Til I Change Your Mind (Mass Effect Krogan SI)

Given how Eezo use increases exponentially the larger the ship and The Great Library of Krell is apparently capable of FTL, just how many ships could have been built with the Eezo used to build this moon/planet-sized vessel?
The moon was Eezo Rich already. You could probably build a lot of ships, but you'd need to extract and ship it across the void. And also, those ships wouldn't be as useful against the Reapers. Smaller ships other than the Normandy consistently get ignored by the reapers, but it is somewhat harder to shrug off being football tackled by a moon the size of a planet.
 
Honestly whenever I want to be easily entertained I just imagine the faces/expressions of whatever ROB(s) sent Krell to this universe, watching as things just kind-of, implode, while still somehow ending up better off.

That and "Professor Grandpa Krell" on Sesame Street teaching kids... (I just imagine him introducing himself that way "because he's old".)

'Well, your plans have worked so far Grandfather. So, let's run a few errands.'

I grinned.

'Now, take a seat! I think it's high time that I taught you two scamps how to drive!'
Just sit right back and you'll hear a tale... A tale of a Library Ship...
 
Glad to see this is still alive. The amount of blackmail he must have accumulated over so many years must be immense. Cant wait till the Council learns of his library. It will be hilarious.
 
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Glad to see this is still alive. The amount of blackmail he must have accumulated over so many years must be immense. Cant wait till the Council learns of his library. It will be hilarious.

I do hope that a physical library, bigger than what the Asari have, will cause Tevos to have a funny reaction. Maybe curse like an old sailor right in front of her peers?
Not to mention all the so superior Matriarchs on Tessia, I expect them to unleash a full campaign of complaints, passive-aggressive everything and some "show me, SHOW ME" acts.

But since Krell is bringing his books to Javik?
The public reveal of living Proteans is going to shake the civilians of the galaxy. And make the spooks double check that there are no strings leading to them kidnapping the ancient ones before.
 
Not cheats codes, this is just Krell being a badass engineer using the power of centuries of time to prepare.

He has a planet-sized mobile base capable of FTL (I don't care if it's technically a moon). The amount of Eezo needed for that is probably more Eezo than has ever been mined this cycle.

Edit: As a comparison: Look at the planet Ontarom. Stopping its moon from crashing into the planet was estimated to cost enough to bankrupt the combined Citadel races. Krell meanwhile is running around with an FTL-capable vessel whose size, based on the description, would be in the planetary mass moon range.
 
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He has a planet-sized mobile base capable of FTL (I don't care if it's technically a moon). The amount of Eezo needed for that is probably more Eezo than has ever been mined this cycle.

Edit: As a comparison: Look at the planet Ontarom. Stopping its moon from crashing into the planet was estimated to cost enough to bankrupt the combined Citadel races. Krell meanwhile is running around with an FTL-capable vessel whose size, based on the description, would be in the planetary mass moon range.

Given that he also leaned hard into VI automation I can only assume he had a bit of a Von Neumann thing going on.
 
He has a planet-sized mobile base capable of FTL (I don't care if it's technically a moon). The amount of Eezo needed for that is probably more Eezo than has ever been mined this cycle.

Edit: As a comparison: Look at the planet Ontarom. Stopping its moon from crashing into the planet was estimated to cost enough to bankrupt the combined Citadel races. Krell meanwhile is running around with an FTL-capable vessel whose size, based on the description, would be in the planetary mass moon range.

Okay, so let's get into this.

In terms of Eezo, eezo isn't hard science. It's space magic. The amounts in a human sized Asari can be utilized to create a miniature black hole with enough force to override a planet's local gravity in a small space and lift a person off their feet and crush them. Treating Eezo as hard science to calculate does it a disservice. It is fundamentally hand wave space magic used to make FTL possible.

Now, with that said your use of Ontorom is interesting as an argument because it doesn't get into the main factor that allows Krell to have a base like this: time.

Ontorom is on a clock. Much like certain real world issues like global warming (used here as an illustrative comparison, not as a invitation to argue about Global warming) the Ontorom issue is both a current and active concern AND a future deadline.

"Its proximity is beginning to have tidal effects, and its dynamo-like revolution through Ontarom's magnetic field is generating increasing powerful electrical storms."

Time raises costs immensely. If you want something done it has a base cost in labor and materials and time. If you want something done sooner? That increases costs across the board requiring you to hire more labor and procure materials at a premium.

Krell took an already Eezo dense planetary body, and then cut the materials cost to next to nothing by using the planetoid itself for materials, and cot the labor cost to nothing by using VI powered automation. He made up for cutting these costs by giving an extended deadline (over a millenia).

The citadel would not take these measures on Ontorom. Ontorom is a problem on a deadline. The citadel doesn't like VI automation without organic oversight. And the Citadel isn't about to use Ontorom's moon to move Ontorom's moon (that would require a massive infrastructure investment that again would end up taking time they don't have).

It is plausible that a project that costs a certain amount when completed over the course of a year would bankrupt all the citadel races, but that same project when carried out over a thousand years would be much less costly.
 
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plus, its a moon sized ship, it was never gonna go fast, so you don't need as much eezo as you would for a spaceship since you want speed for those. Even just an eezoless moon with giant engines on it is still a viable spaceship, think all krell needed was enough eezo for that moon to be detected by a mass relay to use it, or just enough that he could cut down on the number of engines needed.
 
plus, its a moon sized ship, it was never gonna go fast, so you don't need as much eezo as you would for a spaceship since you want speed for those. Even just an eezoless moon with giant engines on it is still a viable spaceship, think all krell needed was enough eezo for that moon to be detected by a mass relay to use it, or just enough that he could cut down on the number of engines needed.
With mass effect style movement, a moonsized ship could absolutely go incredibly fast.
 
'Grandfather! Tell me you didn't do this all for a pun!' Liara complained.
He totally did.

'Grandfather... You have a complete primary source of every single broadcast ever transmitted in the Galaxy since the Krogan Rebellions.' Liara explained to me slowly. As if I were some sort of idiot.
Krell would 'accidentally' be the cause for the mass 'suicide' of the Salarian Race if they learned of this.
They would all die bleeding from their eyes and nostrils.

It should be surprisingly nimble for a moon.' I explained.

'Not hard. Moons aren't known for their nimbleness.
Like boasting about how my Snorlax is the fastest and best dancer.

'Grandfather there's no difference between this and a flagship.' Liara insisted, wrongly.

'A dedicated flagship would have more guns, and be more maneuverable.' Grunt corrected. He really was my best student.
Come on Liara! You are the granddaughter to a Krogan! You should know this already!

'If you knew that the Reapers were coming, why didn't you build a dedicated flagship?' Liara asked, reasonably.

'Well, because of the pun, obviously.'
SEE! Fucking knew it!
The madlad!

Liara groaned and held her head in her hands for a few minutes. We all politely stared at her in silence as she did it.
It was at this moment that Liara truly realized the level of Crazy that came with being among the 'Best'.
She had seen shades of this in Shepard and her dedicated team, but only now is she realizing the extent that it will get for all of them as time goes on.

'Right. Right. How could I have missed that? It's so obvious.' Liara finally admitted before taking an unusually deep breath.

'So then... What next?' Liara asked, finally.
Thankfully, she has also learned to 'Let it go', and 'Go with the flow'. Eventually she might even manage to 'If you can't beat them, join them.'... or rather, she will accept that she is part of the list of 'Best' that all go crazy in their own ways.
Maybe she will be the crazy that keeps lashing out and pointing out the obvious crazy of the others and keeps denying that their is any crazy in her even as sulks in the corner with rain clouds forming over her head.

If we want a peaceful post-Reaper galaxy we can't let Javik start setting foreign policy.
'Shots fired!'
'Dammit Javik, no!'

We need laws and a functioning government. Aria and the Humans have given me the perfect idea of just how to do that.'
...It really says a lot that Aria is included in the list.
Bet she can't wait to rub into her ex's face.

'Well, your plans have worked so far Grandfather. So, let's run a few errands.'
The scary thing is that she is entirely correct.
Even the situation with Ashley will eventually lead to her being in the right place at the right time to catch and stop Udina's crazy.

'Krell, you apparently revived a dead empire with just a couple words and knowing where to dig.' Charr reminded me.
'That is not dead which can eternal lie.'
'Dammit Krell! Enough with the Lovecraft!'
'That was Garrus! Not me!'
'Oh. Sorry. Force of habit.'

'Charr, there are two important elements of any plan. The first is setting up the situation so that no matter what the outcome you win, and the second is remembering to smile the exact same way no matter what the outcome. Having a chief engineer around in case something goes wrong is the first, and I've been practicing my smile for centuries.'
That is damn deep and useful knowledge, especially for a long lived race like the Krogans.
It also paints Krell as having always been several steps ahead of everyone, and everyone was merely playing a role in his script, written millennia ago.
...Holy shit I just realized that Krell actually IS a lot like Otto Apocalypse!

Charr nodded as if I had dispensed some great manner of wisdom.
...But it was?

'I didn't expect you to need me for my engineering when you told me to; come with you if I wanted to live, back on Tuchanka.' Charr admitted.
Hah! Great use of the line.

'I don't know? Coach me for a poetry death match?' Charr asked, uncertain.

'Is that a thing? No one told me that was a thing...' I grumbled.

'It could be?' Charr said.
...Damn Krogans. Of course they would want something like that.
Though to be fair, it would be a great way to weed out people we want removed from the Gene Pool...
Hmmm. Maybe they are onto somthing.

'Look Charr, a Krogan needs to be open to learning new things all the time. You never know when some bit of arcane knowledge locked in your head will be the key to saving the galaxy.' I admitted.

'Does that happen... often?' Charr asked worried.
Shepard, Krell, Javik, Geth... It happens more often than you might think...

Honestly it was true. Though what I saw in Charr had less to do with his skills at... anything, and more to do with his willingness to recite terrible poetry in public without an ounce of shame in order to achieve his goals. That was a useful mentality, after all.
Nurture can teach anyone any skill, and lead anyone anywhere of their choosing.
Nature though tells you the kind of character they are at their core, and is much harder to modify.

Good kid. Hopefully he'd learn something.
There Krell goes leaning into Kakashi's style of 'teaching'.
Though to be fair, Krell is much more eloquent and wise. XD
 
I'm trying to understand how the books work besides picking up every transmission in the Galaxy for the past millennia and being printed in book format by time code.

Say I order a digital copy of "Around the World in Eighty Days" from the Mass Effect version of Amazon, and at the same time order a copy of Blasto's latest adventure, somewhere in the Great Library of Krell is there a book with the receipt, the text format of the book, and a transcript of the Blasto movie all intermeshed together, being an incomprehensible mess? Or would it be a book with the receipt, the book, and then the transcript of the Blasto movie?

Or if that's not the case, and every transmission is separate, does that mean there's millions of redundant copies? And does this mean that there's thousands of copies of "Around the World in 80 days" and the only difference being which person opened the book on what terminal on what planet at what time, etc?

Similarly, let's assume Charr saves his poetry on the extranet, instead of the library putting it all into the Charr poetry book, would each poem get it's own book? Are there entire halls filled with books that are only a page long comprised of nothing but spam emails?

Is there a digital copy of all this, or is it dumped once printed onto a book?

I do not envy the archivist who has to sort through all this.
 
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I'm trying to understand how the books work besides picking up every transmission in the Galaxy for the past millennia and being printed in book format by time code.

Say I order a digital copy of "Around the World in Eighty Days" from the Mass Effect version of Amazon, and at the same time order a copy of Blasto's latest adventure, somewhere in the Great Library of Krell is there a book with the receipt, the text format of the book, and a transcript of the Blasto movie all intermeshed together, being an incomprehensible mess? Or would it be a book with the receipt, the book, and then the transcript of the Blasto movie?

Or if that's not the case, and every transmission is separate, does that mean there's millions of redundant copies? And does this mean that there's thousands of copies of "Around the World in 80 days" and the only difference being which person opened the book on what terminal on what planet at what time, etc?

Similarly, let's assume Charr saves his poetry on the extranet, instead of the library putting it all into the Chart poetry book, would each poem get it's own book? Are there entire halls filled with books that are only a page long comprised of nothing but spam emails?

Is there a digital copy of all this, or is it dumped once printed onto a book?

I do not envy the archivist who has to sort through all this.
let's just go with All Of The Above :V
wonder how many VI's will go become AI's from sheer homicidal rage from trying to organize it all?
 
So how is Krell keeping the books from deteriorating over hundreds of years? They'd need to be kept in an environment devoid of oxygen and humidity to avoid oxygenation and rot. He could have made them from something like gold or lead which don't oxidize but gold is rather expensive and lead crumbles easily.
 
So how is Krell keeping the books from deteriorating over hundreds of years? They'd need to be kept in an environment devoid of oxygen and humidity to avoid oxygenation and rot. He could have made them from something like gold or lead which don't oxidize but gold is rather expensive and lead crumbles easily.
gold is not expensive if you have automated vi mining drones strip mining asteroid belts. An entire golden library.
THE ONE PIECE LIBRARY IS REAL! :V
 
I'm trying to understand how the books work besides picking up every transmission in the Galaxy for the past millennia and being printed in book format by time code.

Say I order a digital copy of "Around the World in Eighty Days" from the Mass Effect version of Amazon, and at the same time order a copy of Blasto's latest adventure, somewhere in the Great Library of Krell is there a book with the receipt, the text format of the book, and a transcript of the Blasto movie all intermeshed together, being an incomprehensible mess? Or would it be a book with the receipt, the book, and then the transcript of the Blasto movie?

Or if that's not the case, and every transmission is separate, does that mean there's millions of redundant copies? And does this mean that there's thousands of copies of "Around the World in 80 days" and the only difference being which person opened the book on what terminal on what planet at what time, etc?

Similarly, let's assume Charr saves his poetry on the extranet, instead of the library putting it all into the Charr poetry book, would each poem get it's own book? Are there entire halls filled with books that are only a page long comprised of nothing but spam emails?

Is there a digital copy of all this, or is it dumped once printed onto a book?

I do not envy the archivist who has to sort through all this.

Okay, so the timestamp is based off the time the transmission is received by the library. Each transmission is inscribed in order it is received and when there are a given number of characters in a set of transmissions they becomes a book. Given the speeds of various transmissions you could conceivably get a radio broadcast from earth in the 1920s at the same time as a lidar broadcast from Thessia aired last year. Every broadcast ever is recorded equally on a first come first serve basis, because that was the easiest sorting method to implement.

As a result you might get 3 lines of shakespeare followed by thirty thai food orders. And the remaining 4th Shakespeare line sent by the same person ends up somewhere 50 books later. It's literally incomprehensible.

That's the alphanumeric books.

There are also books with titles. Those are transmissions that are repeated multiple times by multiple sources in identical formats. Those get separate additional formatted printings. So you might have a million transmissions of moby dick in the alpha numeric books. But there will also be about a dozen copies of Moby Dick as separate books (one or two for each printing).
These books are Hidden within the Alphanumerics without rhyme or reason, printed as soon as the AI recognizes the pattern. Once the pattern is recognized for a book that's it for that version. It's only printed once for each set of identical transmissions.

let's just go with All Of The Above :V
wonder how many VI's will go become AI's from sheer homicidal rage from trying to organize it all?

Less than you'd expect. Currently the number is Zero. But also there's been no one to murder in the library so far, so that's not as big an achievement as that number sounds.

So how is Krell keeping the books from deteriorating over hundreds of years? They'd need to be kept in an environment devoid of oxygen and humidity to avoid oxygenation and rot. He could have made them from something like gold or lead which don't oxidize but gold is rather expensive and lead crumbles easily.

He's not. The books are kept on an especially environmentally unfriendly kind of plastic that's made to be much worse at biodegrading than normal. There aren't enough trees to support paper books.

But the plastic does degrade over millennia, so when it does the book is replaced from an electronic back up. Of course no one has been handling the books so they're all in pretty great shape.
 
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