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[X] Continue your advance to Gundrak.
Why the hell do people want to move Maexxna? She's perfect right where she is, insuring that not Trolls leave the forts to reinforce their king. Right now the border forts have basically become prisons that the trolls inside can't leave without dying and Maexxna's presence is a good reason why that is so. And with the vast numbers and quality difference between our forces and the trolls we don't really need another elite, keeping those forts locked down would be a far better use for her.

Massgamer said:
Does anyone think that Zul'Drak would be worth repairing and taking over once we get rid of all the Ice Trolls? I mean it's a fortess, can hold a large amount of population, can become a surface city, and allows us better contact with the surface races.

Also could we make nice with the snake Loa by giving it the lives of the Old Gods followers amoung our people?
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Taking the city is a good idea, the Loa not so much. We are an atheist faction, one that knows that so-called "gods" exist but that worshipping them is retarded because its impossible to really trust something beyond this world. And frankly with how blood thirsty and sacrifice hungry Loa are they are basically the same as the Old Gods just a lot smaller in scale, so that even if we could get a Loa to agree to work with us we might as well start worshipping the Old Gods again since they are the bigger fish compared to Loa. Any talk about worshipping Loa in order to get them to help us is going to result in Anub-Rekhan and others thinking we need to be purged along with the Old Gods cultists. And it will be worshipping because that's what the relationship between mortals and gods is called when the mortals do things for gods to keep them happy in return for nice stuff.
 
GhostKing 666 said:
Taking the city is a good idea, the Loa not so much. We are an atheist faction, one that knows that so-called "gods" exist but that worshipping them is retarded because its impossible to really trust something beyond this world. And frankly with how blood thirsty and sacrifice hungry Loa are they are basically the same as the Old Gods just a lot smaller in scale, so that even if we could get a Loa to agree to work with us we might as well start worshipping the Old Gods again since they are the bigger fish compared to Loa. Any talk about worshipping Loa in order to get them to help us is going to result in Anub-Rekhan and others thinking we need to be purged along with the Old Gods cultists. And it will be worshipping because that's what the relationship between mortals and gods is called when the mortals do things for gods to keep them happy in return for nice stuff.
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Fair enough but if we do take over the city what should we do with the phyiscal form of the Snake Loa?
 
It's a god in phyical form I don't think it will taking dying well also once it's dead and in complete spirit form it can constantly screw with us. I am of the opinion that we talk to it and strike a deal with it we will free it if it vows never to harm the empire.

If anyone has any better ideas or can argue killing it will work out better please explain why.
 
Massgamer said:
It's a god in phyical form I don't think it will taking dying well also once it's dead and in complete spirit form it can constantly screw with us. I am of the opinion that we talk to it and strike a deal with it we will free it if it vows never to harm the empire.

If anyone has any better ideas or can argue killing it will work out better please explain why.
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Do, do you have any idea what Loa are?! Or how they think? They do not think like a mortal creature, you can not make deals with them and expect them to keep. You can only keep them appeased by worship and blood sacrifice. Both of which our people are not going to be very happy at the idea of. As for killing, yes it is possible to kill a Loa, the Ice Trolls killed their Loa to gain the power to fight the Scourge.
 
Carrnage said:
there could be a spider loa for northrend as well.
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And that matters to us how? We don't worship the Loa, we very likely aren't going to worship the Loa or the various Gods/spirits/entities kicking around the place. The likely future for any Loa we do get our hands on from this battle is to be rendered down into reagents for spellcasting.
 
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[X] Continue your advance to Gundrak.
[X] Recall Maexxna to support the 1st army if she's able to.
[X] Send Anu-Surket to support the 2nd army?
 
Hmm, in Savages at least some of the loa are for lack of a better term, 'benevolent'. If we ran into one of those, especially a weaker one I could see us making a purely business contract with it. After all, we don't WORSHIP the divine and other worldly, we shouldn't be averse to trading goods for services and vice versa.
 
jwolfe_beta said:
And that matters to us how? We don't worship the Loa, we very likely aren't going to worship the Loa or the various Gods/spirits/entities kicking around the place. The likely future for any Loa we do get our hands on from this battle is to be rendered down into reagents for spellcasting.
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Or we eat their hearts.
 
jwolfe_beta said:
I believe that idea falls under this guideline:

Rule 22, The Evil Overlord List
-No matter how tempted I am with the prospect of unlimited power, I will not consume any energy field bigger than my head.
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Could we study the Loa godly energy and see if it could be block? It could lead to defending againist Old God influence.
 
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