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Warcraft: The Rise of the Mag'har

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Skybreaker said:
We will let them live there but that is our land.
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Strictly speaking, it's Draenei land. Talador and Shadowmoon were their big centers of population.

Orcs held Nagrand, Frostfire, and Taanan Jungle, and had a presence in Gorgrond and Shadowmoon, but they were guests in the latter two cases, as Gorgrond was the center of the war between the Breakers and the Primals.

The Arrakoa held the Spires, but those don't exist anymore.
 
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Avalon said:
We're almost to The Frozen Throne actually. Since Illidan is slated to pop up in Outlands soon.
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ok
i don't know much about about Mr blind demon power night elf
but
it is a good idea to team up with him and his Blood elf and Naga allies
 
IF anything, Talador would become a Draenei Holding.

It's where Shattrath is.

It's where Auchindoun is, if the draenei ever get around to reclaiming that.

The Alliance has one of their two settlements there, the larger one is in fact Hellfire Citadel, which they possess still because Kargath Bladefist never retook it with Legion backers. The Legion and Kargath are in Shadowmoon Valley.

The purple flying serpents (Netherwing) flew into Zangarmarsh, but are quite good at hiding.
 
*Shrug* I just remember Torroar talking about them popping up soon.
Z000 said:
it is a good idea to team up with him and his Blood elf and Naga allies
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Also, this is Probably unlikely considering Illidan is pretty much full demon by the time he gets to Outland. Especially with the Mag'har anti demon outlook.

Much more likely we'll help Maiev put him away.
 
Avalon said:
*Shrug* I just remember Torroar talking about them popping up soon.

Also, this is Probably unlikely considering Illidan is pretty much full demon by the time he gets to Outland. Especially with the Mag'har anti demon outlook.

Much more likely we'll help Maiev put him away.
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We are more likely to kill him. I don't think we would approve of him being held in darkness for ten thousand years.
 
so if we kill him
then what do we do with the blood elf and naga
what i remember of the blood elf was that they got shit on by the human general after their city got wreck and their power source corrupted
they just follow Mr blind eye cause he promise them something to replace the sunwell thingy and a place to live
naga . . . . . i got nothing
 
For the Blood Elves, Depends. If we can recruit the High Elves in the Alliance Expedition, that should be a major in. If not... Eh.
 
It all depends. By what I'm able to figure, Kael and Vashj showed up right when Maiev 'finally' captured Ilidan, despite entering the portal shortly after him weeks or perhaps even months before Kael managed to progress from loyal Alliance man to angry prison breaker and Dalaran-portal-entererer
 
To be fair. The blood elves didn't do their whole draining thing until After Kael spent some time with Illidan and Illidan+Vashj convinced him it was the only way until a more permanent solution was found.

And if we have some high elves with us anyway. We could create alternative magic sources. Moon wells for on instance were the main source of man for the High Elves that stayed with the alliance. And there's probably other ideas as well.
 
Eh, it's not actually required to find new sources.

As proven in canon, Illidan's little vials he's got are perfectly capable of creating something that can remove addiction to magic. Those vials are superbly powerful.
 
Eh, I'm assuming that the vials get lost somehow if we axe Illidan. But yea, of course those vials are powerful. They're pretty much waters from the Original Well of Eternity. A fount of pure magic almost never seen before or since.
 
Avalon said:
Eh, I'm assuming that the vials get lost somehow if we axe Illidan. But yea, of course those vials are powerful. They're pretty much waters from the Original Well of Eternity. A fount of pure magic almost never seen before or since.
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We would also have to be insane to to use those on draenor. We are in the twisting nether. So making a giant well of pure magic would have all the burning legion come after us and not be stopped like they would if we weren't.
 
torroar said:
Eh, Illidan made the Un-Addiction-Afier on Outland. S'not going to break things.
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I'm less worried about it breaking things and more the burning legion going "Hey look. There's a huge source of magic in the twisting nether that we can get to just fine since it lacks those pesky protections a planet in reality* would have against us." and have the whole burning legion come at us at once.

I use the term reality because can't think of a better word to describe where azeroth is and where Draenor used to be beyond material realm. And I'm not to sure that is a correct way to describe it.
 
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The only thing that might really justify using those Vials would be actually spending that energy to create new land right away. One of the problems with Outland is that it is really, really small, and not really that rich in resources. To the point where it's only real strategic value is it's location, being easy for the Legion to reach, while having a connection to a location they actually do want.

We're fine for now, but it kind of precludes empire building when we're living on what amounts to being a single continent that's had a good chunk of itself blown off, and only basically amounts to being a free-floating crust. Nagrand may be rich in resources, but Outland in it's current state will only really be habitable for another generation or two before its remaining resources are exhausted.
 
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Alectai said:
The only thing that might really justify using those Vials would be actually spending that energy to create new land right away. One of the problems with Outland is that it is really, really small, and not really that rich in resources. To the point where it's only real strategic value is it's location, being easy for the Legion to reach, while having a connection to a location they actually do want.

We're fine for now, but it kind of precludes empire building when we're living on what amounts to being a single continent that's had a good chunk of itself blown off, and only basically amounts to being a free-floating crust. Nagrand may be rich in resources, but Outland in it's current state will only really be habitable for another generation or two before its remaining resources are exhausted.
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Actually, Gorgrond/Frostfire is still really full of mineral resources. Gorgrond was the industrial heart of the Iron Horde for a good reason.
 
Alectai said:
The only thing that might really justify using those Vials would be actually spending that energy to create new land right away. One of the problems with Outland is that it is really, really small, and not really that rich in resources. To the point where it's only real strategic value is it's location, being easy for the Legion to reach, while having a connection to a location they actually do want.

We're fine for now, but it kind of precludes empire building when we're living on what amounts to being a single continent that's had a good chunk of itself blown off, and only basically amounts to being a free-floating crust. Nagrand may be rich in resources, but Outland in it's current state will only really be habitable for another generation or two before its remaining resources are exhausted.
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Hence my plan to land outland on azeroth and have the furies, the elementals of azeroth, the dragonflights, Dalanorn, and anyone else we can think of help attach it to that world.
 
Skybreaker said:
If we could do that by giving them to the furies I wonder if we would get more blackrock as a result.
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Eh, let's not be underestimating the new metals that start forming as a result of everything that went on. Fel Iron is basically safe to use as long as you don't put it to use for demonic purposes, and Adamantite is really nice. Khorium is also incredible.

I mean, taking aside the constant progression of stuff, Khorium-alloy is one of the toughest, most magically conductive materials in the setting. Elementium is the only thing in it's league.
 
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