Alexander Snow
Mad Artificer
I thought SSD was Super Star Destroyer?
Unbound (Homeworld/Mass Effect)
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Arimai
Curmudgeon
Older Scifi used Navy naming convention. SSD was a coincidence with Star Wars. Bigger than SSD was a Monitor, then Super Monitor, then outright planetoids and planet classes. Then there are the Megastructural ships that range from gas giant to miniature galaxy in size.
With that said. @Geas the Higaraans are in great shape, a Progenitor Seed Ship has everything needed to build the entire Progenitor civilization from the ground up. Given sufficient time. It can build all those awe Inspiring megastructures you stumble into during the series. Eventually the Great Hyperspace Core Forges themselves. That Seed Ship is a massive I WIN button. Primary target if the Reapers and Council realize just exactly what it is.
I have to wonder what happened that the Progenitors vanished when they seeded and built on multiple galaxies. There has to be one where they survived intact if for nothing else than the Law of Averages.
Instead of Killer, Slayer or Bearer of Death or Deathbearer would have the importance of Benyamin's title, with the gravitas and emphasis the captured Higaraan is trying to impart to Vasir. In older times the Executioner was seen as the Hand of Justice when carrying out his duties. As such he as a person is blameless of the sins committed in carrying out the sentence of his prisoners.
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Guardsman_Sparky
The Clueless Wonder
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My personal thoughts on the matter is that either the entire progenitor race transcended from flesh to energy, the progenitors devolved into barbarism and tore themselves apart in catastrophic wars, or a progenitor did a stupid and built something that killed all the progenitors everywhere all at once.
Or something like The Beast got loose in the Hyperspace gate network. Would explain why they need a capital ship with three passcodes scattered across the galaxy to unlock. That kind of security is kind of overkill.
Although Sajuuk is kind of just a smaller ship for them, so it could be just a minor security thing.
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Guardsman_Sparky
The Clueless Wonder
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Like I said, someone did a stupid.
Edit: actually, come to think of it, the Beast would be a good reason for a race to suicide themselves, especially if in the process of attempting to destroy the Beast. Could've been a Forerunners vs Flood scenario.
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Arimai
Curmudgeon
Sajuuk is a captain's shuttle, well armed mind you, but still a shuttle. Progenitors built absurdly huge for human sized people.
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It appears they managed to jigsaw the Progenitor Mothership back together and get at least the FTL online along with the life support.
That's... their idea of a SHUTTLE? What, did they fly around in mobile planets!?
jwolfe_beta
Semi Genre-Savvy Overlord
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It would appear 'when in doubt, get a bigger hammer' is a universal Hiigaran trait.
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Homeworld 2's largest map size is, as I recall, approximately an 80km sphere.
80km spheres are enormous. The individual ships are comparative specks, when you zoom out to look at the entire playfield. Fully zoomed out, only the massive Motherships and Shipyards are visible as anything but dots - and even they are tiny, barely-visible things, against the vastness of space.
Several of these maps are positively dwarfed by the Progenitor wreckage in the background - not ships, but pieces of ships: fragments, shards, broken off of some incomprehensibly large whole - that must be thousands, possibly even tens of thousands, of kilometres long.
You could say that Homeworld's writers and artists have no sense of scale. You are probably right. But, um, that's the scale they wrote and modeled the things at, so for better or for worse that's canon.
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Arimai
Curmudgeon
Probably. The Progenitor mothership seen in game is only a single module of the full ship. The Command bridge that doubles as an escape capsule. A bridge that puts the Higaraan Banana to shame. The ship fragments you find in game are larger than planets. You fly past shards larger than the massive maps you fight in as background scenery. One mission has you fighting near a Jupiter type gas giant. It's tiny compared to the bulkhead fragment that frames it.
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serra2
Himouto! Sylvanas-chan
Don't forget to buy Homework:Emergence from GoG. Probably one of the better off-shoot sequels I have seen, and the one that introduces the Somtaaw
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To put it into another perspective, the Progenitors are extra galactic, hyper advanced and low key colonizing the entire universe with seed copies of themselves.
They could also quite possibly use Hyperspace to glimpse the future if the prophecy of three or Balkora is any indication
At no point in the game is it ever implied that they think small
They could also quite possibly use Hyperspace to glimpse the future if the prophecy of three or Balkora is any indication
At no point in the game is it ever implied that they think small
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Listen when you have virtually unlimited energy, atomic reconstructors, and millions of years to kill you have to find something to pass the time. I think that stellar level mega-engineering is basically minecraft to them.
Geas
Meat Thing
To be fair, there is so much megastructure debris in the Homeworld whirlpool galaxy that it's very, very difficult to tell what most of it was originally meant to do. Tanis Station for example, where the Pride of Hiigara was built, was actually built out of a fragment of a very massive megastructure. The Progenitor mothership was literally scattered across an entire sector of space that was referred to as the Karos graveyard, and it wasn't even the biggest wreck there.
I actually stumbled across that very picture while trying to decide how Faegan looked and behaved.
I'd actually completely forgotten about the SD designation, I may use that in the future. The Clee-San II certainly fits that qualifier with its twin siege cannons.
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Couldn't hold back from reading it, and I am so loving your world building!
Arimai
Curmudgeon
Rumor has it originally it was Super Battleship class SBB, but an editor pointed out a Western reader glancing at the (SBB) designator would assume this to be Swiss Railways whose Deutsche name is often shortened to SBB. So they suggested using the retired Dreadnought Class (SD) designation, which admittedly does sound more macho.
The new draft is much better. The story flows better, kindles stronger emotions and greater dramatic impact than the first draft.
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Geas
Meat Thing
Gonna let the open-beta on this chapter continue on for several more hours to give it a little more time to percolate (@LostArchivist this is a good chance for you to recommend all those fixes for mistakes that you somehow always seem to sniff out that I always miss). Around 8AM Eastern Time (roughly 7 hours from now), I'll delete the google docs link and post the chapter.
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jwolfe_beta
Semi Genre-Savvy Overlord
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There's one thing we haven't considered about this.
When the Quarians see the extent of the Hiigaran forces, they're going to get fleet envy.
When the Quarians see the extent of the Hiigaran forces, they're going to get fleet envy.
Shadow Archon
Protoss Preserver
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A Big Bubbly Asari Amazon? Well, that's certainly something I didn't see coming.
She even snu snu'd someone...
She even snu snu'd someone...
Alexander Snow
Mad Artificer
Yeah isn't the Migrant Fleet only like 300 ships? And aren't they technically the biggest fleet in the mass effect universe outside of the Geth and the Reapers?There's one thing we haven't considered about this.
When the Quarians see the extent of the Hiigaran forces, they're going to get fleet envy.
jwolfe_beta
Semi Genre-Savvy Overlord
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Actually according to the wiki it's some 50,000 ships with a population of 17 million (still the biggest conventional fleet known). Of course unlike the Hiigarans, these aren't a collection of Dreadnought+ sized vessels. In fact aside from the three liveships I can't find any indication that the Quarians have any dreadnought scale vessels at all. It's all (in varying levels of ramshackle and always overcrowded) frigates, cruisers, cargo vessels and so on.