Where exactly in NA was this? Was it in reach of the East Coast settlers, or were they on the other side of a lot of hostile territory?
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What if the native Americans had bullshitium potions to cure European diseases?
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From Florida, right across to a broad swathe around the Mississippi, and up through the Midwest and around the Great Lakes.
United or warring? And still doesn't point somewhere where they actually waged and maintained a siege against European Settlers.
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its a link, just like my other post
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goes to the wiki article on King Philips War
Googled it. Turns out there was much trading and light conflict, but mostly trading at the time. And there were 80,000 people and approximately 16,000 men of fighting age, almost all of them part of the militia which had universal training. And they managed to kill five natives for every settler that fell, and this is after the natives had switched to steel and flintlock muskets as a mainstay. They already had 80,000 people there in 110 different towns. A shit load of development and not something to laugh at, even in Europe it would take concerted, and coordinated, effort to kill all of those people. The Natives were not self-sufficient in gunpowder or lead or replacement muskets. Because trading does not always equal technological development. Japan was an exception people, not the rule, and had guns for centuries before America stopped bothering with knocking and just ripped the goddamned door off. Frame attached.
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What part of post-apocalyptic wasteland don't you understand?
Things would have gone differently had the population of North America not dropped by 90% over the previous century.
More demand for powerful weapons, and a strong sugar daddy willing to hand over comparatively paltry amounts of land for sale...that was captured from the enemies? Hmmmm....reminds me of the Draka. Except, plausible in its beginnings. Because instead of slavery, its an economic and military partnership.
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The Europeans get their shit ruined.
Even the initial settlement of the Caribbean depended to a great degree on the wave of European disease annihilating Taino populations to let the Spanish colonies survive the initial and immense brutality they exhibited. Without that? You don't get the base from which the Spanish took Central America.
And the lack of vast quantities of gold and silver being extracted and then shipped to Europe and Asia is going to change the trajectory of history there as well. Without the effects of disease, there's no way for the local civilizations to be unstable to the point where European invaders can just casually decapitate their power structure and take over; those precious metals will remain under local control, although the Europeans can probably trade for some if they're willing to try that.
Even the initial settlement of the Caribbean depended to a great degree on the wave of European disease annihilating Taino populations to let the Spanish colonies survive the initial and immense brutality they exhibited. Without that? You don't get the base from which the Spanish took Central America.
And the lack of vast quantities of gold and silver being extracted and then shipped to Europe and Asia is going to change the trajectory of history there as well. Without the effects of disease, there's no way for the local civilizations to be unstable to the point where European invaders can just casually decapitate their power structure and take over; those precious metals will remain under local control, although the Europeans can probably trade for some if they're willing to try that.
What if a major power decides to raise an army and go for it? Oh...their goes your entire argument. Down the gutter of maybes. Could you please respond to to claims of trading occurring? Maybe demand proof of such, or something of that nature?
At the time of the initial settlement of the Americas, none of them have the ability to project a major army over the Atlantic and into the Americas. To support a large army there, they need a fairly sizeable base of settlement in order to feed and house it. If they can't even establish wide scale settlement without sending a major army, then they're stuck in a chicken and egg scenario.
Eh. Any thread with Vashon in it features why he got banned.
I love the guy on the far right, he seems super into this whole pillaging thing.
After NA became a post-apocalyptic wasteland, but still.
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What flectarn said, the Amazonian culture was rather large but we know dick about them due to the jungle eating their cities.
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Nature is such a dick like that. Historians tear out their hair as Nature laughs in the bushes.
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The Amazon wont actually see much outside interference until much later, the impenetrable jungle already made sure of that, so nothing changes on that part.
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Well, other then those cultures not collapsing from plagues...
It wasn't impenetrable,there were roads and farms everywhere back then.
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The Atlantic seaboard is now so densely populated that Europeans cannot land without running into people and having to deal with them. Need I remind people that the famous Pilgrims of 1620 scavenged food from native graves and abandoned farms? The Americas were full of agriculture, towns, cities, and nations that were devastated by European disease which is why it was so damn empty when the Europeans finally arrived in larger numbers.