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GhostKing 666
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There is also the whole "becoming one with nature and freely using the power of nature" part of druidism. Frankly I totally understand if Nerubians can never be druids, besides their urban nature clashing with the whole "one with nature" part there is the fact that Nerubians where created by the Old Gods and apparently have Old God blood in their veins which would be a HUGE clash with the power of druidism(what with nature in Azaroth being made and designed by the Titans who are huge enemies of the Old Gods). Which is fine by me, no single race has access to every class* and doing so would be making the spider people into a mary sue race. Just let it be with things like Druidism and maybe shamanism(not sure how the elements would react to us, Old God heritage and all) as classes that Nerubians are banned from do to Old God heritage. Just be satisfied with the Warrior, Hunter, Mage, Warlock, Rogue, Priest, and Necromancer(replacement for Death Knight) classes, plus maybe Paladin if we can swing that.
*Hell I wouldn't be surprised if Nerubians couldn't be Monks as well do to not having a humanoid body type and thus incapable of learning pandarian martial arts. Though if the Mantid have their own chi using martial art that might be an opening to the Monk Class.
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Eh, fair enough!
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Exactly, just as there are good reasons why Nerubians cant be druids, there are good reasons why many of the other races on Northrend can, not to mention we have been working on assimilating them into the Empire. hell its the same solution the Alliance and the Horde use to deal with racial restrictions to types of power.
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We have the Snobolds under us who already use Geomancy (Shamanism) and plan to unite the races of Northrend together under us so we can have the Furbolg for Druids since their nature makes them the best Druids we just need to solve the Old God corruption problem that plagues a lot of the tribes in Northrend.
Luckly we now have the ability to research Saronite again so we can stack RA, DD, and maybe even Golems and undead worker bonuses so we should be able to find a solution to corruption in the future.
Just wait until the current crisis ends and the next expansion pack comes out a new disaster looms on the horizon, then the devs will swing around for another balance pass and they'll get another shot at it their culture might have changed enough to give them another crack at it.
We'll have our horrifying bee-vomiting spiderbear abominations yet!
Or yeah, just go poke the Kobolds and see if any of them are up for giving it a shot and/or go help the Furbolgs and do what you can with them. Checking in with the other locals might yield interested young proto-adventurers eager to take up a class and start some tutorial quests.
We'll have our horrifying bee-vomiting spiderbear abominations yet!
Or yeah, just go poke the Kobolds and see if any of them are up for giving it a shot and/or go help the Furbolgs and do what you can with them. Checking in with the other locals might yield interested young proto-adventurers eager to take up a class and start some tutorial quests.
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That is a really possibility after we finished our research but we seem to focusing it on our beasts right now.
Beasts are better since we can afford to use them as chaff to throw at enemies.
It kind of helps that the mantid are walking on two legs while we're still using four or six of our limbs just to walk around.
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People have already talked about druidism a bit, but I feel the need to elaborate. Druidism is the dualistic magic of nature and heaven. It deals with the ways of beasts and the growing of plants, and the cycle of the moon and the movement of the stars. Where as shamanism deals with keeping the balance of the elements, druidism keeps the balance of life. The first and oldest druid is Archdruid Malfurion Stormrage, who learned the art of from the demi-god Cenarius, who himself knows the craft from his adoptive mother, Ysera.
To be a druid is to be a guardian of nature and life, and a keeper of the Emerald Dream. The Dream is the place where the Titans built the prototypes of Azeroth, and it is there that exists as the framework for Azeroth as it is. The Dream is the world as it was when the Titan's left, before the intelligent races and the passing of time changed it. Currently though, the Dream is slowly being overtaken by The Emerald Nightmare, caused by the Old God N'zoth. It is also speculated that N'zoth was the primary god to drive Neltharion mad.
IIRC the main shtick of the Titans was bringing Order to the Universe with Druidism conforming more to the "natural order".
We're an insectoid species with a caste system that includes queens, essentially we're a hive species. A hive of ants is just as much part of nature as a pack of wolves, just structured a bit differently. Living in hives inside caverns dug by our workers may be the most natural state of being for us.
The existence of Metal Nerubians in this quest implies that the automated parts of the Titanic systems do not distinguish between Nerubians and (other?) species afflicted by the curse of flesh for the purpose of (re)integration into the system.
We wouldn't be a mary-sue race if Nerubian characters came in two "races"(different castes) to play as, both of whom have different racial abilities. No Nerubian is born with the propensity for everything, quite the opposite. Nerubians are born specialized for specific tasks so I don't really agree with it being an issue of mary-sueness.
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The Emerald Nightmare isn't a thing yet. Remember this is way before the time frame of the third war. The Emerald Nightmare in its World Ending form doesn't become a thing till Fandral Staghelm plants a branch from Xavius's tree into Teldrassil. The Emerald Dream is like the Dreamlands of Lovecraft and can be shaped by the dreams of mortals. But not all dreams are pleasant, the Emerald Nightmare started off simply as the darker part of the Emerald Dream, the part shaped by the nightmares and fears of mortals. Dangerous to druid neophyts and the unwary but not a threat. Then the thing with Teldrassil happened and Xavius got into the Dream, took over the Nightmare and started Freddy Krugering the hell out of the Emerald Dream. Considering its still a decade or two till the third war happens, if it ever does, and Nordrassil hasn't been destroyed, the Night Elves haven't lost their immortality and Teldrassil hasn't been created in a misguided attempt to get said immortality back, we might never have to deal with the Emerald Nightmare at all.
Have to agree to disagree then. The way I see it, the Nerubians Old God heritage makes it impossible for nerubians to use druid magic and I don't see how that can be changed. Nor do I see the reason why its so important for Nerubians to be able to do everything when we got servant races for the things Nerubians cant do.
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Fair enough, I suppose I'm convinced. I guess we can just have our servants do it? I mean, or something?
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Thats good to know.
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Furbolgs got druids, they're at 'warm' relations. Maybe some time spent there could get them to join up or agree to help out. Blessing the fields of whatever we grow to feed our critters or whatever we want Druidism for.
Green part. It's not a threat to the waking world yet but it's still basically an attempt by the Old Gods to infect Azeroths' backup disc. Think of it as a tumor that hasn't gotten to the stage where it's spreading to the rest of the body. Not a terrible idea to remove it.
It's not entirely analogous to Lovecraft's dreamlands either, the influence of dreamers is much, much more limited in scope and it's essentially what Azeroth will reset to if any titanic system with the permissions *coughAlgaloncough* presses the proverbial button. Which is why I really want to nip the Old Gods' attempt to gain a toehold in the bud.
Since it's a form of corruption, we can't rely on the Furbolg to clear it(and because it's Old God corruption Nerubians are almost just as screwed), the Drakkari are a slave caste to be used as sacrifices(and consequently, they hate us), the Snobolds are not suited for combat, the Dryads and Green Dragonflight are probably already in the Emerald Dream which leaves... the Taunka?
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Well we have the ability to research Saronite again and we can stack bonuses on it so we should have a chance to find a means to resist or reverse corruption.
So we once we get druids we can enter the Dream and the Furbolgs have a defense against it to.
Well they are certainly great suggestion if not in great numbers like the Nerubians are at.
Honestly, i'd prefer to just leave the damn Saronite sitting in containment facilities. We stacked boni on investigating it last time, and look what the dice did then. And now Arcman is heavily hinting that failing that roll is going to result in even more catastrophic damage to us.
No, let's just go full Imperium of Man on the Old Gods and their Influence. Everything and Everyone that comes in contact with it gets purged, and then we purge the ones that did the purging for good measures.
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That was because of bad dice and no reroll ability which we have now. We might also get a bonus from using golems and undead we didn't have before when researchin Saronite so the risk of corruption is much less then before.
We need to do this or every time we face Old On influence all we can do it nothing and be taken control of.
Meh, just don't whine should the Yan-Dice strike again. A natural 1 is always a failure, after all.