...Who Needs Enemies? [AltPower!Taylor / Worm]

@Anaja and @Shadowdrakon His old powers copied and pasted himself somewhere, and deleted the old original six seconds later.

There was a video, one I sadly cannot find anymore, that explained how if you copy over and over, tiny defects slowly crop up and get copied. They demonstrated it with drawing a line, then having a person trace over it. Then they removed the original and had a person trace a line based on that, etc.
That's more an example of how peoples' perception and coordination is imperfect, than a statement about copying. Measurement error may or may not be relevant (for example, SV will happily deliver millions of copies of the text of this post, without a single character ever changing)

Can you imagine Lung eating a bowl of cheerios in the morning?
No, but I can imagine Lung eating a bowl of cheerios in his chair. Does that count?
 
With Lung, you have a Rage Dragon(™). but he has a range of Brute 4-9. Ergo, he has a minimum, an idling engine. But does that mean he never stops being Lung? Can he sleep in a bed? He relaxes in his chair with a beer, yes, but can a Brute that never turns off actually sleep? Can you imagine Lung eating a bowl of cheerios in the morning?

Cheerios is an insufficiently angry, fiery, or escalation prone cereal, so no I really can't imagine him eating it to start his day.
 
Anyhoo, the new Lee takes himself, collapses inward, moves, and uncompresses himself on arrival. He's a flying .zip file of doom. Effectively the explosion comes from the fact that a crapload of mass is suddenly there, displacing air and matter on arrival. The fact that it's not making more of him and deleting the old, but compressing him, means that there is less data to transmit, meaning travel distance increases accordingly. But, since it's not rampantly creating new copies in the location, it must have a travel path that it can take to deliver him.

Er, compression is way lossier than copying. If that collapsing thing is touching his brain at all, the problem is still there.(I mean, the problem is there regardless, but it's less likely to be an actual problem outside of the brain.)
 
Er, compression is way lossier than copying. If that collapsing thing is touching his brain at all, the problem is still there.(I mean, the problem is there regardless, but it's less likely to be an actual problem outside of the brain.)
Compression can be lossy or non-lossy. Zip files (or flying .zip files of doom), for instance, do not lose any of the original data.
 
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Maybe the reason his shard changed was because it counted combination of replicating its hosts' brain functions and deadening his emotional responses to avoid existential crisis as being a sufficient level of mental alteration to violate the new parameters.

After all, Lee snapped right back to normal after his power was altered; if he was 'just' a degraded copy of a copy of a copy, his usual creepy hollow man act would have stuck around, because that's how his brain is structured and the shard apparently couldn't maintain a snapshot of his original neural architecture to model itself off of.

In other words, the shard's failure was in its comprehension of the interplay between the physiology and chemistry of the brain and a person's state of self; to it, being able to do stuff on your own isn't really necessary - after all, it's part of a pseudo-gestalt and it does just fine. All this serotonin and adrenaline flying around in Host's head is just the equivalent of a malfunctioning alarm clock - just hammer on the snooze button until it gets the point, and everything is dandy.

Alternatively, it might be a sign the shard was acting way outside its original parameters, was already having trouble handling the teleportation-cloning trick, and didn't have enough time left over to figure out any more elegant solution than taking a cudgel to Lee's neurochemistry.

tl;dr - Oni Lee's shard dealt with the whole "oh God, I just felt myself die, am I the real me or did the 'real' me die back there AAAAAAAA-" problem by keeping him constantly hammered on space worm Prozac, deadening his emotional responses and suppressing his sense of individuality and initiative to keep him from freaking out. The Endbringers have now revoked its pharmacy privileges, so Lee's normal again and it had to shift his power to stay compliant with the new restrictions.
 
That's more an example of how peoples' perception and coordination is imperfect, than a statement about copying. Measurement error may or may not be relevant (for example, SV will happily deliver millions of copies of the text of this post, without a single character ever changing)

Except that those are all copies of the same data file. I don't read it, copy it, and send it off to the next person. I don't agree with the idea that the copy of a copy of a copy will inevitably degrade, regardless of context, but it definitely happens in some contexts and mass copying is not the same thing as chain copying.

After all, Lee snapped right back to normal after his power was altered; if he was 'just' a degraded copy of a copy of a copy, his usual creepy hollow man act would have stuck around, because that's how his brain is structured and the shard apparently couldn't maintain a snapshot of his original neural architecture to model itself off of.

Not necessarily. The Endbringers were explicitly involved, so it's possible that one of them performs repairs, and considering the Simurgh can peer into the past, it's entirely possible that this is effectively Lee's brains physical state, from one second post trigger, with all his newer memories copied in.
 
@Terrabrand and Co, the copies would be defect free if not for the sheer speed and excursiveness used.

It's the difference between forwarding a photo via mail, and someone sending one with a photocopier and tossing out the originals. And Lee made a lot of dang copies, and he's nearly all there if one stops and thinks about it. A coupla cells here, a few neuron connections there, 99.99999% is nice until one reads the XKCD comic about said subject.

If Lee zero copy remained, no problem. it could be compared to the final copy and make sure it stayed defect free, but it isn't.

Also note that there's a time delay. He perceives it as instant, but effectively he's frozen, packed up, shipped, unpacked and unfrozen. Hence his watch moving out of sync.

And yes, there's the slight case of having six seconds to live and seeing your original right across the room, not dying. You don't have time for reflection, or any mental crisis. Lee's clones go down swinging /grenade flinging because he's fully prepared to do so before he even clones. He has to, as he only has six seconds to live all the time 24/7.

And that didn't help him mentally all that much. It takes a creative mind to realize that a slightly odd and defective teleport means you can do whatever you want for six seconds. Human brains do that all the time with suicide bombing, but there's a reason why the suicide bomber instructor jokes always begins with "Right, pay attention, cause' I'm only going to show you this once." Repeats ain't good for ya.

Thus you have Lung and Lee as thematic opposites. One who cannot stop, and one who cannot start.

Oh, and he hasn't been restored from some old copy via the Endbringers, his brain has had a bit of jiggering. See this quote from the interlude.
"The dead portions of her brain were, and I quote, "welded like a glass sculpture to a desk".
 
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Compression can be lossy or non-lossy. Zip files (or flying .zip files of doom), for instance, do not lose any of the original data.
Yes, there are non-lossy ways of handling compression, but this is a shard which can't even do non-lossy duplication. Non lossy duplication is massively easier. For non lossy duplication you just need to write down exactly where everything is. For non-lossy compression you need to write down exactly where everything is, work out a formula that will express where everything is using less space, and then reverse the formula when the thing gets to its destination.
 
From the description it sounds like he might be doing it the Shaker way, physical space compression where he is, then moving the result through space at high speed before expanding again. Mos of what we commonly think of as solid matter is empty space anyway, and it's not like diddling with particle charges to make everything collapse into the travel form isn't within the capabilities seen in other powers.
 
That's more an example of how peoples' perception and coordination is imperfect, than a statement about copying. Measurement error may or may not be relevant (for example, SV will happily deliver millions of copies of the text of this post, without a single character ever changing)
It's a good metaphor. Most mutations arise from random transcription errors. It's also why everything isn't biologically immortal.
 
It's a good metaphor. Most mutations arise from random transcription errors. It's also why everything isn't biologically immortal.
It's not a good metaphor because the rate of errors is absurd (many errors in every single copy? that equals 'error correction system is hopelessly incompetent'). It doesn't represent anything like a typical copying system (and yes, I would count DNA as a 'typical copying system')
 
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It's not a good metaphor because the rate of errors is absurd (many errors in every single copy? that equals 'error correction system is hopelessly incompetent'). It doesn't represent a typical copying system.
Well, that's what to expect when you're comparing meat to metal.
 
Well, that's what to expect when you're comparing meat to metal.
I'm not (unless you count DNA as "metal" vs people as meat). As I stated, DNA counts as a typical copying system. It includes error correction, and it would utterly outperform people at copying line data, by many orders of magnitude. So its error rate is grossly overstated by such a metaphor.

The fact that we have digital methods that outperform -that-, just emphasizes exactly how bad a representation of copying that is. People-based copying includes not only perception errors, but personal attitudes, moods, and intentions; I would doubt that a single person involved in that was even -attempting- to copy with a level of accuracy remotely comparable to DNA. I would even question whether they are in theory capable of it.

( I don't think there actually is a good metaphor for such infrequent errors, that people could actually relate to. the scale is too big... I dunno, it would be like your eye inexplicably twitching ten individual times throughout your entire life?)
 
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I dunno, it would be like your eye inexplicably twitching ten individual times throughout your entire life?)

I'd like to point out that my eye "has" inexplicably twiched a small number of times throughout my life, no cause that I could discern aside from maybe eyestrain and that didnt explain the ones that happen when I'm fresh and haven't strained my eyes at all, just a random twitch or spasm. So even that isn't that great of an example. There are plenty of cases where your body can and will do strange crap that you don't understand. Random twitches, small pains with no discernable cause or source, etc.
 
I'd like to point out that my eye "has" inexplicably twiched a small number of times throughout my life, no cause that I could discern aside from maybe eyestrain and that didnt explain the ones that happen when I'm fresh and haven't strained my eyes at all, just a random twitch or spasm. So even that isn't that great of an example. There are plenty of cases where your body can and will do strange crap that you don't understand. Random twitches, small pains with no discernable cause or source, etc.
There have been cases-dozens, well spread out-where parts of my body (usually an arm, sometimes a leg) will just randomly spasm, completely out of my control.
So its error rate is grossly overstated by such a metaphor.
So it fails to provide a proper scale, but it at least gives a basic idea of what's going on, right?
 
Hrm, perhaps it would be like a random bsod. I've had maybe 4 of those, they were infrequent enough, being spread out over roughly 10 year time frame and didn't happen again when I restarted my computer. On a side note, I honestly think that shard shenanigans had a hand in Oni Lee's mindset. What causes more conflict in that situation? A reasonably well adjusted and somewhat moral parahuman, or a sociopathic death machine that's willing to kill himself over and over to kill other people? Me thinks that when he got reroled his brain got rewired back to... well not factory default but it's better than that smoking, short circuit in mess that his grey matter used to be like.

And on a tangential point, I wonder what glory girls reroll is going to be like? I mean she got the double whammy of being shard affected and had powers with mind controlling effects. Will the Endbringers consider Glory Girls victims, Amy for instance, as something to revert? Do they consider a natural evolution of a Parahumans effect and revert to before the effect took hold or will Amy continue to "love" Vicky but not be completely batshit over her every time she's within a certain distance? This also doesn't consider what Vickys powers are going to be like when we do get around to seeing them. I'm thinking she's no longer super strong and all of her power is going to be focused into her forcefields and she's going to have to relearn to fly and take a far more cautious hand in battle. No more punch first ask questions maybe for her anymore.

God she'd hate that... hell I can think of quite a few Parahumans to screw over by dice rolling their powers.

Clockblocker, instead of freezing on touch he now has a moderate range slow time field that creates a bubble of slowed time around him. Good news, he can now clock block a lot of people not moving at extreme speeds. Bad news, he's the epicenter of the effect which means he has to slow his own physical movements along with it. Somewhat good news, he can still mentally perceive time normally which keeps him from losing his mind or getting natious/sea sick from the outside light mixing much faster than the inside light. Funny news he gets really really bored really really quickly.

Vista can no longer affect the area around her and can only highly warp space directly around her body. Bad news, no more area of denial shenanigans. Good news, shes now basically bulletproof as she can literally Portal-style make you punch yourself in the face as well as becoming invisible as she bends light around herself.

Miss Millitia is probably an Uchiha now and is able to copy physical techniques down to the muscle memory and probably copy tinker tech if she watched the entire process beginning to end. Bad news? No more dakka, good news? Can now create bullshit tier dakka given the right circumstances.


I could probably continue this but I think everyone gets the point xD
 
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Er, only capes that had powers affecting their minds got rerolled. We already saw Clockblocker using his as normal to defuse the Slaughterhouse Mother's day surprise.

But maybe MM sleeps again...

And can finally have all the saved up nightmares of all those horrors she has witnessed in her unending vigil...
 
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I'd like to point out that my eye "has" inexplicably twiched a small number of times throughout my life, no cause that I could discern aside from maybe eyestrain and that didnt explain the ones that happen when I'm fresh and haven't strained my eyes at all, just a random twitch or spasm. So even that isn't that great of an example. There are plenty of cases where your body can and will do strange crap that you don't understand. Random twitches, small pains with no discernable cause or source, etc.
Sure. I've had them.
But the point of that comparison was to illustrate the sheer scale of the non-errors vs the errors -- count all the seconds in a 70-year-old's life where their eye -is- inexplicably twitching. Now compare that to the number of seconds in which their eye -isn't- inexplicably twitching.
(for reference, the total number of seconds a 70-year-old has lived is 70*365*24*60*60, or 2,207,520,000)

So it fails to provide a proper scale, but it at least gives a basic idea of what's going on, right?

.. I'd prefer something like continental drift as a metaphor, personally. It far better illustrates how small each individual change is, and how slow the rate of change.

But if you wanted something that people could illustrate by actions, I'd suggest making the line out of multicolored lego in an apparently random pattern.
That would reflect the fact that each item in a DNA strand is one of a few discrete possibilities, and reduce the factor that personality and motor skills play in the outcome. You would have to choose or perceive wrongly in order to reproduce the line wrongly, not simply have bad coordination.
 
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