Loktarogar
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[X] I am unifier, the brother who seeks forgiveness and to heal the pains caused by my kind. (Water)
I really don't want air to win, if fire was winning more i would go fire, but air is not Dranosh at all.
I really don't want air to win, if fire was winning more i would go fire, but air is not Dranosh at all.
Derek58
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Vote tally:
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[] I am the free, that of the Mag'har. Pure, and purified, of the taint of fel things. (Earth)
No. of votes: 11
Nix's Warden, Sinsystems, Alectai, Heretek, yrsillar, notanautomaton, Kairae, Guilliman, Carrnage, avonphoenix, Pathos
[] I am unifier, the brother who seeks forgiveness and to heal the pains caused by my kind. (Water)
No. of votes: 38
Outoftheinferno, Iandude0, thehermit242, Massgamer, Derek58, Alex pears, Karion, Void Stalker, HanEmpire, Razor One, MagusBlack, veekie, tarrangar, Timaeus, Droman, tenchifew, Archanist, Tylonius, Beyogi, Whumbly, TheHappyVampire, Frankite316, Cjdavis103, ebolasos, rippleuser344, jwolfe_beta, Vilegrave, Chaosbrain, Riggnarock, GiftOfLove, Serxeid, banelord, Deathwings, NotAlwaysFanfic, wingstrike96, Arkatekt, Kelenas, Loktarogar
[] I am orc. Scion of Nagrand, Land of the Wind. I am no more. I am no less. For that is enough. (Air)
No. of votes: 36
Ashynarr, Nervos Belli, Astaroh-M, Ando Owen, afterthought53, Romv, FullNothingness, Dark Ness, Somebodynobody10, Crowhunter, Andrew5073, CreepyShutIn, Stormgear, Khepri14, Darkcrest, Thanatos757, SneakyWalrus, Nox, Shard, ArchAIngel, rx915, bzzt3421, Avalon, ChaosTheVoid, Candymancer, Kir the Wizard, DragonParadox, Daecl, Dormin, Smugraptor, Delwgun, Nakura, staplesdex2, Lost Star, Zoxabels, The Stormbringer
[] I am the blood of the Blackrock. Through fire and forges we took our place in the world. (Fire)
No. of votes: 16
Reklaw, Qeqre, Krowe, EricShin, Skybreaker, Garlak, Karugus, al103, kitsune9, The Grim Squeaker, Restalaan, jadankorr, Dark Abstraction, TheNotoriousSMP, LokiTheDarkGod, backgroundnoise
##### 3.21
[] I am the free, that of the Mag'har. Pure, and purified, of the taint of fel things. (Earth)
No. of votes: 11
Nix's Warden, Sinsystems, Alectai, Heretek, yrsillar, notanautomaton, Kairae, Guilliman, Carrnage, avonphoenix, Pathos
[] I am unifier, the brother who seeks forgiveness and to heal the pains caused by my kind. (Water)
No. of votes: 38
Outoftheinferno, Iandude0, thehermit242, Massgamer, Derek58, Alex pears, Karion, Void Stalker, HanEmpire, Razor One, MagusBlack, veekie, tarrangar, Timaeus, Droman, tenchifew, Archanist, Tylonius, Beyogi, Whumbly, TheHappyVampire, Frankite316, Cjdavis103, ebolasos, rippleuser344, jwolfe_beta, Vilegrave, Chaosbrain, Riggnarock, GiftOfLove, Serxeid, banelord, Deathwings, NotAlwaysFanfic, wingstrike96, Arkatekt, Kelenas, Loktarogar
[] I am orc. Scion of Nagrand, Land of the Wind. I am no more. I am no less. For that is enough. (Air)
No. of votes: 36
Ashynarr, Nervos Belli, Astaroh-M, Ando Owen, afterthought53, Romv, FullNothingness, Dark Ness, Somebodynobody10, Crowhunter, Andrew5073, CreepyShutIn, Stormgear, Khepri14, Darkcrest, Thanatos757, SneakyWalrus, Nox, Shard, ArchAIngel, rx915, bzzt3421, Avalon, ChaosTheVoid, Candymancer, Kir the Wizard, DragonParadox, Daecl, Dormin, Smugraptor, Delwgun, Nakura, staplesdex2, Lost Star, Zoxabels, The Stormbringer
[] I am the blood of the Blackrock. Through fire and forges we took our place in the world. (Fire)
No. of votes: 16
Reklaw, Qeqre, Krowe, EricShin, Skybreaker, Garlak, Karugus, al103, kitsune9, The Grim Squeaker, Restalaan, jadankorr, Dark Abstraction, TheNotoriousSMP, LokiTheDarkGod, backgroundnoise
Water still has a small lead.
GiftOfLove
From the Heart
Apparently Dranosh is highly attuned to both Water and Air.
It would be cool if we could pick up whichever fails to win now later. It would be an interesting combo.
It would be cool if we could pick up whichever fails to win now later. It would be an interesting combo.
[X] I am orc. Scion of Nagrand, Land of the Wind. I am no more. I am no less. For that is enough. (Air)
Massgamer
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Agreed. I find that out of all the options I like air the least for Dranosh.
Can someone please explain why people seem drawn to the air option?
Mass that has been explained a lot. Please stop being so pushy.
Massgamer
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I still don't get it yet and it's confusing so I'm trying to find an answer so I can more effectively state my reasons to go against it.
Alright though I'll drop it since at this point I doubt I could change any minds of those that voted air.
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Mass your being pushy again. All that is most likely you are going do is cause them to vote for air out of annoyance.
Massgamer
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Didn't mean to but I see your point and already edited it out.
Also it's hard not to be a little pushy when I feel people are voting for air for the wrong reasons but whatever.
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Go back and read through the multi-page back and forth that Queqre and I went through, or read Kir the Wizard's explanation, or Ashynarr's.
My argument is that, when all else is stripped away, at the very core of his being, Dranosh is an Orc. Being an Orc can mean many, many things, but it's the only one of the four choices that adequately explains the full breadth of Dranosh's character.
Massgamer
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Not really since the idea of being an Orc is cultural in the end and without a culture to base it on being an Orc can be anything.
What matters is what one feels along with their actions, and based on that Dranosh fits water best since he has been seeking to fix the damage the Horde has done among his people, others, and stop the reason behind it from causing problems again.
Nervos Belli
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Air to me is about acceptance. Acknowledging who we are and where we came from. Accepting the sins of the father and working to atone for them because that's the right thing to do.
I don't like water because of the emphasis on forgiveness. We don't forgive others. We literally beat the crimes of the Horde into the Maghar, and we're going to hate them and everything they stand for forever. We don't seek forgiveness. We help other species because it benefits us or because it's the right thing to do, not because we want them to forgive us. Some of them do, some of them don't, but we still offer what aid they will accept.
Air isn't apathetic or detached. It's being honest with oneself about your capabilities and limits, and striving to push back those limits wherever possible, while accepting there are some things we will never be able to do. I see it as very Zen-like.
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The reason I personally like water least is because when I read the description of water I don't think of Dranosh, the image that pops up in my head is Priest Garrosh. I would have prefered either fire or earth to win since those seems to fit better then air to me, but only air have a chance at beating out water so it got my vote.
Massgamer
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No that sounds more like Water while Air feels to me like we don't care like the New Horde.
We want people to forgive us though and has been noted several times in the quest our people are sort of on a crusade to make up for the wrongs done.
Making up for the Hordes' crimes and beating the Legion are our primary goals I feel.
No it is detachment based on how I read it.
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Yes, an Orc can be anything. That's precisely the point. The idea of Being An Orc is a cultural thing- but that is not what it means to Be An Orc. That is what culture says an Orc should be, what history says an Orc should be, but an Orc is so much more than either of those things. It's a recognition of all that he is, and all that he has the potential to be, and it's a recognition of all the strength of all his ancestors and comrades in the Mag'har. It's also an understanding that Orcs are flawed, that they can do terrible things, but also that they can make up for those things.
That's not forgiveness. That's healing wounds, sure, but it's more acceptance and acknowledgment of error, and the promise that they can do better. As @Nervos Belli says, Dranosh has anything but forgiveness for the Old Horde.
Massgamer
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Not sure how this connects with air in anyway.
And this sounds a awful lot like water.
Never said we should forgive everyone only those that we can peacefully interact with since it's not like the Fel Horde or Legion would even want peace in the first place.
We forgive those that have done wrong but want to be better not those that actively seek to be evil.
There is forgiving and then there is just being stupid.
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Answer the question: What is an Orc? And I don't just mean biologically. What is an Orc, in the full scope of What An Orc Is?
That's because part of what Dranosh is is a unifier, but that's only part. He's also a taker-of-vengeance, a warrior, a killer and a protector. Soon he'll be a father. The thing about Air is that it encompasses all these things. It is the only one that fully describes who Dranosh is. You're right, it does sound like water. But there is also fire there, and earth as well, and countless other things that go into making a person a person. Air is just the choice that represents that totality in this situation.
If the categorization were rearranged, I would still vote for that totality, no matter what element it would fall under.
Massgamer
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Nothing and everything simply depends on actions.
And based on Dranoshs' actions I think he fits water best.
I'm not saying that Dranosh is not a mix of the things but I personally think he is mostly water which is why I'm voting for it and I see air as as being a detachment from everything else.
backgroundnoise
Getting Too Old For This...
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Is why I voted Fire mate.
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I disagree. I believe Air to be an acceptance of everything that an orc can be and do. There's no detachment there; he's just saying 'I am an Orc, and any Orc could do as I have done' and that is a tremendously powerful message.
Massgamer
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Then we both have different ideas of what air is then since I feel that is too simple and Dranosh is more than that.
It's tough trying to argue for something when you don't know when you are right or not since we could both be wrong on this subject due to it's nature.
Ashynarr
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I think in the end I'm more amuse that the two elements with the most votes are the fluid elements. In either case we'll end up with a more flowing style, which should be suitably awesome to watch.
I don't really have much else to offer for Air since I already gave my arguments and the others are giving far better ones. Whoever wins, though, I think torroar is the true winner if only because of the sheer amount of discussion we've put into this. Of course we'll also win then because we'll get more awesome updates and one day find out what will happen when we reach the return of Azeroth's forces.
I don't really have much else to offer for Air since I already gave my arguments and the others are giving far better ones. Whoever wins, though, I think torroar is the true winner if only because of the sheer amount of discussion we've put into this. Of course we'll also win then because we'll get more awesome updates and one day find out what will happen when we reach the return of Azeroth's forces.