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Total War Three Kingdoms

If you're going by the Iliad, the gods would limit themselves to buffs and debuffs for the most part. They did engage in direct combat against one another the one time after Zeus gave them the go-ahead because Achilles was raging so hard that he was screwing up destiny around him. At which point, the pro-Greek gods pretty much crushed the pro-Trojan gods, which should be wholly unsurprising considering the respective rosters.
 
From the various comments on Reddit it really sounds like there was something up with the game that made future DLC plans impossible. But it sounds like this decision was made very quickly and marketing wasn't given much warning.
 
I don't trust specific gaming subreddits, most of them are astroturfed to hell and back.

The simple answer is a suit decided more dlc wouldn't make enough money.
 
Spectrum said:
It's not CA but...it exists!




I've beaten a campaign of the original but only put a few hours into the sequel.
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It's certainly an interesting take on things, especially the way setting up the round table goes and how some of the characters are portrayed. Or to be honest in some cases, show up to begin with. The CYOA aspects can certainly lead to some interesting outcomes to be sure as well, combat can have it's issues (balancing or otherwise but maybe I just never really mastered how to deal with opposing magic and certain enemies) but it was still enjoyable.

Can't really speak for the sequel unfortunately, buggy mess that it was left me unable to get more than a few minutes into a playthrough, but maybe some day I'll find a way to get it into playable condition.
 
I've been doing one last 3K campaign out of whimsy, as Kong Rong. Just feel like wanting a weird game where I grow tall and maintain a bastion of peace while the rest of China burns.

Unfortunately I realized quite a few turns in that the Taishi Ci event didn't fire correctly and so I had been waffling on whether it made sense to restart and make sure it goes off properly.



...nah, not restarting.

(insert various other simp statements here)

Anyway, the peninsula's basically secured and I've started using the Bank of Kong to buy away Cao Cao's provinces (Liu Bei has been stuck as a 2PM as I cut him off in Langye AND he didn't take the Tao Qian dilemma). I've got (another) lingering alliance war against Yuan Shao but they can't cross the yellow river without getting slapped around and they're ready to peace as soon as recent war dec goes down a bit more. I just need to figure out how to get enough prestige to make Marquis and I can start trying to build the vassal swarm.
 
To literally no one's surprise, Cao Cao broke a NAP and Trade Agreement to wardec me. And the rest of my coalition likes him or is too far or is entangled in too many other wars and so won't back me up.

That's fine. No one can defeat my doomstack between the ranged overkill and Zheng Jiang being basically unbeatable in duels. I just won't get to join in on curbstomping Zhang Yan with the rest of the boys (where Liu Bei has started to actually steal some land, damn him) to make homegirl feel better about losing banditbowl.

I immediately started getting absolutely hammered by Negative Spy events every turn right after that. Inspecting all my people...looks like Yan Baihu (who was on my council >.>)spent a single turn in Cao Cao's employ before making his way to me. Welp, as much as I hate to do it, I had to punt him (not before stealing his weapon, though). The next turn, I didn't get hit, so...
 
It's possible to flip spies to your side by maxing out 100 satisfaction with them for a given amount of continuous turns. I forget how many it is tho. You can also invest in stuff that increases spy action costs, since spies get given a dilemma to commit (and if they don't have the increased amount they get captured as if in battle), forcing them to either save up more (unlikely since the AI is not smart), or back off the action (also actually unlikely since AI is not smart).
 
The Englanderish said:
It's possible to flip spies to your side by maxing out 100 satisfaction with them for a given amount of continuous turns. I forget how many it is tho. You can also invest in stuff that increases spy action costs, since spies get given a dilemma to commit (and if they don't have the increased amount they get captured as if in battle), forcing them to either save up more (unlikely since the AI is not smart), or back off the action (also actually unlikely since AI is not smart).
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Yes, I know, but unfortunately It's early enough that I have deep Satisfaction issues between not having all the late research, not having deployed him for him to start getting into battles to build friendship, and Kong Rong and Zheng Jiang having butts for Authority.

I'm just going to deploy a 2nd army anyway to speed up dealing with Cao Cao. I have more money than I can actually spend right now but my borders aren't secure enough with the current war to justify buying off more territory.
 
Spectrum said:
To literally no one's surprise, Cao Cao broke a NAP and Trade Agreement to wardec me. And the rest of my coalition likes him or is too far or is entangled in too many other wars and so won't back me up.

That's fine. No one can defeat my doomstack between the ranged overkill and Zheng Jiang being basically unbeatable in duels. I just won't get to join in on curbstomping Zhang Yan with the rest of the boys (where Liu Bei has started to actually steal some land, damn him) to make homegirl feel better about losing banditbowl.

I immediately started getting absolutely hammered by Negative Spy events every turn right after that. Inspecting all my people...looks like Yan Baihu (who was on my council >.>)spent a single turn in Cao Cao's employ before making his way to me. Welp, as much as I hate to do it, I had to punt him (not before stealing his weapon, though). The next turn, I didn't get hit, so...
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See! SEEEEEE!

On my Kong Rong playthrough he did the exact same thing. I just kept him as weak as possible yet he kept taking land afield and eventually absored Liu Biao and there was just no stopping him at that point save fire and fury as must be done.
 
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Yeah Liu Bei is a fucking cockroach and must be exterminated when not playing as him if it is at all within your power. Cao Cao is pretty bad too now thanks to his schemes.
 
The Englanderish said:
Yeah Liu Bei is a fucking cockroach and must be exterminated when not playing as him if it is at all within your power. Cao Cao is pretty bad too now thanks to his schemes.
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Liu Bei is annoying only because he has good characters but nothing about him innately will ruin things IMO.

Cao Cao's mechanics mean he has to be eliminated as a faction head if not playing him in every game.
 
Spectrum said:
Liu Bei is annoying only because he has good characters but nothing about him innately will ruin things IMO.

Cao Cao's mechanics mean he has to be eliminated as a faction head if not playing him in every game.
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The thing is, Liu Bei can become emperor without doing shit, thanks to the confederation event, so unless you're playing a governor, he'll backstab you at the worst moment possible.
 
Renu said:
The thing is, Liu Bei can become emperor without doing shit, thanks to the confederation event, so unless you're playing a governor, he'll backstab you at the worst moment possible.
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Even if he becomes an Emperor through that, his territory will probably be awful and spread out. If he was friendly to you prior to that, he also usually won't immediately wardec IME, so you have a chance to rotate some forces over and get out of other conflicts and even attack first and cut down his power base everywhere or snipe his seat if you need to.
 
I actually like steering Liu Bei towards being one of the Three Kingdoms late game. He is very reasonable about abdicating and can be brought to the peace table easily, and as mentioned his territories often end out too strung out to defend well.
 
Okay nevermind that fucker Liu Bei just vassalized Cao Cao while I was in the process of trying to wipe him out of Central China, I take everything back. Big Ears has got to go early also.
 
Yea Liu Bei is less of an issue than Cao Cao, but he can and will devour Han territory, get two possible events to annex factions, and generally cockroach his way through the game. And he might not be an overall threat, but he can very easy shit things up for you at the worst time just by his sheer capacity to exist.
 
Kong Rong report, Turn 93



Snowball's ongoing though I'm a bit constrained on expansion. I now more or less have all of the territories that I intend to have for the rest of the game (if I can get to some of the weaponsmiths and armorsmith I -might- try and hold those). Everything new I will continue to spawn new vassals with, as I've done with the three shown. I'm a little unsure of how the hell their starting diplomacy works because some of the spawn in with differing "war atrocities against friends" as a faction but sure okay. Incidentally, my per turn income could be higher by another 2k or so but I've thrown some GPT in favorable trade deals towards the vassals for now to try and unfuck their attitude towards me. (I get more back net between having them as a monopoly partner+vassal return so it's fine)

I'd really love to have wiped out Cao Cao because his schemes are so fucking unbalanced it's not even funny but Liu Bei granted him a stay of execution. The current coalition is frankly a little lulzy as it's the top 4 great powers but sure whatever.

My Imperial Favour is basically perma fucked at this point (maybe it'll recover now that Cao Cao isn't hitting me with -20 PO and -20 Food schemes every goddamn turn) so I'm probably about to YOLO into Liu Chong (and his coalition with Liu Biao and Huang Zu) and keep going.
 
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Why is this notable, other than Sima Yi being incredible?

Because the turn prior my spy spotted him disloyal in Liu Bei's court and targeted him with Discredit Character pushing him to 0. He promptly wandered next door to offer his services.

(Also yes as can be surmised from the territory, Liu Bei got the confederation on Liu Biao's territory finally when he died...who I had literally vassalized the turn prior. I was deeply unimpressed.)
 
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