ChaosTheVoid
Beyond the Outer Gates
Still hoping for Orc Katana.
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Getting Too Old For This...
- Location
- The Shadowlands
I agree with you, and I'm a bit sad that it probably won't win. That said, I favor caring water over indifferent wind or stubborn earth, and will switch my vote accordingly if I absolutely have to.
- Location
- A Place Miserably Bereft of Cats
Wind is easy to misconstrue as indifferent, but it feels more humble than anything else. It's admitting that, while Dranosh is many things, he is still, fundamentally, an orc just as any other orc. Paradoxically, wind is simultaneously more down-to-earth and more liberated than any of the other options.
What makes him who he is is not his bloodline, or his purity or anything like that- it's who he is as a person, as an orc, and the fundamental strength that he draws simply from being who he is. He became to be many of the things he is not because of who his parents were- there were certainly many other Blackrock who didn't reach the heights to which Dranosh has achieved- but through his personality and his will to act on all that he is. Everything else stems from that, I feel.
What makes him who he is is not his bloodline, or his purity or anything like that- it's who he is as a person, as an orc, and the fundamental strength that he draws simply from being who he is. He became to be many of the things he is not because of who his parents were- there were certainly many other Blackrock who didn't reach the heights to which Dranosh has achieved- but through his personality and his will to act on all that he is. Everything else stems from that, I feel.
Honestly anything is better than more chest-beating that water will bring. Self-recrimination taken to an extreme becomes arrogance in its own right.
ChaosTheVoid
Beyond the Outer Gates
I think Dranosh has enough humble pie, there's such a thing as going over board.
- Location
- A Place Miserably Bereft of Cats
There's a difference between the humility that comes from recognizing where you come from and where you stand with respect to the world and the other people in it, and the humility that comes from crushing failure or the revelation of disturbing, embarrassing or horrifying truth about your heritage, nature or actions. That's kind of what Wind is about- it's far more the former than the latter, and it's something that can only help Dranosh connect with his fellow orcs. It's something that can help him get a handle on the fury and the rage inspired by the Old Horde and grow beyond it as a person.
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GiftOfLove
From the Heart
Water isn't about that at all? It's forgiveness, healing, and unity.
I disagree. I see it as looking to much into the past for answers and being bound too much by it.
GiftOfLove
From the Heart
Care to elaborate?
Defining Dranosh's very identity by what the horde did and the need to atone. This strikes me as an unhealthy attitude in the long run and not a bit arrogant in assuming guilt that is ultimately not his.
The Stormbringer
Worm Fanfic & Crack Connoisseur
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- Spaaaaace~!
I have been convinced. The Furies are jerks, and we are in this for power. To become a Blademaster is more important than any ephemeral understanding of the Elements.
[X] I am orc. Scion of Nagrand, Land of the Wind. I am no more. I am no less. For that is enough. (Air)
[X] I am orc. Scion of Nagrand, Land of the Wind. I am no more. I am no less. For that is enough. (Air)
Where are you getting that this will do that?
Ask a man (or orc) who he is and he starts talking about seeking forgiveness for crimes that he did not commit...
We have enough misappropriated guilt on the PC as it is. No need to reinforce that attitude.
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GiftOfLove
From the Heart
I still can't see how you came to this conclusion. It says nothing about defining himself by his guilt. Who is Dranosh? A unifier who brings people together, one who seeks forgiveness for himself and offers it to others. An orc that heals hearts as well as bodies.
That is not who he is, it is what he is. For the quest for Atonement to legitimately be what ultimately defines him as a person he would have to be guilty to begin with.
I don't see Dranosh as one who seeks forgiveness. He's one who rallies. Who pushes others. Who fights and inspires.
He's given his all to help his people, but forgiveness was never in his makeup, Rage was. Defiance most definitely. Determination. Dranosh is someone who has acknowledged the sins of his people, but says "They were not me." Others have taken up the redemption angle. His has always been rage and anger at the demons and those who broke their morals.
Forgiveness has not been part of that.
He's given his all to help his people, but forgiveness was never in his makeup, Rage was. Defiance most definitely. Determination. Dranosh is someone who has acknowledged the sins of his people, but says "They were not me." Others have taken up the redemption angle. His has always been rage and anger at the demons and those who broke their morals.
Forgiveness has not been part of that.
GiftOfLove
From the Heart
Who he is, is Dranosh.
All other answers will be 'what' he is. When someone asks you to define yourself beyond 'I am me' you generally use language to express that.
Notably, the question is 'from what does it come?'. I interpreted that as 'at your base your first instinct is to ----'.
The part you take exception with seems to be 'a brother who seeks forgiveness'. However that has a pretty different connotation than 'i am guilty'. To me it says 'I seek to make things right when I have wronged.' And puts it in a context as if he is treating others with the same respect he would family.
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That last bit would be a terrible way for a warlord to behave.
As for the other part, "seeks forgiveness" implies the existence of guilt. This is not a conditional or hypothetical statement.
