Xicree
Murder.Malice.Might
The first step is coming to understand how HE understands Glory and loyalty to the empire, and figure out how to shape that to what WE want.
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The first step is coming to understand how HE understands Glory and loyalty to the empire, and figure out how to shape that to what WE want.
Arcman
Heh
That might work if your character even believed it in the first place.
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Xicree
Murder.Malice.Might
Yeah... considering the state of the empire as it is right now... We KNOW that we are easily the most dominant force on the continent. And that if we REALLY wanted to we could wipe out everything except for the Trolls to a MAN.
Unfortunately, the undead situation is kind of an unbelievable shake up in what has been a status quo with us at the very top for a LONG LONG time.
Night_stalker
Slava Ukraini!
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Soo they're slightly scared of the giant horde of spiders living beneath their feet, surely we can work with that.
Arcman
Heh
It'd actually be far worse than that, but the Empire hasn't raided any of their settlements or kidnapped their citizens for various reasons for a couple hundred years. As of now, the Empire is regarded as the
scary monster hiding in the closet for most of the relatively peaceful races in Northrend.
Honestly one thing I think we should focus on is setting up our infrastructure so it stays mostly around those anti-undead pillars torroar talked about.
That way, we have a safe place around which we can set up defenses when shit inevitably hits the fan, and it shouldn't upset our people all that much (people like infrastructure setup, so it could be an easy way to get some popularity going).
That way, we have a safe place around which we can set up defenses when shit inevitably hits the fan, and it shouldn't upset our people all that much (people like infrastructure setup, so it could be an easy way to get some popularity going).
...So basically we're like the Skaven and these people are the Empire?It'd actually be far worse than that, but the Empire hasn't raided any of their settlements or kidnapped their citizens for various reasons for a couple hundred years. As of now, the Empire is regarded as the
Night_stalker
Slava Ukraini!
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Would baking a cake help?It'd actually be far worse than that, but the Empire hasn't raided any of their settlements or kidnapped their citizens for various reasons for a couple hundred years. As of now, the Empire is regarded as the
More seriously, wait til the Horde are here, and offer our assistance. Earn some goodwill that way.
Or just point out that for a couple hundred years or so, we've been quiet, which shows we're not all evil.
Arcman
Heh
To everyone but the Trolls (Who really hate you) and the Vrykul (Who want to fight you)
That's because there hasn't been anything of interest on the surface for a long while for the Nerubians (If they bother to even find out), and also your usual method of learning from other races/individuals is kidnapping, torturing, and experimenting on them for all their worth. Make no mistake, the Nerubians are still rather evil normally.
Hey Arcman, are you doing the standard thing, where a stat in 30+ is considered Mythic?
Or, given this is warcraft and not warhammer, are we doing things differently here?
So I'm sure we can work out some sort of deal when we inevitably have to ally with them.
Or, given this is warcraft and not warhammer, are we doing things differently here?
Well killing trolls' really like a public service.
So I'm sure we can work out some sort of deal when we inevitably have to ally with them.
Arcman
Heh
I'm doing the same thing here.
...Well then!
One more point and the guy will get Mythic Martial (which I'm guessing would let him play on the same scale as Uther).
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Would it be possible to get an overview of how the races view each other? Which races hate each other (Trolls/Vrykuls vs. everyone, I assume?), which are friendly, or even allies, and which are just looking for an excuse to invade the other?
Also, is the reason that the political situation is given in races rather than nations/settlements that in this game, all races are treated as one nation (at least for Northrend)?
Also, is the reason that the political situation is given in races rather than nations/settlements that in this game, all races are treated as one nation (at least for Northrend)?
Xicree
Murder.Malice.Might
Heh... that'll hold water.
As Arc points out our usual way of doing things is frankly Terrifying, and Nerubians don't inherently value the lives of others. They value the group.
If we're going to make diplomacy with the outside happen we need to literally make a caste for it from the ground UP. This is where genetics comes inhandy for us if we selectively breed out children to be able to establish peaceful contact. Until then we need to secure our government and make sure that we establish the resources needed to convince our people to do things OUR way.
I doubt they'd trust the cake.
And depending on when we start, it's probably going to be awhile before the Horde shows up.
As for simply pointing out that we've been quiet? I think they're going to need a bit more evidence than that. Just because we stopped doing terrible things to them for a certain amount of time isn't going to mean anything to them, they might think we were just thinking up worse things to do to them.
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Xicree
Murder.Malice.Might
In northrend, for all intents and purposes... everyone hates everyone else for good reason (Sept maybe the Tuskkar and Tunka) And keep to themselves.
There's political faction amoung all of them though. But that's too much united against Outsiders to matter to us.
Honestly though our first wave of diplomats will be mistrusted as ALL HELL. Kindness nor value for life are virtues of our race. But in this we have time, and we can make it an initiative to point out that grabbing one or 2 pathetic specimens from the surface to torture till we know everything they know... is not only not going going to get us the really interesting things that others come up with, but is a waste of time ultimately since one who thinks they will die won't share anything particularly vital in doing so.
We need to argue that to understand the climate above we need to send out those who may walk among potential prey as something to command respect, as something to be adored. Point it out in our experience hunting above the surface you got far more information watching your prey go though its daily motions than you did in impaling it upon your claws and making it struggle to tell you everything it knew in vain hopes of escape.
We must argue simply that our path is more efficient for the empire.
Well hot damn, Anub-Rekhan is better at us in everything but Diplomacy
And wow, our starting economy is in excellent shape. First time I've ever seen a treasury of One Million Gold
Thats what happens when you never buy or sell anything for hundreds of years.
And you know, the whole taking everything we want because we're giant spiders.
Arcman
Heh
And wow, our starting economy is in excellent shape. First time I've ever seen a treasury of One Million Gold
Your income is absolute shit though, just be sure to remember that.
100k per turn? How long is a turn?
Derek58
Rocket Punch is Best Punch
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Ahh, makes sense. We'll have to get on fixing that right away.
Most likely a year.
Arcman
Heh
1 year.
Well, honestly thats one of our main goals. If we can convince the other races that our race of giant spiders who have centuries of past history of killing/stealing, that we only want to be friends and trade these days. Then we will be able to trade for better income.
Or we could just kill/steal some more.
Sinsystems
Patron Librarian
We haven't woken them up yet and odds are the Lich King isn't here yet either since he was only created after the 2nd war.