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Personally I'm annoyed at the lack of Soviet soldiers. You know, the side that did the majority of the fighting in Europe?
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galahad
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I don't get the oh noes sjw ruining my Battlefield games cries. Battlefield is mainly a multiplayer arcade shooter. It's not a historical story driven game or a realistic military sim. They could add Orcs and Dragons in a ww 2 battlefield game for all I care. What matters is is the gameplay good and fun. I have my reservations about Battlefield 5 because of this reason, and only because of this reason. Like for instance having to actually pay attention instead of having godlike HUD and minimap for situational awareness could be interesting. I am cautiously optimistic about the changes to Battlefield gameplay formula.
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As I said on SB. This would actually work really well if it was Kaiserreich.
Comrade Max
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I would kill for a Battlefield game centered around Kaiserreich, that sounds like a fucking blast.
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Customization owns except in games like Skyrim where those people need Jesus.
SteelRaptor
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Wow people aren't bothered by gameplay mechanics, what a shocker.
There is a difference between wanting basic historical accuracy/realism and wanting a 1:1 simulation of war.
Also I remember loads of people complaining about the weapons in BF1.
Jace911
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If you want basic historical accuracy there are eleven hundred gigillion WW2 games with such a veneer to entertain you.
I feel some unique loadouts could be taken that's different from most WW2 games by drawing from less known things. Mad Jack Churchill for example used a longbow instead of a rifle when leading his squad and a longsword instead of a bayonet, and even reported several successful engagements with it.
Amputee and those with prosthetic have found themselves in combat positions as well.
As a notable case Russians removed Zinaida Marchenko from their WW2 frontline nursing corps after she had lost both arms and legs.
Improvised weapons were a thing as well.
It is historical in many ways.
They weren't as numerous or always in official capacity, but they existed. And they don't deserve to be ignored entirely.
Women served and fought in various fronts in WW2, Asia-Pacific, Africa, Americas, Australia, and Europe.
Specific well known examples could be Russia, the Middle East, Germany (especially in 1944 and 1945 when they drafted elderly and children as well for final defenses so they thought they'd have to fight or die against the Russians).
The maps in these games include maps, like ones where the Germans could win the Battle of Britain with paratroopers.
These maps should have female soldiers. The British used females to man anti-aircraft batteries due to a shortage of fit adults and skilled manpower. They also used them for rifle squads for patrols of the homefront. A German invasion like the Battle of Britain map in the game Battlefield 1942 would have had them see action. Instead they are absent. They were also used as recon pilots in some cases for motorboats, other vehicles, and aircraft. And served in organizations like Special Operations Executive with sabotage and assault groups.
This is besides the case of women being factory workers, other industry roles, military positions, intelligence posts, planners, mathematicians, researchers, engineers, motivational speakers, community leaders, accountants, messengers, transport drivers, farmers, organizers, and other more traditional seen as feminine or 'female appropriate' roles that they did as well.
Similarly black soldiers also existed, on all sides.
Example, Italy invaded Ethiopia, conscripted and drafted many of the people there, and there were some people from Africa (both white and blacks from Africa and others) living in Italy before the war who were forced into service or otherwise found themselves in combat positions.
I think its notable also no war game has mentioned 442nd. Especially no US dev studio made game, and no game in general.
From wiki
"442nd Regiment is the most decorated unit in the history of American warfare"
442nd Infantry Regiment (United States) - Wikipedia
Their history is not all positive, but its not all negative either.
The are volunteers from Japanese American internment camps, who wanted to show their patriotism and for other reasons potentially. At first many were mistreated and treated with suspicion.
This and the general internment of Japanese Americans is a bit of a shameful period ('justified' by various individual things like the Niihau incident on Hawaii, that ironically led to no internment of Japanese Americans on Hawaii since they made up nearly 50% of the population and society on Hawaii would have ceased to function if they had all been jailed, not to mention not being feasible of them being jailed), but it shouldn't be ignored, it should be acknowledged and noted that we should be better in the future. There's also the friendly fire incidents that happened with Japanese Americans, even the day of Pearl Harbor where the first case of friendly fire occurred with a Japanese American officer being shot repeatedly while reporting for duty by panicked guards. Perhaps some might find that understandable, perhaps some might not or have more mixed feels on the continuum.
That's what some might consider the bad part.
The good part is how they performed, and even if some mistreated them throughout their career, there's many positive interactions they had as well with both superior ranks and peers. It could build an interesting and deep campaign, with overflowing patriotism as well as these games often have.
They're a notable unit. Which is why I think its notable they haven't been covered, especially considering how popular WW2 games were and how many were made, for many cycles.
I think I've seen some disguising complaints as 'it is historical' so much that it rings a bit false sometimes.
Maybe some believe it, but they should speak what they really mean.
"I don't prefer this aesthetic"
"It doesn't fit with my expectation of history and realism, its not what history is, but its what I expect and prefer"
"I just don't like it due to my opinions and ideas"
Those are perfectly valid complaints if more of these people would be honest with themselves and say what they mean instead of hiding behind rationalizations.
I'm still a little irritated Battlefront 2 took away character customization because people got salty about female, black, female and black, hispanic mexican, hispanic spanish, korean, asian, etc, Stormtroopers since these existed in SW canon.
Mods put them and the voices back in. I did like hearing my Stormtrooper speak with a bit of a castillian accent, since it makes sense to me that the Stormtroopers are recruited from a big galaxy. They all shouldn't sound the same. Even people from a similar region can be different in many ways.
Some disguised these complaints by claiming that the Stormtroopers should be wearing helmets at all times and have the same voice due to voice synths. Others might have actually believed that. But its silly because its been shown Stormtroopers and Imperial Army without helmets in Star Wars. Many of the complainers were honest about their views as well, saying they didn't like playing as or even seeing females or non-whites in the game. This is true for a lot of these WW2 games and even history documentaries. Roles of females and minority groups are often portrayed as irrelevant, or even worse, not shown at all and assumed they didn't exist.
Of course this is just my personal preference.
At the very least if EA was going to cave to these complainers, they could have set a toggle feature so you can turn on the character designs or turn it off. Instead of just removing it outright.
Amputee and those with prosthetic have found themselves in combat positions as well.
As a notable case Russians removed Zinaida Marchenko from their WW2 frontline nursing corps after she had lost both arms and legs.
Improvised weapons were a thing as well.
It is historical in many ways.
They weren't as numerous or always in official capacity, but they existed. And they don't deserve to be ignored entirely.
Women served and fought in various fronts in WW2, Asia-Pacific, Africa, Americas, Australia, and Europe.
Specific well known examples could be Russia, the Middle East, Germany (especially in 1944 and 1945 when they drafted elderly and children as well for final defenses so they thought they'd have to fight or die against the Russians).
The maps in these games include maps, like ones where the Germans could win the Battle of Britain with paratroopers.
These maps should have female soldiers. The British used females to man anti-aircraft batteries due to a shortage of fit adults and skilled manpower. They also used them for rifle squads for patrols of the homefront. A German invasion like the Battle of Britain map in the game Battlefield 1942 would have had them see action. Instead they are absent. They were also used as recon pilots in some cases for motorboats, other vehicles, and aircraft. And served in organizations like Special Operations Executive with sabotage and assault groups.
This is besides the case of women being factory workers, other industry roles, military positions, intelligence posts, planners, mathematicians, researchers, engineers, motivational speakers, community leaders, accountants, messengers, transport drivers, farmers, organizers, and other more traditional seen as feminine or 'female appropriate' roles that they did as well.
Similarly black soldiers also existed, on all sides.
Example, Italy invaded Ethiopia, conscripted and drafted many of the people there, and there were some people from Africa (both white and blacks from Africa and others) living in Italy before the war who were forced into service or otherwise found themselves in combat positions.
I think its notable also no war game has mentioned 442nd. Especially no US dev studio made game, and no game in general.
From wiki
"442nd Regiment is the most decorated unit in the history of American warfare"
442nd Infantry Regiment (United States) - Wikipedia
Their history is not all positive, but its not all negative either.
The are volunteers from Japanese American internment camps, who wanted to show their patriotism and for other reasons potentially. At first many were mistreated and treated with suspicion.
This and the general internment of Japanese Americans is a bit of a shameful period ('justified' by various individual things like the Niihau incident on Hawaii, that ironically led to no internment of Japanese Americans on Hawaii since they made up nearly 50% of the population and society on Hawaii would have ceased to function if they had all been jailed, not to mention not being feasible of them being jailed), but it shouldn't be ignored, it should be acknowledged and noted that we should be better in the future. There's also the friendly fire incidents that happened with Japanese Americans, even the day of Pearl Harbor where the first case of friendly fire occurred with a Japanese American officer being shot repeatedly while reporting for duty by panicked guards. Perhaps some might find that understandable, perhaps some might not or have more mixed feels on the continuum.
That's what some might consider the bad part.
The good part is how they performed, and even if some mistreated them throughout their career, there's many positive interactions they had as well with both superior ranks and peers. It could build an interesting and deep campaign, with overflowing patriotism as well as these games often have.
They're a notable unit. Which is why I think its notable they haven't been covered, especially considering how popular WW2 games were and how many were made, for many cycles.
I think I've seen some disguising complaints as 'it is historical' so much that it rings a bit false sometimes.
Maybe some believe it, but they should speak what they really mean.
"I don't prefer this aesthetic"
"It doesn't fit with my expectation of history and realism, its not what history is, but its what I expect and prefer"
"I just don't like it due to my opinions and ideas"
Those are perfectly valid complaints if more of these people would be honest with themselves and say what they mean instead of hiding behind rationalizations.
I'm still a little irritated Battlefront 2 took away character customization because people got salty about female, black, female and black, hispanic mexican, hispanic spanish, korean, asian, etc, Stormtroopers since these existed in SW canon.
Mods put them and the voices back in. I did like hearing my Stormtrooper speak with a bit of a castillian accent, since it makes sense to me that the Stormtroopers are recruited from a big galaxy. They all shouldn't sound the same. Even people from a similar region can be different in many ways.
Some disguised these complaints by claiming that the Stormtroopers should be wearing helmets at all times and have the same voice due to voice synths. Others might have actually believed that. But its silly because its been shown Stormtroopers and Imperial Army without helmets in Star Wars. Many of the complainers were honest about their views as well, saying they didn't like playing as or even seeing females or non-whites in the game. This is true for a lot of these WW2 games and even history documentaries. Roles of females and minority groups are often portrayed as irrelevant, or even worse, not shown at all and assumed they didn't exist.
Of course this is just my personal preference.
At the very least if EA was going to cave to these complainers, they could have set a toggle feature so you can turn on the character designs or turn it off. Instead of just removing it outright.
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CompassJimbo
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It'll probably be part of a DLC pack, I feel. Just like BF1's… I believe it was the "Apocalypse" expansion. Personally, I'd love to see the Chinese front, with the Nationalists and Communists having a hard time getting along while trying to drive the Japanese out, though I'll take the Southeast Asia campaigns if they can't do it for some reason (
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Victor-Z
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Oh lol, the comment section of every damn video that's remotely related to battlefield is full of salty sods.
Battlefield '43 video commenter: "better than Battlefield Vagina amirite?"
Some unrelated shooter video commenter: "at least it's not feministfield amirite?"
Made me wanna buy V if I had a good pc.
Battlefield '43 video commenter: "better than Battlefield Vagina amirite?"
Some unrelated shooter video commenter: "at least it's not feministfield amirite?"
Made me wanna buy V if I had a good pc.
obssesednuker
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I gotta say, I haven't had anything to do with Battlefield since 3. But the idiots whining about "da wimminz" is sorely tempting me whenever I switch over to a new PC to grab it just to spite them.
I'll admit that the presentation did kind of throw me for a loop. With the exception of the Russians, women who did enlist in combat units were mostly strictly put in charge of anti-air guns in the homeland, with the kind of expectation that if the fighting actually happened, they would be rotated out by "real soldiers", and it was admittedly kind of perplexing to see people defend the presence of female combatants in the Western front as "but it happened in history".
But this is too silly-/stupid-awesome for me to care, and I'm not someone who usually actually likes silly-/stupid-awesome things. It kind of reminds me of Sucker Punch, in a way. ^_^;
But this is too silly-/stupid-awesome for me to care, and I'm not someone who usually actually likes silly-/stupid-awesome things. It kind of reminds me of Sucker Punch, in a way. ^_^;
Claudette Savagely
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Pretend he's Mad Jack Churchill except in the Forgotten 11th taking a breather in a nice colonial Burmese house before ruining fools with his looted katana and this is fine
WTF is my reaction.
Anyway WW2 games mostly a shit give us whackitty schmackitty vaguely occult GWoT shenanigans with huge customisation and moral turpitude, DICE
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Comrade Max
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Honestly now that i've seen more I'm super excited
Comrade Max
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It's on the British faction which means you could customize yourself as a Gurkha... now I'm ten times more excited
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CompassJimbo
Where’s Your North?
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It appears that we shall never get to have nice things…
obssesednuker
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Given how much "historically accuracy" basically became the same sort of dogwhistle as "ethics in video gaming journalism" over the past month, that's just as well.
The Victorian
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I've only played the very first Battlefield game (Battlefield 1942), and in that game you could hop in a tank, drive to an airfield, jump in a plane, fly over the ocean, bail out, and take command of a battleship.
It's quite obvious that "historical accuracy" went out the window a long time ago.
It's quite obvious that "historical accuracy" went out the window a long time ago.
Woah woah woah, did I see a tank shell bounce off of another tank's armor there? That seems new. IIRC, BF4 and BF1 didn't have any armor mechanics besides "small arms can't pen". Are my years of experience with shitty Russian tank MMOs going to be relevant all of a sudden?
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