What's the most Cringeworthy Alternate History you've ever read?

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It's called defcon apparently

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You may not know this but apparently there are Korean technothrillers, and one of the most famous ones are called "Def-Con"

Back in 2000 I found a review of this on soc.history.what-if, I've included links so you can find it yourself:

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However given the reviewers unique grasp of the English language, his relative ability to organise his writings, and my personal views on his sanity I've decided to collate his writings and explanations here. I will make no comments as to whether or not these books exist, or how popular they are, but given the world we live in I find it depressingly possible.

If anyone has actually seen these books, or heard about them elsewhere, do let me know, I'm genuinely and morbidly fascinated. That incidentally is why I've prepared this little thing, despite this being seven years old, it's just too... well... what can I say? Fascinating.

In short everything past this paragraph is me cleaning up his statements:

The authors of the series are: Kim Kyongjim (Main author).
Jin Byonggwan(expert on naval warfare)
Shin Jaeho (pen name; expert on US military system and weaponry)
Son Jungguk (expert on naval and land warfare).

Kim Kyungjim began his career writing on a BBS, which was apparently dedicated to simulations and wargames. His first books appeared in e-text form on the BBS, in Korean of course, but were later printed in hardcopy.

By now he's become a Korean Tom Clancy of sorts, and he began writing this series to demonstrate that the United States could indeed be defeated. The plot of the four volume series is loosely based on the Second Punic War, with the Koreans as the Romans.

PLOT SYNOPSIS

The relationship between the United States and Korea has soured, and American troops have been withdrawn from Korea. Because of the lack of American support South Korea aquires an aircraft carrier called Yi Sunshin, based on the Kuznetsov carrier design.

Sometime after this North Korea collapses as a result of a coup, and South Korea intervenes to help the leaders of the coup.

The President of the United States is not happy about this, the Americans believe that keeping North Korea intact helps justify their interference in Korean affairs; removing North Korea also destabilizes the region. They attempt to pressure the two states to keep them from uniting, but Korea is proud and defiant, and unites despite the protests of the Americans.

This leads to a showdown between Korean and American submarines, where the Americans once more fail to frighten Korea into submission, after this the United States declares war on Korea to teach the Koreans a lesson.

The US public is not too keen on this fight however, and the Koreans have cleverly invited in reporters to help them win the PR war. This however does not stop the US offensive.

US bombers strike Korea, North and South, relentlessly, trying to bomb them into rubble as they did Yugoslavia. There's a general feeling that the Koreans will not be able to hold out for long. Meanwhile China, Japan and Russia remain neutral for now, as they wait to see who would win this show down.

The US Navy does not escape unscathed though, the Yi Sunshin engages the USS John Stennis, heavily damaging it before it is sunk. The Korean Navy is sunk, but so is half the US Naval forces deployed!

However the Americans forgot one important thing: While they had the best Navy and Air Force in the world, the United Korea had the best army in the world!

South Korea had about 600 000 soldiers, far better trained than those of America; North Korea has over a million soldiers not as well trained, by exceedingly well motivated, AND they have the largest Commando Units in the world.

The United States had only ten divisions. Six of these divisions were in Korea (2nd Armoured, 2nd Infantry, 1st Marine, 82th Airborne, 101st Airborne, and two other divisions), the remainder were stationed in Europe. In short America was left with no army on its own soil.

During the submarine crisis a group of patriotic young officers organised a coup, and executed all the US sympathisers in the Korean government. Most of the survivors fled to Los Angeles as soon as they could.

The new Korean president ordered Major General Cha Youngjin to fly to Mexico before the US bombing offensive began.

Approximately 20 000 Korean (North and South) left Korea pretending to be tourists. Following a circuitous route through Europe and Africa they arrived at Mexico City; at this point Mexico was going through another civil war so the Koreans had no trouble getting weapons from the various guerrilla groups.

General Cha and his US-educated advisor Oh Songyun lead a force of about 15 000 soldiers to Matamoros, and begin to make preparations for the invasion of Texas. They are very careful not to attract attention, they also capture and kill several CIA agents in the region.

Meanwhile the Americans have landed in Korea, and follow the route of advance of the first Korean War. They capture Pusan and Taegu, despite valiant and stubborn Korean resistance.

This is when General Chas armies crossed the Rio Grande and enter Texas. For the first time since 1815 the US mainland was invaded by a foreign power. Korean commandoes secured several key air bases in south Texas, and Cha's troops quickly captured Brownsville.

In three days the state of Texas was thrown into chaos, the Hispanics in Texas rose up in rebellion against the United States, and the Texas National Guard was brutally defeated by the Korean Expeditionary Force (KEF).

Meanwhile Korean commandoes captured several key traffic junctions making transport into Texas very difficult.

San Antonio and Corpus Cristi fell quickly, and the Hispanic mayor of San Antonio pledged allegiance to the KEF after General Cha threatened to cut off water and electricity to the city. The Korean forces they dynamite the Alamo, wrecking it utterly.

Seven days after the start of the invasion the Koreans captured Austin, the capital of Texas. At this point General Cha decided to bide his time, as Houston and Dallas were too large to be easily taken.

Throughout their advance the Koreans had little trouble finding oil, Texas had a lot of gas stations, and the Hispanics worked as a fifth column aiding their advance.

Their lack of heavy weapons, vehicles, and airplanes is solved brilliantly: Among the 20 000 men sent by the Koreans there are several commandoes and pilots; as the Korean forces advance they capture intact multiple armouries and airforce bases thus living of the land. Since most of them have received extensive training on US gear this does not cause any problems for them.

As a result of the invasion were riots in most major US cities, and the DOW collapsed. The President of the USA gave orders to drive out the invaders, but the problem was that the cream of US forces was in Kora, and the KEF controlled the airspace in south Texas.

Several Hispanic gangs from around the US had made their way to "Korea-in-Texas," with its capital at San Antonio, so General Cha now had about 100 000 troops. El Paso soon fell to Hispanic rebels.

Meanwhile there's a duel off the coast of Korea, where two Korean submarines of German manufacture engage the USS George Washington. The USS George Washington is damaged, but survives to limp back to San Diego.

This was all an utter embarrassment to the United States.

At the same time near Richmond, Virginia, a very special force was gathering. It consisted of 50 mixed-breed commandoes (children of US soldiers and Korean women) who acted as chauffeurs and decoys for a force of 1000 Korean special forces, who had come along with General Cha. Their plan was to move out from Virginia while the bulk of elite American forces would be dispatched to Texas.

The USAF airplanes that remained on the mainland were second rate, and the pilots were grossly inferior to Korean pilots. The only way to recapture south Texas was to cancel the invasion of Korea, and bring the USAF home to eliminate the KEF.

The US President was in a dilemma, if he cancelled the invasion of Korea he might lose the election; but if he didn't kick out the KEF he might face impeachment.

He is unable to order the mobilization of the National Guard units outside of Texas, since his advisers tell him that this would cause the stock market to crash. In addition most Americans don't care much for the war, and don't give a damn for Texas to boot, thus leaving the fight to the severely depleted Texas National Guard.

What made it even worse was that the Koreans had opened all border crossings at the Rio Grande, so the Mexicans were flooding into Korea-in-Texas like gate-crashers at a sold out rock concert. If the Koreans were not driven out every downtrodden pauper in the world would enter the Untied States through Mexico and Korea-in-Texas.

By now General Cha notices that the situation is deteriorating, so he launches Operation Genghis Khan, a general breakout to the west.

The next seven days were the most amazing in military history. General Cha's KEF, helped by 3000 commandoes, invade the whole of the US Southwest; New Mexico and Arizona falls, and at the battle of El Toro the US Air Command in southern California is destroyed. An advance unit reaches Santa Barbara, and with that a journey rivalling that of Xenophon is finally accomplished!

Meanwhile the US troops in Korea were still advancing slowly, in the face of massive resistance.

27 days after the invasion of the United States, General Cha, the head of Korea in America, an entity with a population of at least 20 million, entered Los Angeles in triumph. Inhabitants of Koreatown greeted their liberators, and some of the old men cried hard with joy. At the city hall the Stars and Stripes were lowered, and the Korean flag was raised up instead, all in front of the TV cameras.

During those faithful days the borders were no longer guarded at all, so no one knew how many people had poured into the US, or Korea in America to be precise. Estimates were that at least ten million had come.

Mexican rebels crossed the US border just after the fall of Los Angeles, and soon Mexican flags were raised over Calexico, San Ysidro, and many other border towns.

San Diego was now under siege, the submarine Park Wi was blockading the exit from the harbour, so that no USN ship could leave. The Park Wi was equipped with advanced stealth systems, making it quite invisible to the USN ASW equipment.

The Korean commandoes that had assembled at Richmond now spread across the US. The bridges across the Mississippi at Rock Island, IL, Dubuque, IO, Saint Louis, MO, Memphis, TN, and Vicksburg, MS were demolished simultaneously by Korean Commandoes. For the time being all east-west traffic was stopped.

Other Korean commando groups, operating in groups of four, demolished big armouries and aircraft factories in Chambersberg, PA, Boeing, WA, and three other locations.

More importantly at the Plaza Hotel in New York and the Four Seasons in Washington Caucasian looking half-breeds rented a suite. Inside their luggage was a tactical nuclear warhead picked up during the invasion of Texas.

However Cha's 25 000 man army, and air force, had dwindled to about half its earlier size. Others were garrisoning Texas, New Mexico, and Arizona.

Many of the towns held by the Koreans were recaptured by American forces; they did not take any prisoners, most Koreans were killed in public by the townspeople, often flayed alive!

By now the US military was using scorched-earth tactics, all bases within 100 miles of Los Angeles were abandoned. However San Diego remained, it was simply too valuable to be abandoned, and the Korean submarine prevented easy evacuation.

The Climax of the Korean invasion of the United States was the Battle of San Diego, the HQ of the US Pacific Fleet.

Supported by the submarine Park Wi, the Mexican rebels, many of them on horseback, and the local Hispanic population, joined with General Cha's 10 000 man army in storming San Diego Naval Station. It was the largest naval battle ever fought on land!

The Koreans used almost all their remaining strength to destroy the US Pacific Fleet; some of them escaped, many didn't, the level of destruction easily exceeded Pearl Harbour.

During the confused struggle Korean boarders went aboard the USS Theodore Roosevelt, capturing it, and adding it to the Korean forces. Fortunately the USS Theodore Roosevelt is still operational, despite the damage caused during the fight, and several of Cha's men know how to operate the ship, renaming it the Yi Sunshin II.

The Mexican rebels also took great losses, and had to retreat back to Mexico, even General Cha's forces lost about 2000 men.

The Americans had enough by now, the 101st Airborne was transferred from Korea to deal with Cha's forces. In addition the 6th Army was reactivated. A total of 900 000 men, land and air, would descent to destroy Cha's KEF.

In an epic 18 hour battle the KEF was completely destroyed near La Jolla. The Americans took no prisoners, a few officers, like Oh Songyun, fled back to Mexico, but most of them were killed. General Cha himself escaped from the battlefield into the desert, where it was assumed that he had died.

Koreatown was burned to the ground by angry white and black people; an estimated 80 000 Koreans were killed by angry mobs in Los Angeles alone.

With the KEF destroyed the Battle for Korea was to be ended. US forces broke out from the perimeter, captured Taegu, and were now only 70 miles away from Seoul. Six provinces in south Korea were captured, but the lack of the 101st would turn the tide of battle in favour of the Koreans.

Right on the brink of defeat the Korean Army made an all-or-nothing counterattack near Chonan, the last major chokepoint before entering Seoul. The success of the attack was spectacular, and with the American left wing untenable the Koreans began to advance.

Near Chonan a pair of Korean submarines, both pre-war German designs, attack and sink the USS Abraham Lincoln. The destruction of the USS Abraham Lincoln is so violent that it creates massive radiation damage to the area around Chonan, but it is a great victory of the Korean navy!

At the same time the existence of the two tac-nukes hidden in New York and Washington DC were revealed by the Korean President, who gave an ultimatum to the US President.

West of the Mississippi the United States were descending into chaos, all the major cities were filled with illegal immigrants that had entered during the Korean invasion. Shortages were becoming the norm, and people were very upset.

Then came the next scandal, the US Presidents son and three girls he was driving were killed in a car accident, all of them under the influence of drugs; none of them were wearing seatbelts. A witness claimed that the accident was stage by two Amerasian drivers who had trapped the Presidents sons car, but it was never proven.

That was the last straw, and the US president sued for peace.

The Koreans won because they had struck at the heart of the enemy; by creating chaos they had decisively undermined US morale.

However they only won in the sense that they didn't lose anything. About one third of its territories had been occupied by the Americans, who devastated the countryside before evacuating. Also the major cities had been heavily bombed.

It was estimated that half a million soldiers and four million civilians died because of the war, it also caused $500 billion worth of property damage.

The famed KEF, who conquered more territory than Genghis Khan, in a very short period of time, had few survivors; only about 250 survived, returning to Korea in a Chilean cargo ship that they boarded at Ensenada.

Just before the ship left Ensenada harbour one of the KEF survivors was watching Mexican TV, and saw several Mexican rebels riding. AT the head of these rebel troops was a man with distinctly Korean features.

The soldier shouted "General Cha is alive!"

The US lost more than a trillion dollar in damages. The president resigned, and the new government vowed not to involve itself in foreign affairs for at least twenty years.
 
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Ugh, just hearing something like that really exists makes me want to built two Liberty Primes and a Big Guy then form a GI Joe team just to even it out.
 
I read one where Lincoln gets assassinated near the end of the Civil war. The north still curb-stomps the south, but without Lincon pushing for reconstruction after they pass a bunch of draconian laws preventing confederates (or the children of confederates) from voting, so in the south Black people are the dominant ethnic group and the whites are horribly oppressed and not permitted to vote.

When a story involves Germany winning the Second World War, folks here find it pretty goddamn :thonk:-worthy, unless its name is Wolfenstein.

It's plausible, if someone other than Hitler heads the Nazi party, and the US and Soviet union don't get involved (Usually that means 'Germany doesn't touch Japan with a 10 foot pole'). Even if the Soviet Union does get involved, it could be plausible if they invade first and get bogged down in Finland and cockblocked by the fortifications that Germany put up along the border in poland.

Germany, Italy and Spain against France and the UK with the US selling guns to both sides and not actually taking a side, well...

Of course, Franco's not about to take a side: His country's been militarily defanged by his purges, and he's a lot more precarious than he looks at that point in history. *shrug*
 
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I read one where Lincoln gets assassinated near the end of the Civil war. The north still curb-stomps the south, but without Lincon pushing for reconstruction after they pass a bunch of draconian laws preventing confederates (or the children of confederates) from voting, so in the south Black people are the dominant ethnic group and the whites are horribly oppressed and not permitted to vote.
Do you have the source?
 
Do you have the source?
I do not. It was in an alt-history compilation book from... quite a while ago. The 'punch line' was a bunch of black people dragging a suspected confed descendant who was accused of raping a black woman when it was probably consensual behind a pickup truck in the 1940s.

Like the KKK used to.
 
I do not. It was in an alt-history compilation book from... quite a while ago. The 'punch line' was a bunch of black people dragging a suspected confed descendant who was accused of raping a black woman when it was probably consensual behind a pickup truck in the 1940s.

Like the KKK used to.
There's something deeply unwholesome about intentionally writing a story to reverse historical oppression, it just seems so skeevy and unnecessary.
 
Has anyone mentioned the one where Korea reunites and invades the US with the help of banditos?

And the president of the United States refuses to let the army deal with the invasion because it might hurt the stock market?

It's called defcon apparently

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There is no way this is real. That is exceedingly ridiculous

Hey, now we know where the creators of Homefront got their idea from.:D

Ugh, just hearing something like that really exists makes me want to built two Liberty Primes and a Big Guy then form a GI Joe team just to even it out.

This was pre 9/11, so the Middle East wasn't a primary source of villains yet.

Having actually read the entire series, it's nowhere near as stupid as that Norseman troll makes it out to be. There's at most "protagonist buff" that you see in any fiction.

I'll write out an actual summary if someone wants the details. Going for a nap.
 
Having actually read the entire series, it's nowhere near as stupid as that Norseman troll makes it out to be. There's at most "protagonist buff" that you see in any fiction.

I'll write out an actual summary if someone wants the details. Going for a nap.

Sure, but even with protagonist buff, some elements, are kind of unrealistic? But another POV on it would be cool.
 
Let's just say that Norseman practically rewrote the story to make it into some drugged up Japanese-level wanker.

Do Latinos turn on the US for reasons?

Do the Koreans fly their invasion force in commercial and just buy guns in Mexico?

Do the Koreans manage to blockade Texas?

Does the US president really not activate other national guard units because of the stock market, and no one care that Texas has been invaded?

What has gotten so bad in Mexico that the majority of the country is fleeing to the US?

What happened to like the other 70 ish percent of the United States military?


Thanks by the way, as fun as it is to take the piss out of stuff, it would be neat to hear what the rationals would be.
 
Do Latinos turn on the US for reasons?

Do the Koreans fly their invasion force in commercial and just buy guns in Mexico?

Do the Koreans manage to blockade Texas?

Does the US president really not activate other national guard units because of the stock market, and no one care that Texas has been invaded?

What has gotten so bad in Mexico that the majority of the country is fleeing to the US?

What happened to like the other 70 ish percent of the United States military?

Except for the last one (what are the National Guards doing? need to check on this), none of those happened or are greatly exaggerated.


Thanks by the way, as fun as it is to take the piss out of stuff, it would be neat to hear what the rationals would be.

Currently reading the five volumes again. Yes, I actually have the entire series in digital form. Defcon is made of of three parts (Sino-Korean, Korean-Japanese, Korean-American), and you need to know a bit of what happened previously for all the pieces to come together.
 
Except for the last one (what are the National Guards doing? need to check on this), none of those happened or are greatly exaggerated.




Currently reading the five volumes again. Yes, I actually have the entire series in digital form. Defcon is made of of three parts (Sino-Korean, Korean-Japanese, Korean-American), and you need to know a bit of what happened previously for all the pieces to come together.

Is there an English language version?
 
Defcon Part 1: Sino-Korean War

So, it is the late 1990s, and PRC went through a north-south civil war over economic policies. The radical reformist south wins, and using the military might built up during the civil war (US and Russia were selling weapons to both sides), blitzes Taiwan in a single day and also invades Vietnam, Laos, and Cambodia. Having become a Great Power and cleaned up internal affairs while giving US some good deals for recognition of the fait accompli, it looks to the east.... (Note: You have to remember this was written some time after the 1997 Asian Financial Crisis, so the view of the US as a self-interested wolf was strong. This would explain why the US doesn't bother to back Taipei, although Taiwan falling in a single day from a sudden strike using container ships modified as transports also adds to things.)

The two Koreas, in the meantime, saw the Chinese civil war and figured that sooner or later the fire might spread to them. So, in the name of security, they undergo "reunification lite" where pretty much only their military command are "united" with a Combined Forces Command similar to what US-ROK had. USFK moves to Japan, and Korea is lured into a sense of "peace" due to PRC focusing on the south. DPRK and ROK are technically separate.

Under the excuse of "putting down a rebellion by a Chaoxianzu general", PRC starts mobilizing troops into Manchuria. At the same time, regional conflicts in Korea starts reaching a peak, as online communities put of fake news (sound familiar?) and you have murders going on. As ROK undergoes internal conflict, PRC strikes with terrorist bombings of numerous ROK infrastructure and assassination attempts. The leader of DPRK is killed, leaving the KPA head to become de facto leader. The ROK president survives, and in an exchange of authorities, becomes the president of Unified Korea while the KPA head becomes effective commander of Unified Korean Forces.

While this is happening, PRC invades and manages to occupy the northern half of DPRK. However, with northern guerrillas holding down PLA forces and ROKN-KPAN managing to beat back PLAN's landing attempts, United Korea goes on the offensive with full mobilization and takes the fight to Manchuria after pushing back PLA, while sending SOFs to numerous PLA nuclear silos for a special operation. Realizing that they might lose, PRC launches nukes at Pyongyang, Gaeseong, and Seoul. Pyongyang is miraculously saved by a fighter ramming the warhead and causing the safeties to activate (the authors noted this was BS, but it was for the sake of the story), but Gaeseong is wiped from the face of the earth, while Seoul was hit with a 20 kt grade warhead directly on the Blue House, thus "minimizing" causalities. The United Korean SOF starts their operation, which is essentially taking control of the nuclear missiles and launching them at a lake in Korea, so the warheads can be retrieved. At the same time, most of the PRC leadership are assassinated in Zhongnanhai by a Korean-hired sniper.

Thus, with around 50 nuclear warheads now in possession of United Korea, most of the Politico killed, and Korean forces in Manchuria, PRC sues for white peace. While over a million Koreans had died, the war had united the two Koreas politically and militarily. This would be important for operations against Japan, which had taking Dokdo during the Sino-Korean War......



Please note that I took out some of the more wacky elements like this "International Peacekeeping Organizing" mercenary group (with its own carrier and Gurkha forces) which was used to support United Korea. Such things are, as the authors noted, "protagonist buffs" to give United Korea a better chance.

Questions? Comments? I'll write Part 2 later.
 
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