There Goes the Neighbourhood (Stellaris Quest)

[LordEdric]

[X] The regimented effectiveness of authoritarianism had proven itself useful in responding rapidly to emerging problems, and it was increasingly common sense in politics that the survival of new nations was dependent on being able to take decisive action. This was a form of control much more sophisticated than the clumsy dictatorships and oligarchies of the past, one able to steer the ship of state as its leaders demanded and required. The crude guides of subsidies and financial incentive are not needed to solve problems - the government simply acts. When every ton of ore is precious and every semiconductor an asset, it must go where it is needed, not where it is profitable.

 

[Mars]

[X] The regimented effectiveness of authoritarianism had proven itself useful in responding rapidly to emerging problems, and it was increasingly common sense in politics that the survival of new nations was dependent on being able to take decisive action. This was a form of control much more sophisticated than the clumsy dictatorships and oligarchies of the past, one able to steer the ship of state as its leaders demanded and required. The crude guides of subsidies and financial incentive are not needed to solve problems - the government simply acts. When every ton of ore is precious and every semiconductor an asset, it must go where it is needed, not where it is profitable.

 

[Cyberphilosipher]

[X] The regimented effectiveness of authoritarianism had proven itself useful in responding rapidly to emerging problems, and it was increasingly common sense in politics that the survival of new nations was dependent on being able to take decisive action. This was a form of control much more sophisticated than the clumsy dictatorships and oligarchies of the past, one able to steer the ship of state as its leaders demanded and required. The crude guides of subsidies and financial incentive are not needed to solve problems - the government simply acts. When every ton of ore is precious and every semiconductor an asset, it must go where it is needed, not where it is profitable.

 

[horgoz]

[X] The Resource Wars made painfully clear that the divorced nature of government from the people of its nation was a source of conflict, the individual scourge of oppression writ large on the national stage. It was when individuals were able to recklessly mobilise their influence and power without the true consent of the governed that dispute was settled with drone fleets rather than diplomacy. The individual has become the most important component, not because of their innate rights but because many viewpoints see solutions to problems that a small cabal never imagine. Government must act decisively, but it must act as a superorganism of its people, not its master.

 

[Sayle]

The rejection of authoritarianism in a time of strife is considered the great triumph of egalitarianism in the 21st century. While far from perfect (or even truly democratic, in some cases), it had become generally accepted that the principle of requiring obedience from the population and managing a nation without regard for the impact on the individual was not only ideologically flawed but manifestly inefficient. While reality might fall short of the ideal the aspiration was there, and those governments that failed to live up to it fell behind their peers.

As the painful ascent from the Resource Wars began to stabilise the living conditions and welfare of the general population to something approaching the prosperity of the early 21st century, the urgency of resource management and reform began to give way to more ideological questions. It was undeniable that while it may no longer be 'one minute to Midnight', the clock hands were still uncomfortably close to the ultimate finality which the end of day represented. There emerged two dominant systems of belief beneath the worn and ragged administrative strata of government, each playing out debate and sometimes radical opposition to each other as their adherents formalized themselves and began to enter the corridors of power.

[X] The status quo was supported by the intellectual classes and optimists, who believed that advancing technology and its application was the key solution to the problems of resource scarcity and its application. This was in many ways the continuation of the general policy and belief of the 20th and early 21st centuries, a promise which it had been unable to fulfil before dire need resulted in global conflict. To this mode of thought the problems of the world were simply awaiting a future solution.

[ ] The Unity Movement emerged first and strongest from those areas most ravaged by conflict, but quickly spread worldwide. It held that the cause of the Resource Wars was not necessarily the lack of resources themselves, but instead the failure of empathy and the common bonds of mankind. There had been enough to go around - but selfishness and a lack of perspective made violence inevitable. As one leader of the movement said, it was "half philosophy, half religion, and all common decency".

 

[Pyro Hawk]

Damn, I have an issue in that I want both to win. Because I do believe that the problems of the world will be solved by technological advances in the future. However I also think that what point is there in solving those issue, if we lose our humanity along the way?

 

[armentho]

ok,so going materialist or spiritualist

my rock is on the materialist side of things

[x] The status quo was supported by the intellectual classes and optimists, who believed that advancing technology and its application was the key solution to the problems of resource scarcity and its application. This was in many ways the continuation of the general policy and belief of the 20th and early 21st centuries, a promise which it had been unable to fulfil before dire need resulted in global conflict. To this mode of thought the problems of the world were simply awaiting a future solution.

 

[krahe]

[x] The status quo was supported by the intellectual classes and optimists, who believed that advancing technology and its application was the key solution to the problems of resource scarcity and its application. This was in many ways the continuation of the general policy and belief of the 20th and early 21st centuries, a promise which it had been unable to fulfil before dire need resulted in global conflict. To this mode of thought the problems of the world were simply awaiting a future solution.

No way, spiritualism

 

[armentho]

honestly im fine with either

a democratic nation with heavy religious tones (somewhat conservative given the whole religious thing) would be an interesting departure from the usual formula of SV nations (science,collectivism,diplomacy etc)

and it would be interesting to see how said religion takes form
is it centralized (vatican style),or is it decentralized/personal paganist and animism style?

 

[Exmorri]

Damn, I have an issue in that I want both to win. Because I do believe that the problems of the world will be solved by technological advances in the future. However I also think that what po8nt is there in solving those issue, if we lose our humanity along the way?

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As for me, I want neither to win, both seem wrong.

Advancing technology providing more resources (or more efficient use of resources) will probably not fix scarcity because people will raise their expectations for the amount of resources they get.
While the Unity Movement sounds like it's going to hit a bad case of Everyone will not just, and neglect what improvement there is to be had from technology.

 

[Karugus]

[X] The Unity Movement emerged first and strongest from those areas most ravaged by conflict, but quickly spread worldwide. It held that the cause of the Resource Wars was not necessarily the lack of resources themselves, but instead the failure of empathy and the common bonds of mankind. There had been enough to go around - but selfishness and a lack of perspective made violence inevitable. As one leader of the movement said, it was "half philosophy, half religion, and all common decency".

Because SV is lousy with technophiles and very rarely if ever explores spirituality. A vote for a technocratic democracy is a vote for nothing we haven't seen before.

 

[Driven by Apathy]

[ ] The status quo was supported by the intellectual classes and optimists, who believed that advancing technology and its application was the key solution to the problems of resource scarcity and its application.

[ ] The Unity Movement emerged first and strongest from those areas most ravaged by conflict, but quickly spread worldwide.

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Hmm... in Stellaris terms, this appears to be a materialism vs spiritualism choice.

Question: If we choose the Unity movement, will that preclude us from going for synthetic ascension? Are psionics and synthetics (or at least cybernetics) still mutually incompatible as in the game? Because I wouldn't mind trying something a little different, but I also like cybernetic and eventually synthetic ascension thematically.

For that matter, can we go for a combination of cybernetics, genetic modification and psionics? Stellaris the game forces you to choose one for game balance reasons, but I don't see why that would have to be the case here.

If those questions are too spoilery, let me put it in more general terms: To what degree should we expect to be limited in our choices by our chosen ethics?

 

[armentho]

[X] The Unity Movement emerged first and strongest from those areas most ravaged by conflict, but quickly spread worldwide. It held that the cause of the Resource Wars was not necessarily the lack of resources themselves, but instead the failure of empathy and the common bonds of mankind. There had been enough to go around - but selfishness and a lack of perspective made violence inevitable. As one leader of the movement said, it was "half philosophy, half religion, and all common decency".

Because SV is lousy with technophiles and very rarely if ever explores spirituality. A vote for a technocratic democracy is a vote for nothing we haven't seen before.

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may i reccomend you the pilgrim quest?

is a technophile religious cult in the post-post apocalipsis (primitive and schizo-tech civilizations built on the ruins of the past ones)
the pilgrims are half humanitarian religion budhist style,half group of scavengers/researchers

their vibes pretty much based around the pilgrims from endless space


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKfzHzFqtwk

Hmm... in Stellaris terms, this appears to be a materialism vs spiritualism choice.

Question: If we choose the Unity movement, will that preclude us from going for synthetic ascension? Are psionics and synthetics (or at least cybernetics) still mutually incompatible as in the game? Because I wouldn't mind trying something a little different, but I also like synthetic ascension thematically.

For that matter, can we go for a combination of cybernetics genetic modification and psionics? Stellaris the game forces you to choose one for game balance reasons, but I don't see why that would have to be the case here.

If those questions are too spoilery, let me put it in more general terms: To what degree should we expect to be limited in our choices by our chosen ethics?

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synthetic ascension is banned for spiritualists i think

but psionics are viable for materialists if they meet or hire a researcher that happens to have a psionics specialization (where spiritualist can unlock psionics as natural part of their tech tree)

 

[Driven by Apathy]

synthetic ascension is banned for spiritualists i think

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In Stellaris the computer game, yes. Where game balance makes such a necessity.

The question is, does that apply here?

but psionics are viable for materialists if they meet or hire a researcher that happens to have a psionics specialization (where spiritualist can unlock psionics as natural part of their tech tree)

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It's possible, yes. But if you actually pursue the psionic ascension path it will lock you out of cybernetic and (more than basic) genetic modification. Your populations ethics will also shift away from materialism over time, since being psionic makes pops more spiritualist.

 

[armentho]

In Stellaris the computer game, yes. Where game balance makes such a necessity.

The question is, does that apply here?

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it depends on what our religion believes

the conflict with spiritualists and machine intelligences,is that for spiritualists souls are something unique and sacred
so the notion of mass producing souls through the creation of AI's goes against the ''unique" perspective of it

but i guess it will be up to us players shape the nature of our belief system if the religious option is chosen

 

[Wizard_Marshall]

[X] The regimented effectiveness of authoritarianism had proven itself useful in responding rapidly to emerging problems, and it was increasingly common sense in politics that the survival of new nations was dependent on being able to take decisive action. This was a form of control much more sophisticated than the clumsy dictatorships and oligarchies of the past, one able to steer the ship of state as its leaders demanded and required. The crude guides of subsidies and financial incentive are not needed to solve problems - the government simply acts. When every ton of ore is precious and every semiconductor an asset, it must go where it is needed, not where it is profitable.

 

[todbo]

[X] The Unity Movement emerged first and strongest from those areas most ravaged by conflict, but quickly spread worldwide. It held that the cause of the Resource Wars was not necessarily the lack of resources themselves, but instead the failure of empathy and the common bonds of mankind. There had been enough to go around - but selfishness and a lack of perspective made violence inevitable. As one leader of the movement said, it was "half philosophy, half religion, and all common decency".

 

[Tall_Garbage]

[x] The status quo was supported by the intellectual classes and optimists, who believed that advancing technology and its application was the key solution to the problems of resource scarcity and its application. This was in many ways the continuation of the general policy and belief of the 20th and early 21st centuries, a promise which it had been unable to fulfil before dire need resulted in global conflict. To this mode of thought the problems of the world were simply awaiting a future solution.

 

[achus93]

[X] The status quo was supported by the intellectual classes and optimists, who believed that advancing technology and its application was the key solution to the problems of resource scarcity and its application. This was in many ways the continuation of the general policy and belief of the 20th and early 21st centuries, a promise which it had been unable to fulfil before dire need resulted in global conflict. To this mode of thought the problems of the world were simply awaiting a future solution.

 

[Driven by Apathy]

[X] The Unity Movement emerged first and strongest from those areas most ravaged by conflict, but quickly spread worldwide. It held that the cause of the Resource Wars was not necessarily the lack of resources themselves, but instead the failure of empathy and the common bonds of mankind. There had been enough to go around - but selfishness and a lack of perspective made violence inevitable. As one leader of the movement said, it was "half philosophy, half religion, and all common decency".


This just seems more interesting from a cultural perspective.

I'd never vote for the spiritualism option if it was "and humanity became religious again", but a worldwide movement focusing on empathy and the common bonds of mankind rather than some imaginary allmighty being in the sky? That's refreshingly different.

For that matter, I looked it up on the Stellaris wiki, and having the spiritualist ethic doesn't prevent you from going for synthetic ascension. So even if Sayle goes with the most restrictive interpretation this won't limit our options.

may i reccomend you the pilgrim quest?

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[LordEdric]

[x] The status quo was supported by the intellectual classes and optimists, who believed that advancing technology and its application was the key solution to the problems of resource scarcity and its application. This was in many ways the continuation of the general policy and belief of the 20th and early 21st centuries, a promise which it had been unable to fulfil before dire need resulted in global conflict. To this mode of thought the problems of the world were simply awaiting a future solution.

 

[armentho]

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[Sayle]

Hmm... in Stellaris terms, this appears to be a materialism vs spiritualism choice.

If those questions are too spoilery, let me put it in more general terms: To what degree should we expect to be limited in our choices by our chosen ethics?

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I'd say it will probably make taking a full-blown leap into mind-uploading more expensive, but not impossible. You're dipping your toes in the waters of the metaphysical oneness, not dogma. Less religion, more 'lifestyle'.

As for mixing and matching, I'd say that psionics and cybernetics would conflict (one is dealing with the togetherness of being, the other augmenting it), but I'd say genetic modification would be compatible with both.

 

[Desmond_helios]

[X] The Unity Movement emerged first and strongest from those areas most ravaged by conflict, but quickly spread worldwide. It held that the cause of the Resource Wars was not necessarily the lack of resources themselves, but instead the failure of empathy and the common bonds of mankind. There had been enough to go around - but selfishness and a lack of perspective made violence inevitable. As one leader of the movement said, it was "half philosophy, half religion, and all common decency".

 

[gale]

[X] The status quo was supported by the intellectual classes and optimists, who believed that advancing technology and its application was the key solution to the problems of resource scarcity and its application. This was in many ways the continuation of the general policy and belief of the 20th and early 21st centuries, a promise which it had been unable to fulfil before dire need resulted in global conflict. To this mode of thought the problems of the world were simply awaiting a future solution.