Yes, though there isn't much to improve.
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- Thread starter Ceslas
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Alias
Lord of Otters
- Location
- Northrend
Nothing. I made a mistake. I thought it was a different island.
Duzzit
CSC 1st Multiversal Fleet Commander
- Location
- London, UK
... pressing x to doubt here. The maps are updated per turn so i think we'd have seen an island go white-green.
You clearly say 'formerly' mine as well.
But thanks for telling me ur infiltration teams failed to get past the incandesant glory of Vice Admiral Icarius. He will recieve much additional support to secure
Remember that I'm currently fighting alongside your boss who's told u before to back off.
Alias
Lord of Otters
- Location
- Northrend
You know what, I'm being truthful but clearly your not going to believe me. Second Terra never told me to back off, so take your own advice and you go back off.
Duzzit
CSC 1st Multiversal Fleet Commander
- Location
- London, UK
@Alias
Then why write specifically about taking it over by name? Why not emplace your facilities literally anywhere else since you own 3 big islands to choose from?
Its a serious question, if you thought the southern island was mine but I abandoned it (for some reason) then fine, but I never mentioned IC leaving it, so I hope you can understand my paranoia about it as you've made remarks about taking it over before.
Its why I was pleasantly suprised and hopeful about future relations when we had a peaceful territorial treaty about tanaris, and I was hoping you'd forgiven me for it.
*Is now very sad that clearly that isn't the case if you still mistrust me on the issue.*
Then why write specifically about taking it over by name? Why not emplace your facilities literally anywhere else since you own 3 big islands to choose from?
Its a serious question, if you thought the southern island was mine but I abandoned it (for some reason) then fine, but I never mentioned IC leaving it, so I hope you can understand my paranoia about it as you've made remarks about taking it over before.
Its why I was pleasantly suprised and hopeful about future relations when we had a peaceful territorial treaty about tanaris, and I was hoping you'd forgiven me for it.
*Is now very sad that clearly that isn't the case if you still mistrust me on the issue.*
Alias
Lord of Otters
- Location
- Northrend
Like I said before I made a mistake. I thought the Rock was the southern Island. It as simple as that. Though clearly you didn't believe me. So I don't think any further discussion of this matter is going to result in anything productive, so I'm politely asking you to drop the subject.
- Location
- Croatia
@Ceslas There are some issues with the Shattarah coalition's army numbers in Terokkar.
1) 2 Blood Elf Armies
They have 2.5 armies max in Outland (not 3) thanks to those desertions that I caused 3 turns ago. The majority of their force is in the Netherstorm, where they were shown to have 3 armies. That's twice the total number of armies that they can even muster.
2) 2 Expedition Armies
They fielded their entire force. This would mean that they abandoned Honour Hold for a while while there were still Fel Horde and Legion armies in Hellfire and that they also brought in the Wizards posted in the Netherstorm (which is somewhat possible now that they're allied with Kael).
3) 3 Aldor Armies
Again, this would mean that they brought their entire force to the field. 0.5-1 Army should've been stationed and destroyed in those Draenei enclaves. They've previously shown that they're able to inflict a serious loss against a badly prepared attacker.
I've only employed parts of my force in offensives, meaning I've had a certain number of armies staying behind to deal with the enclaves or manning defenses where needed. The NPC factions shouldn't magically know that I won't strike at a certain location and then deploy their entire force in one place.
With this in mind, they shouldn't have been able to defeat the Legion in Terokkar and then proceed to drive out the Arrakoa and the Illidari to this extent, especially as woodlands can benefit the defender and my plan included weakening parts of their force and presumed that Velen would send forces from the west.
1) 2 Blood Elf Armies
They have 2.5 armies max in Outland (not 3) thanks to those desertions that I caused 3 turns ago. The majority of their force is in the Netherstorm, where they were shown to have 3 armies. That's twice the total number of armies that they can even muster.
2) 2 Expedition Armies
They fielded their entire force. This would mean that they abandoned Honour Hold for a while while there were still Fel Horde and Legion armies in Hellfire and that they also brought in the Wizards posted in the Netherstorm (which is somewhat possible now that they're allied with Kael).
3) 3 Aldor Armies
Again, this would mean that they brought their entire force to the field. 0.5-1 Army should've been stationed and destroyed in those Draenei enclaves. They've previously shown that they're able to inflict a serious loss against a badly prepared attacker.
I've only employed parts of my force in offensives, meaning I've had a certain number of armies staying behind to deal with the enclaves or manning defenses where needed. The NPC factions shouldn't magically know that I won't strike at a certain location and then deploy their entire force in one place.
With this in mind, they shouldn't have been able to defeat the Legion in Terokkar and then proceed to drive out the Arrakoa and the Illidari to this extent, especially as woodlands can benefit the defender and my plan included weakening parts of their force and presumed that Velen would send forces from the west.
- Location
- Croatia
I had previously explicitly asked you if the Sunfury max was now 2.5 and you confirmed that. They used 5 armies in total this turn (in Terokkar and Netherstorm).
- Location
- Croatia
So the Alliance players are commanding the rival Outland coalition to attack me and not the Legion and after I counterratack they try to shame me in the Discord
@Duzzit @LurkingNorth @Walker Of Chaos @SalvaW @Magnive @King Tharassian @Zeller
- Location
- Denmark
The attacks on you, to date, have been the following:So the Alliance players are commanding the rival Outland coalition to attack me and not the Legion and after I counterratack they try to shame me in the Discord
@Duzzit @LurkingNorth @Walker Of Chaos @SalvaW @Magnive @King Tharassian @Zeller
Attacks through random Fel Horde-controlled territory in Hellfire for the purpose of linking Honor Hold and Terokkar.
Attacks on Arokkoa forces, who are only very loosely aligned and who hold Auchindoun, where Shadow Council forces are also present.
This was after you attacked Draenei forces to "take hostages", and you decided that a proper response for the first of the above was to totally ignore the Legion and all but wipe the Mag'har off the map, plus apparently trying to do incursions into Terokkar.
To be honest, I'm surprised that Ceslas hasn't relieved you of the Illidari because you're acting directly contrary to Illidan's characterization of being utterly obsessed with the Legion.
- Location
- Budapest, Hungary
I'm not Alliance and I haven't shamed you or anyone else on any platform.So the Alliance players are commanding the rival Outland coalition to attack me and not the Legion and after I counterratack they try to shame me in the Discord
@Duzzit @LurkingNorth @Walker Of Chaos @SalvaW @Magnive @King Tharassian @Zeller
Once you declare that you intend to punish certain traitors, you *have to* expect pre-emptive strikes from any potential parties who view said declaration a threat.
Since you've picked the Illidari, you should have put more effort into making clear who you want as your friends or at least be neutral toward.
- Location
- Croatia
For my first 3 turns all of my attacks were aimed at the Legion with the sole exception of taking Aldor hostages and the whole purpose of that was to deter Shattarah attacks precisely so that I may focus on the Legion. In BC Illidan did far more fighting against Shattarah than I did up to this point. Your first attack on the Arokkoa directly prevented me from destroying the Shadow Council that turn.
And I didn't order attacks into Warmaul lands either, I just wanted to install a friendly regime among them and it got out of hand.
That's true.
I only wrote that I'd go against the treacherous neighbours after they've already attacked me.
I literally spent 3 turns offering deals to Velen who was allied with Sunfury for most of that time.
- Location
- Budapest, Hungary
As far as I'm concerned I could be considered a treacherous neighbor. I have only gained control of the BE forces in Outland just now.
You've also baited BElves back to your service using underhanded tactics. Attempting to pacify an ally of mine is not an act of friendship either.
You've also baited BElves back to your service using underhanded tactics. Attempting to pacify an ally of mine is not an act of friendship either.
Alias
Lord of Otters
- Location
- Northrend
The Kalimdor turn update did not mention any. Also I haven't moved out of pocket of territory besides moving into the mountain pass. I wouldn't be surprised that when I move my troops into southern Tanaris proper, that I would encounter some.
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Duzzit
CSC 1st Multiversal Fleet Commander
- Location
- London, UK
The turn update might not have, but several of us (me, gnome, horde) have made encounters through PM actions, so I figured to check with the other person on kalimdor to see where they are spreading.
I don't suppose you want to join the rest of us on discord?
would make for better comms/plotting.
SneakyWalrus
Is the Water Free?
So the Alliance players are commanding the rival Outland coalition to attack me and not the Legion and after I counterratack they try to shame me in the Discord
@Duzzit @LurkingNorth @Walker Of Chaos @SalvaW @Magnive @King Tharassian @Zeller
Pretty sure your previous actions have been in the vein of; 'Forcing uncorrupted orcs to deliberately drink Demon Blood while the remaining refugees listen to their screams as they escape', 'getting the naga to start mind controlling/enslaving the local ogres', 'attempting to take numerous civilian hostages in order to force people to not attack you', and other sundry things that have occurred has pretty much soured everyone against you.
Shit man, you're playing the equivalent of Anakin post-slaughtering a bunch of children and wondering why nobody likes you.
- Location
- Croatia
Outland is a harsh place and we need to find and employ any resources we can against the Legion.
Even if Illidan is evil (duh) the Draenei can't beat him. They could've made any cooperation dependant on Illidan promising to leave Ogres and brown Orcs alone.
Since the Alliance factions in Outland won't work with me, I have to recruit Ogres and Orcs and eliminate the threat Velen's coalition poses to my campaign against the Legion.
- Location
- Croatia
The bold part is clearly a complete fabrication, as evident from this exchange, made before any supposed "Illidari first strike"
Furthermore, the Aldor have proven time and time again that they won't accept a peace deal. Illidan has weakened the Legion through constant attacks, but he still has to solidify his power base for further battles against Kil'Jaeden and his followers knew what kind of person they signed up to fight under. Shattarah is the side preventing meaningful offensives against the Legion.
The hostage taking incident was never meant to be a first strike and Illidan's followers know this. Even Velen recognised that the Illidari didn't move with murderous intent. The Draenei are the ones who are using it as an excuse to pursue a war with us.
Also: My warplan for Hellfire had my armies destroy any enemy presence in the field before moving to finish off Honor Hold. This includes Sunfury and Aldor positions in the region, not just the Expedition.