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Most West Coast-based politicians not in D.C. are gone but we'd probably need to look up newspapers from that week to pinpoint which people are specifically.
Most West Coast-based politicians not in D.C. are gone but we'd probably need to look up newspapers from that week to pinpoint which people are specifically.
Exactly.Better made it 1908,then there would be no problem.Since this is so short-ranged as far as an ISOT goes, you've cloned tens of thousands of people who were in the area in 2020 but outside of it in 1968. A person who's 70 years old today was 18 in 1968.
Between Wallace eating their lunch in the south and the west coast delivering a crushing PV/EC victory to the Democrats I can't see the GOP as it existed at the time surviving for much longer.I don't see the pacific states seceding, they'll push for faster reform, and implement it in their own states. They'll also have the foresight to know what the Republicans become, and can probably prevent such a thing, and Reagan is butterflied away.
Trudeau was very into the idea of centralizing the country and Horgan would be as big if not more of a pain in the ass than Lougheed, so my guess is he'd delay redistricting for as long as humanely possible.On a different note, how are seats in the Canadian parliament distributed? I recall some people talking about how BC is underrepresented currently. Would it be more so under 1968 rules? Especially with its population being more than doubled.
Between Wallace eating their lunch in the south and the west coast delivering a crushing PV/EC victory to the Democrats I can't see the GOP as it existed at the time surviving for much longer.
The idea of having California in the downtime elections is completely absurd. It's already rediculously underrepresented and in downtime USA it would be even more so. Neither California or downtime USA would let them act 'normally', and the modern Democrats are nothing like the downtime Democrats anyway.
It could work. LBJ would do everything in his power to get the west coast as much representation as possible because it would give Democrats a massive advantage. Because RFK is likely to not be assassinated he has a pretty good chance of getting the nomination. Especially if he can get the uptime states behind him. RFK ran a pretty progressive campaign, even for modern dems. His platform included racial equality, increased welfare, ending involvement in the Vietnam war, increased gun control, and ending the death penalty among others. Add an uptime dem (maybe Inslee or someone like him) and you have a ticket that most uptime voters like or at least have no problem with.
Why would LBJ, the current president, want to oppress minorities or disenfranchise the uptime states? Minorities are an important part of the dem's coalition, with them voting consistently over 80% for them. All the major presidential candidates supported civil rights or even going even further. None wanted to roll civil rights back.Unless the 'agreement' with downtime USA involves Californian troops marching in Dixie training a universaly conscripted army of blacks, I doubt there's any treaty that could be signed that would be worth the paper it's written on. Downtime US will be looking to oppress the minorities the nanosecond they get the opportunity, and with California disenfranchised they'll even keep their electoral advantage.
Why would LBJ, the current president, want to oppress minorities or disenfranchise the uptime states? Minorities are an important part of the dem's coalition, with them voting consistently over 80% for them. All the major presidential candidates supported civil rights or even going even further. None wanted to roll civil rights back.
As for the west coast, why would LBJ and the dems want to disenfranchise it? The west coast is a godsend for them. It could allow them to completely dominate electorally. The Republicans would be losing a very electorally valuable area and the dems could gain an even more electorally valuable one. LBJ and the dems would not only do everything in their power to make sure the west coast can vote, but vote and be represented at their actual population level.
Because Northern support will evaporate when people say, "Wait, you mean minorities ACTUALLY get to be equal? I thought we were just going to spend less money on beating them!"
Why would California want to be ruled by some backwards maniac that can't go a day without whipping out his dick in public, or who fakes attacks to justify foreign wars?
Downtime USA would be completely unwilling to make the electoral and actually-equal-rights sacrifices required to convince California to stay.
Nor are the downtime United States as opposed to them as they assert.Californians don't actually prioritize minority rights anywhere near to the extent you think they do.
Like you know that the LAPD are also in California right?
If anything, the existence of the West Coast pretty much proves that a better society is possible...while also making it clear there are still a LOT of things to work on. Hence the ISOT occurring during massive protests.Nor are the downtime United States as opposed to them as they assert.
Oh god, I forgot about this. Trump is 21 years old and will stay as far away from the West Coast as possible.Trump himself will likely not have a good time due to his infamy.
Oh god, I forgot about this. Trump is 21 years old and will stay as far away from the West Coast as possible.
It would be funny if he ended up becoming revolted with his uptime self and changed into a more well-rounded person, but that seems unlikely.
Well the BPP was strongest on the west coast and especially in California, so that would weaken them. A lot of their leadership is gone. But I do think the BPP in the rest of the country would get a fair amount of support. A massive thing would be COINTELPRO coming to light. That puts them in a much more favorable light as victims of illegal suppression and stops and hurts attempts to weaken them. Though technically they were not yet targets in 1968. Stopping COINTELPRO just means stronger left wing groups in general. Its reveal might be enough to take down Hoover, which would be huge.It wouldn't matter. The stuff about Trump will ruin his reputation. He won't be able to even get started in business, even with his daddy's money. He's going to be a total pariah- except maybe in the Deep South. He might end up being an Alabama real estate magnate or something.
Also, I wonder if the Black Panthers will be a lot more supported and well-funded ITTL?
There are certain other allegations about Hoover that will take him down, immediately, no matter what.Stopping COINTELPRO just means stronger left wing groups in general. Its reveal might be enough to take down Hoover, which would be huge.
I think an underrated change in this timeline would be LBJ seeing how the VRA was weakened to the point of uselessness. going for a second bite at that apple could nip a lot of the problems with conservatives being able to claim victory with a minority in the bud ( though not the electoral college).They might actually get better levels of representation than they do now because why not stack the deck while you can?
The Southern Democrats are in an interesting position. If the West Coast is fully enfranchised, they're powerless to prevent liberals from taking over the Democratic Party. There's a genuine possibility of them forming their own regional third party, sort of like a Bloc Quebecois for the American South. They have the ability to elect significant numbers of candidates from a large region of the country (even with the Voting Rights Act, African-American exodus to the West Coast will shore up their position).On thing that this will definitely do is speed up the reorganization of the parties. It took until really the 90s OTL for most conservatives to leave the dems and most liberals to leave the GOP. With this, the dems are probably moving somewhat to the left and going to be somewhat influenced by the uptime dems. The GOP is going to try and do the southern strategy again, it work pretty well OTL after all. The realignment is going to be done in closer to ten years, rather than the 30 or so it took OTL.