Thinking it over, I like the idea of Taylor as a Page of Heart. She starts out as someone seemingly completely insignificant, but rapidly grows into one of the most important people alive. Heart is the aspect of the soul, the self, and she's trying to find her place in the world. She learns from others, especially her enemies, and her grande finale is, in a way, making everyone part of herself.
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Oooh. I like this.

I think a Witch could pull off the same thing, but as a ==> RISE: KHEPRI I have no complaints of her being a Page gone hideously wrong or right.

I actually considered Armsmaster as a Mage, but I thought it'd be a little too parallel-y, to have tech support Collin, and tech support Sollux share a class. The temptation to write Collin as a sort-of-crabbier-and-somehow-less-social Sollux would be difficult to pass up, whereas from a writing perspective, Knight Collin doesn't share that particular constraint.

As to MM not fitting a Heart player... I'm honestly not sure what would fit. I can sort of see her as a Void player, the one secretly supporting everyone, but... given we don't have a very complete idea of her backstory, and her feats are not particularly memorable, it's difficult slotting her in based on her role in the story. She could very well be the Protectorate's Space player, and I wouldn't see it as ridiculous for her to be their Doom player either, she shares a lot of parallels with Chevalier. Unfortunately, Chevalier simply fits the Doom role better than she does.

firefossil said:
Is there any crossover fic which just dumps Harry Dresden into the Wormverse as of start of canon and watches chaos ensue? I've seen a fusion, a Denarian!Taylor, but none that are just Dresden having a Bad Time... again. Also IIRC neither fic got further then chapter 1.
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I once tried to start a quest where Taylor and Lisa got punted into the Dresdenverse, but I did not quite understand that a Homestuck style 'the QM chooses from all possible votes instead of tallying them up' would be poorly received.

People were really excited about it while they still had the illusion of control though. Let me see if I can rustle it up...

Well, either SB is down, or it's been blocked again, but if you can access it, it should be over here:

The Khepri Files [Worm/Dresdenverse crossover]
 
FixerUpper said:
So she forms weapons out of her very soul? That'd be interesting - giving her a sort of Rogue of Void 'I can make anything' except instead of stealing 'nothingness' away from a concept, she forms the concept from her very soul. It still feels a bit Unlimited Blade Works though which I wanted to avoid by instead having her form Superpowered Ghost Army through the power of FRIENDSHIP, but it still definitely works.



Oooh. I like this.

I think a Witch could pull off the same thing, but as a ==> RISE: KHEPRI I have no complaints of her being a Page gone hideously wrong or right.

I actually considered Armsmaster as a Mage, but I thought it'd be a little too parallel-y, to have tech support Collin, and tech support Sollux share a class. The temptation to write Collin as a sort-of-crabbier-and-somehow-less-social Sollux would be difficult to pass up, whereas from a writing perspective, Knight Collin doesn't share that particular constraint.

As to MM not fitting a Heart player... I'm honestly not sure what would fit. I can sort of see her as a Void player, the one secretly supporting everyone, but... given we don't have a very complete idea of her backstory, and her feats are not particularly memorable, it's difficult slotting her in based on her role in the story. She could very well be the Protectorate's Space player, and I wouldn't see it as ridiculous for her to be their Doom player either, she shares a lot of parallels with Chevalier. Unfortunately, Chevalier simply fits the Doom role better than she does.



I once tried to start a quest where Taylor and Lisa got punted into the Dresdenverse, but I did not quite understand that a Homestuck style 'the QM chooses from all possible votes instead of tallying them up' would be poorly received.

People were really excited about it while they still had the illusion of control though. Let me see if I can rustle it up...

Well, either SB is down, or it's been blocked again, but if you can access it, it should be over here:

The Khepri Files [Worm/Dresdenverse crossover]
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Oh. That was you?

Well, that turned out to be a bit of a trainwreck, as I recall it.
 
The Laurent said:
Oh. That was you?

Well, that turned out to be a bit of a trainwreck, as I recall it.
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I think I got maybe four updates out before I decided to cancel that particular experiment, so judging it based on in-game events isn't particularly fair. I'm sure I could spin a story out of it, at any rate.

The playerbase, on the other hand, revolted. I hated that quest, and not in a 'oops, I overextended myself and have no creative juice left, way': I'm not sure if it is the quest where I was counting votes during character creation, and someone insinuated that I was trying to rig the vote, but golly gee whiz, beginning to end all I remember from that quest was that it was a complete and utter pain.

Generally a quest will make me more productive, not less, but this was the big exception.
 
FixerUpper said:
I think I got maybe four updates out before I decided to cancel that particular experiment, so judging it based on in-game events isn't particularly fair. I'm sure I could spin a story out of it, at any rate.

The playerbase, on the other hand, revolted. I hated that quest, and not in a 'oops, I overextended myself and have no creative juice left, way': I'm not sure if it is the quest where I was counting votes during character creation, and someone insinuated that I was trying to rig the vote, but golly gee whiz, beginning to end all I remember from that quest was that it was a complete and utter pain.

Generally a quest will make me more productive, not less, but this was the big exception.
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Sounds rough, and I feel for you, though admittedly I don't really like Homestuck style voting. Well, I didn't know that was how Homestuck did it because I've never read it, but I assume that's where it came from then?
 
The Laurent said:
Sounds rough, and I feel for you, though admittedly I don't really like Homestuck style voting. Well, I didn't know that was how Homestuck did it because I've never read it, but I assume that's where it came from then?
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I imagine that Hussie was not the first one that came up with the idea of 'submit your vote, and I will pick whichever one I feel like,' but it's the best known instance.

There used to be more here, but I decided that a rant on quest mechanics and voting styles and board culture is not the most on-topic thing ever, hoho. :V
 
FixerUpper said:
I imagine that Hussie was not the first one that came up with the idea of 'submit your vote, and I will pick whichever one I feel like,' but it's the best known instance.

There used to be more here, but I decided that a rant on quest mechanics and voting styles and board culture is not the most on-topic thing ever, hoho. :V
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There's a thread about Quests in general if you'd like to be wrong about Homestuck versus popular voting in the right thread. :V
 
The Laurent said:
There's a thread about Quests in general if you'd like to be wrong about Homestuck versus popular voting in the right thread. :V
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I'll pass. It's 2016, but given that the whole wdango thread thing happened just last week, I think it fair to say that I've met my quota when it comes to silly debates that somehow inspire a lot of passion and vitriol. Not that I think it was particularly vitriolic, but, y'know, I'm not eager to wade back into a mess like that one.

And with that I declare this particular tangent closed. Please return to your regularly scheduled Worm programming. ;3
 
FixerUpper said:
I actually considered Armsmaster as a Mage, but I thought it'd be a little too parallel-y, to have tech support Collin, and tech support Sollux share a class. The temptation to write Collin as a sort-of-crabbier-and-somehow-less-social Sollux would be difficult to pass up, whereas from a writing perspective, Knight Collin doesn't share that particular constraint.

As to MM not fitting a Heart player... I'm honestly not sure what would fit. I can sort of see her as a Void player, the one secretly supporting everyone, but... given we don't have a very complete idea of her backstory, and her feats are not particularly memorable, it's difficult slotting her in based on her role in the story. She could very well be the Protectorate's Space player, and I wouldn't see it as ridiculous for her to be their Doom player either, she shares a lot of parallels with Chevalier. Unfortunately, Chevalier simply fits the Doom role better than she does.
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I get what you mean, but I think what little we see of Meulin means that you can certainly have some variation between members of the Mage class depending on the aspect and personal details. Even without the obvious difference between Hope and Doom, as long as the parallel stays at 'cranky tech support' I think it wouldn't be overdone. Particularly since we've got Dragon and, to a lesser extent, various other Tinkers also providing that role.

You could get a lot out of the different ways they react to having a passive role: Sollux wanted, if anything, to be more passive than he already was. Can't really blame the kid, given his shitty Alternian childhood and probable clinical depression, but despite his enormous role in setting up the plot he basically had to be dragged into doing anything- he acted because he thought it was the only way to save the world, and when his friends weren't actively in serious physical danger he reverted to doing as little as possible. Whereas Colin is always trying to be more active, more in control. His fall from grace occurs because people were ensuring that he'd never really take center stage again.

Basically, Sollux is a Mage begrudgingly but relatively successfully being a Mage, Armsmaster is a Mage desperately trying to be a Knight and failing badly at both roles. (Defiant is a Mage who's finally started to accept his role and is figuring out how to make it work.) Even when acting as tech support, his methods aren't quite the same- compare Colin fighting back to back with Weaver while they wait for the portal to be opened to Sollux's mobius double reacharound to get the rest of his session into the Medium.

Thinking about it, I see what you mean about Miss Militia- I'm not certain about Heart, but I can't think of anything that would be a clear improvement. So yeah, I'm going with Heir of Doom, Mage of Hope, and Knight of Heart.
 
Lycoris said:
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Oh, well, if it works for you that's great! I'm just going to see too many parallels. Sollux sees doom, Colin builds a machine that lets him see the best hope for victory; Sollux is double doomed, Colin re-invents himself; Sollux saves his friends twice at his own expense, Colin saves his friends, then the world; Sollux retires to ghosttown, Colin retires to capewifedom...

He almost fits the Sollux mold too well.

I feel like Miss Militia should have a great and appropriate classpect, just like Chevalier, but darned if I can figure out which.

I kind of want to plot out a session now.
 
Was thinking about the old "Everyone Peggy Sues" Concept, and got to wondering how Amy and Carol would react to time traveling back to the beginning. Was thinking the changes to Victoria's mind mess up the transfer enough that she doesn't remember everything, and what she does get is vaguely unreal, but what I'm really interested in is how Amy and Carol interact. I mean, for all that fanon Carol hates Amy, she appeared to have forgiven her by the time she got out of the birdcage, and with Victoria restored.....well, I thought it might be interesting.
 
Ganurath said:
Knight of Mind?
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Ooooh, now that I think about this some more...

Someone who uses their decisions to protect others. Someone who protects the right for others to choose their own path. Someone who is all about free will, and doesn't give a rat's ass about fate, destiny, and being double doomed. Someone who took on the mantle of hero because that's what they decided to do. Someone who might not be personally powerful, but is still the heart of the team.

It does fit hand in glove even if Mind isn't the first thing that I think about when I think Miss Militia. I'm sold on this one.
 
FixerUpper said:
I kind of want to plot out a session now.
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If you want someone to beta things and squabble over the details with, I've got some free time. Like I said, if you want to do Worm as a whole, you're going to need a long chain of interconnected sessions. If you only want to pick a few characters, you could get away with just one, or possibly a Scratched pair.
 
Auks said:
Was thinking about the old "Everyone Peggy Sues" Concept, and got to wondering how Amy and Carol would react to time traveling back to the beginning. Was thinking the changes to Victoria's mind mess up the transfer enough that she doesn't remember everything, and what she does get is vaguely unreal, but what I'm really interested in is how Amy and Carol interact. I mean, for all that fanon Carol hates Amy, she appeared to have forgiven her by the time she got out of the birdcage, and with Victoria restored.....well, I thought it might be interesting.
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I dunno how much she actually did hate her in actual canon, and how much of that was TT picking at her teenage insecurities.
 
@FixerUpper

Same here. If you need someone to bounce ideas off of, I've got time.

@Lycoris

Also gave me an idea. His thoughts about post-scratch sessions crashing together to create the particular setting has another path that we can use to help facilitate so many "Players" being active. That being, it's all one Universe post-scratch, with the scratch being triggered by Lord Scion. Eden kicks the bucket, and can't be brought back. So, Scion scratches the world, and in the process tries to deliberately break the rules of the new universe as it's forming as to bring back Eden. He succeeds and fails. He doesn't bring back Eden, but he does break the rules, and hard. The system suddenly doesn't know when to stop making Players.

I like the idea of Page of Heart Taylor. The thing about Pages is that they have "Unlimited Potential of Aspect" meaning she has alot of room for growth.
 
Okay, so for our flowchart of sessions:

Session Entity (2): Scion and Eden

Now what you have to first get out of the way is the fact that by any stretch of the imagination, a Lord of Time will be able to brute force Eden's resurrection somehow. If he can't do that, he can at least spend eternity trying to do that by hopping backwards in time until Eden's death is accompanied by an infinite variety of his own, like a kaleidoscope of double deaths.

...that's actually a pretty interesting visual. I'm tempted to keep it. Some part of Scion is endlessly trying to prevent her death, and in the Alpha timeline he is endlessly failing. This leaves his 'true' self a shattered husk since he's literally been staring at her dying body for hundreds, if not thousands of years.

But he's patient. He has a goal. He knows that out there somewhere is a power to undo things. All he has to do is find it. The Lord of Time is not meant to breach other sessions, but as mentioned before, he's patient. Those endless deaths? He's amassing enough dead bodies to create a Black Hole. Except it's not black, it's gold, and it's dragging other sessions and universes towards itself.

Gonna call it the Golden Quasar. It's an enormous celestial object that's visual from the get-go in all existing sessions, and somehow simultaneously pointed at all sessions.

Session Bet (6): Cauldron + Protectorate (Doctor Mother, Contessa, Alexandria, Eidolon, Legend, Hero)

I'm not too sure what's up with this session, but the main point is that they figure out what Scion is up to. Their session is being dragged towards certain doom for reasons unknown, and they have to figure out a way to stop it.

Somehow, they manage to hack the game. They then try to co-opt the Entity Session.

Session Entity... cont'd? (?!?!?!):

Session 3 only has one player. But Session 3 has infinite players. If you're familiar with Exalted, there's a point in the First Age where the Solars somehow broke time. In order to restore time to its rightful condition each Exalted undertook a quest to put it to right and finally managed at the end. That's a bit of what's happening here and now. The Bet session is piggy-backing off the resources created by the Entity session (every dead iteration of Scion and Eden is creating another 'dead' timeline that they're welding together) to open up new sessions to anyone who runs the Sburb game.

They're trying to create an army so that the asshole wiping out sessions by his very existence can be stopped, but Scion...

Well, Scion looks in delight at all the approaching sessions.

For he knows, one of these sessions will discover the power to make things better again.



Annnnd that's the general idea, anyway. Thoughts?

I'll take this to PM if you guys prefer that. I like worldbuilding these sort of sessions, it's always vereh fun.
 
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