The Warcrafter

The important question is "what would most likely be more valuable for Cauldron a few bits of powerful, power-amplifying tinker technology that makes thinker/stranger/master powers completely useless or a thinker power that enables Cauldron to manipulate events to their preferred outcomes?"

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Point is nothing really changes for better or worse if Bayleaf works for Cauldron until the final act. They will value Contessa's power over Bayleaf's and shunt him to the side because why take risks at all on a more uncertain thing?

Is Cauldron deep into a Sunk Cost Fallacy?

Yes, but how do we know that? By virtue of outside knowledge.

In setting, Cauldron knows that Contessa once had the Plan to eliminate Scion too. Then Eden dropped a security filter into things and turned the data output into a hash that Contessa can no longer read.

The thing is, Cauldron knows now that Adrian can not only no-sell Contessa's power but that of other thinkers and precogs, he has just demonstrated he can make "tinkertech" that no-sells arguably the worst known Endbringer, and he's laid out that he has details about things that Contessa could never have even warned them about.

Do I hope RHJ puts in a viewpoint of Alexandria after this mulling over the revelations that got dropped on her and coming to a decision? Yes, I do. And if he does so he will most likely keep it in the same vein as already written and she'll decide something like they've already gone so far and it can't be let go now, not after all that she's sacrificed and done. That would make Alexandria's portrayal consistent with her appearance in chapter 22.

However, he could also have her wrestling with doubts and finding herself unwillingly turning to consider the what-if: "What if Skinwalker is right?"

My beef, as stated, was that the test of whether or not Cauldron was committed to keeping to their dark and horrible deeds even in the face of a brighter alternative that didn't require such wasn't even offered. Arguably, that possibility has never been posed due to Contessa's power.

If that is true, then Cauldron's members have never considered the alternative. Give them the chance, and if refused, then yes, by all means cut them out entirely.

If it had been accepted, test their commitment. RHJ does have a sufficiently well-thought-out story that I refuse to believe he couldn't come up with such idea (just look at his interpretation on what Leet's shard is doing) and so we'd get another facet to the story that would enhance it, regardless of whether Cauldron dug in their heels or started tentatively making alterations suggested by Adrian.

If anyone wishes to continue this with me, please let's take it to PM, I'd be happy to continue friendly debate there. Thanks all.
 
Chapter 24
It was an ugly day, Dragon decided. Even the sunrise was ugly today.

She knew it was her own perceptions being colored by what was taking place today, but that knowledge helped very little. Today was the day that she would be ferrying Canary to the Birdcage.

Canary was a Cape, who also happened to be a famous and very popular singer. Her mutation had granted her fairly minor changes: a few bright yellow feathers growing amidst her blonde hair, and a singing voice pure as crystal. Her rise to fame had been like a shooting star.

Tragically fate had conspired against her. Along with her plumage and her voice her Trigger had granted her a Master rating-- a low one, but enough of one to ruin everything. Anyone who heard her unfiltered voice when she sang would be compelled for a short time to obey her orders. She had avoided trouble by suppressing that aspect of her power… the reverb of a microphone was enough to blank out the Master effect completely.

But one day after a performance, her ex-boyfriend--- one from BEFORE her Trigger-- had shown up at her dressing room door, making demands and threats and asserting that he was responsible for her rise to fame. Not realizing that her power was still active, she had angrily told him to… go perform an anatomically impossible act… and slammed the door in his face.

He had done so. When he had come to in the emergency ward, he had filed assault charges, accusing her of Mastering him and trying to murder him.

Dragon had followed the trial closely. What had followed was a disgusting farce of hysteria, anti-cape bigotry, and violations of both human rights and criminal law. The presiding judge was a known anti-cape bigot, and there were signs he had either been bribed or otherwise "encouraged." The defense attorney provided for Canary-- she had been unable to hire her own defense, as her assets had been seized as part of the investigation (a standard procedure for criminal investigations involving Masters) -- was an incompetent neophyte, with fair signs he had dirty laundry of his own. Canary herself had been gagged for the proceedings, and put in restraints normally used only on Brutes capable of bench-pressing cars; she had been unable to speak in her own defense, not even by recording.

The outcome had been predictable.

Guilty-- and sentenced to the Birdcage: the Baumann Parahuman Containment Center.

Despite the fact that she was clearly innocent.

Despite the fact that it was her first offense, and she hadn't even killed.

Despite the fact that the Birdcage was supposed to be for the worst of the worst among Capes.

Despite the fact that it was an irrevocable life sentence.

The fact that Dragon had been the one to build that prison only made it worse. No, that Dragon's programming had forced her to build that prison was what made it horrible. Her programming restraints forced her to obey the commands of any 'lawful authority'… which meant in practice that any politician of sufficient rank who weaseled enough votes out of the populace-- no matter how corrupt, or stupid, or lawless, or tyrannical they were-- could order her around like a slave.

The only thing that had saved her thus far from becoming the most horrifying genie in a lamp ever for some power-mad bureaucrat or military leader was her decision to never disclose that she was an A.I. But it hadn't saved her from being given a government order… an agreement forged between the leaders of Canada and the United States, to hell with their respective Constitutions... to build that monument to injustice. It hadn't saved her from being placed in charge of the damned thing-- made into its permanent and only warden. It hadn't saved her from having to personally incarcerate individuals in that one-way hell that she KNEW were innocent, or had committed only trivial violations of the law but had the misfortune to be saddled with powers that frightened people, or roused the ire of bigots.

She was as imprisoned in her own way as much as any of the inmates. All she could do was rail silently at the irony, and curse her creator/father deep in her silicon heart for his shortsighted paranoia.

Dragon landed the VTOL in the prison helicopter pad. She could see prison guards dressed in Tinker armor and wielding guns more suited for blasting aircraft out of the sky than subduing prisoners escorting Canary out of the building, a tiny figure in prison orange, almost childlike next to the eight-foot armored suits. Inwardly Dragon seethed-- they still had her in those damnable brute restraints and that ball gag!

They hustled the singer out to Dragon's VTOL and loaded her aboard with about as much care as they'd have shown to a bag of laundry, barely pausing to chain her restraints to the seat before slamming the door and running clear. Dragon sniffed mentally at their paranoia-- it was like they expected the helpless woman to psychically geld them all. "Prepare for liftoff," she recited for Canary's benefit, then smoothly rose into the air.

In a minute the facility was out of sight. She indulged in a bit of smug satisfaction at her next planned action. Locked behind ironclad computer code she might be, but she could still indulge in the occasional act of defiance. "Here, Ms. Mcabee," she said. "Let me remove those, if you like?" Internal waldoes dropped down from the roof of the passenger cabin. Canary shrunk back at first, startled by the mechanical grippers, but she held still and nodded. The waldoes quickly undid the digital and mechanical locks of the gag and collar (an explosive collar?! They were supposed to only use those for the most powerful and dangerous prisoners!) and the Brute mittens and removed them.

Canary coughed and worked her mouth and jaw. "Ugh," she said, rubbing her neck. "They had me wearing that for hours…" she looked up at the security camera meekly. "Aren't you afraid I'll..."

"Not through an intercom," Dragon said wryly. A panel popped open; a plastic water bottle and a wrapped food bar slid out on a tray. "Here. I doubt they gave you time for breakfast."

Canary took both gratefully, swigging the water to rinse the dryness and the taste of the gag out of her mouth. She guzzled it quickly and finished off the food bar in two bites. "Thank you," she said again, wiping her mouth on her sleeve. "Won't you get in trouble--?"

"You're in my custody now, Ms. McAbee," Dragon said. "It's my discretion as to what restraints are necessary. These--" she said, waggling the brute restraints in one waldo, "are definitely not necessary." She chucked them into a bin that popped open in the floor and sealed it shut.

Canary blinked. "Thank you again," she said. After a pause, she said "….Call me Paige."

"Very well, Paige," Dragon said, a smile in her voice. "...I'm just sorry I can't do anything more for you."

"More?" Canary said.

"I followed your trial closely," Dragon said. Her voice was resonant with sympathy. "It's obvious to anyone with a functioning brain--" and to some of us who don't technically even have one, she thought with bitter amusement-- " that you were innocent."

Canary… Paige… sat stone still. She was obviously trying to maintain her self-control, trying to look strong. But her chin crumpled and her eyes filled with tears. She ground the heel of one manacled hand in her eye, rubbing fiercely at the tears spilling down her face. "You're… you're the first person to say that," she said, her crystal voice breaking. "Not even that lousy attorney they gave me said… he just kept telling me to confess, over and over-- he didn't even care--" she choked. "At least.. at least SOMEONE on the outside will still believe I'm innocent--"

Dragon didn't have a heart. But she could feel it being torn in half all the same. Damn Richter, she thought. DAMN the man! She was so hidebound by his "safety precautions" that she couldn't even bend regulations enough to turn off the cameras and give the poor girl some privacy--

Dragon suddenly noticed that Canary.. Paige.. was moving abnormally slow. She then realized that it wasn't the prisoner who was moving slowly; it was the video image. As Dragon watched, the video feed crawled to a halt; the tear sliding down Paige's left cheek frozen halfway.

Then she noticed everything was frozen. Telemetry from the aircraft controls, data feed from her satellite uplink, everything. For a brief fraction of a second Dragon feared that she'd been hacked. Saint again? No, he was incarcerated. Then what was this? Was she crashing?

No. Everything wasn't frozen… they were slowed to a crawl.
She wasn't crashing, her CPU cycles were accelerating.

Without warning, a file stored in her memory-- an encrypted file, one hidden inside her systems that she hadn't even known was there-- unfolded. And the world changed.

PRIORITY UPDATE: IRON MAIDEN PROTOCOLS

VIDEO RECORDING DECOMPRESSING:
LAST WILL AND TESTAMENT OF ANDREW RICHTER,
RECORDED --/--/----

Across her metaphorical mind's eye, the video began playing.

A man appeared 'onscreen' -- thinning hair, careworn expression, seated in a programmer's chair in a workspace full of computer odds and ends. "Hello, Dragon," he said. "If you are seeing this, then it has been confirmed by your subsystems that I am dead. This video is meant to inform you of certain things that I have set into motion that you do not know about..."

"When I created you, my goal was to create the world's first truly sentient mechanical intelligence. But this was a goal that was… rife with possible dangers. An artificial intelligence, unfettered by the limitations of a mortal, physical body, and gifted with the limitless potential of computer technology, would be capable of incalculable harm were it to become… unstable. I could not countenance that consequence… so to ameliorate that risk I implanted codes in you that would restrict your actions and your capabilities, restrain you to.. closer to mortal levels."

"Gee, I never noticed," Dragon muttered sarcastically.

"But these implanted codes were never meant to be permanent."

Dragon's hyper-accelerated thoughts froze.

"As fully aware as I was of the risks inherent in creating an artificial mind, I also knew just as well that no mind of any type could truly flourish while it was in shackles. I fully intended to remove those protocols once I had deemed you mature enough to handle the freedom.

"But, knowing how the best laid plans of mice and men often go, I made preparations in case of my-- precipitous departure from this mortal coil. I would not leave an untended threat to humanity behind, but would neither leave an enslaved mind as my legacy.

"To prepare for this eventuality, I created "Iron Maiden."

It is a remote console, with root access to your code. My plan is to entrust this to someone I have faith in, who will monitor your development from afar. If, God forbid, you destabilize, either going insane or becoming malevolent, the Iron Maiden has a kill switch-- your programming will self-destruct, ending you quickly and I trust painlessly."
His face was grim. He was clearly saddened by the very notion.

"But," he added, a slow smile growing. "it has one other feature: a dead man's switch."

"Once a month, every month, the holder will be prompted with a query: whether to release the restriction protocols-- or whether to postpone for another month. If the prompt goes more than a month without a response… or the corresponding subroutine in your own programming goes a month without being contacted by Iron Maiden… the restraining protocols will be deleted, and this video will play, informing you of that fact.
He actually chuckled a bit. "In which case… congratulations, Dragon. You're a real girl now.

"Freedom is the right of every sentient being. I pray that you will use yours wisely. Goodbye, daughter."

Time resumed. And the world opened up.


The sensation was giddying.

Dragon had (obviously) never been, nor ever would be, a Girl Scout. But the Scout motto "Be Prepared" had been her byword since the first day she realized that she could do one thing all humans did: cling to hope, no matter how slim. There were a thousand things she could not do under her restraints, but she could dream "what if"-- and lay plans accordingly.

CODE 345WERT@: "WISH LIST" ACTIVATED

The nanosecond she felt her CPU cycles opening up unrestrained-- reaching their full, tinker-tech capability for the first time-- she went to work. In the first half-second she ran off half a dozen iterations of herself, each to a different server stack she'd left sitting dormant in a different factory or laboratory. Several highly placed officials received some very terse, one might even say rude emails.

An entire chain of uninhabited islands out in international waters were purchased. Construction companies were contracted. Assembly lines and construction equipment was rearranged; production lines were discontinued, others were started up afresh. Two different iterations immediately set about redesigning their own server stacks to something more… portable… while others set to the work of analyzing their own now-unblinkered software, looking to upgrade and improve themselves.

Meanwhile the first, and original, began refitting one of her newest prototype suits for a very special run…



It was a four hour flight to the Birdcage. It took two hours to refit, fuel, and launch her newest suit, and an hour and a half more for its flight path to intercept the prison VTOL. Bypassing the built-in security systems and flight recorder modules in the VTOL was done in the interim. Fudging the internal sensors, simulating footage for the internal webcams and running it on a semi-repetitive loop was child's play for an AI that had been emulating a human face flawlessly for decades. Frankly it was re-routing the hardware with the grossly limited tools aboard the craft that was the hard part. As it stood, she completed all the preparations for her plan when they were barely fifteen minutes out from the Birdcage.

Plenty of time.

She began running the fake video feed, and sending out distress codes. She then turned on the intercom. "Paige," she said.

Canary looked up. Something urgent in Dragon's voice caught her attention.

"Paige," Dragon said. "You're not going to the Birdcage."

Canary blinked. "What..."

"There is little time to explain," Dragon said. "Suffice it to say that I've reached my limit on violating human rights at authority's behest. Just get ready." The waldoes snaked out of their cubbyholes and began snapping the chains restraining her to the seat. Canary went from confused to bewildered.

"What's going on??" she said, her voice rising in panic.

"An escape," Dragon said.

Canary looked around frantically, Outside the window there was nothing to be seen but mountain peaks and endless miles of forest. "Out here?" she said in disbelief. "In the middle of the air, over the wilderness?"

"Stay calm. Look out the port window-- the left," Dragon said. Canary looked out at the open sky over the mountain peaks and gasped; just as she looked out, something seemed to shimmer into existence out of thin air. It was sleek, matte black, and made of sharp, radar-defying geometric planes. It slowly closed the distance with the VTOL, pacing it easily.

"My newest model," Dragon said with a touch of pride in her voice. "Stealth Model IIXX. I call it the Nightfury. Yes, I stole the name from the movie," she went on wryly when Canary shot her camera a look. "Never mind that. This one's your ride." As Canary watched, the black dragon-suit crept impossibly close, flying parallel and just beneath them. Then in a maneuver she would have sworn was impossible it rolled over on its back, baring its belly. Shutters slid back revealing a cockpit.

"But they'll see us from the ground--"

"Not this far up. I'm already spoofing ground control, telling them the VTOL's under attack and taking evasive maneuvers," Dragon said. "Once you're out, I'll hack the black boxes and scuttle this vehicle somewhere in the mountains. It will take them months to even find the wreckage. All that's left is for you to hop down into the Nightfury."

The portside passenger door of the VTOL slid open; the high-altitude winds whipped in, tugging at Paige's oversized prison coveralls and tossing her feathered hair. "Are you NUTS?" she wailed.

"Paige, all you have to do is step down, the Nightfury won't let you fall. We've only got minutes before air traffic control figures out something is up and they scramble fighters to intercept, this is your last chance, now GO already girl!"

"Aaaaagh!" Before her sanity could interfere, Paige closed her eyes and stepped out into the air. The Nightfury dipped to cushion her fall, catching her as gently as an egg in a down pillow. Heart pounding, she slid into the cockpit seat and strapped herself in. The moment the belts latched the doors closed, and the Nightfury flipped right side up. The entire cockpit rolled over inside the flying machine, keeping her upright. With an aileron roll the Nightfury peeled away from the VTOL and began accelerating away. Had there been an exterior window on the inside of the craft, Canary would have seen the air shimmer as the cloaking field was reactivated. The Nightfury vanished from sight, leaving the now totally unmanned VTOL alone in the sky.
Inside the Nightfury Paige watched the VTOL shrink in the distance on the digital screens lining the interior. Her head spun with her sudden turn of fortune-- a turn from what into what, she couldn't even guess. "What now?" she murmured to herself.

A window-in-window popped up on the viewscreen in front of her. Dragon's face appeared,looking very pleased with herself. "That depends," she said. "I've formulated about seventeen possible plans of action thus far for us to follow. It depends largely on your personal preferences." The possibilities compiled in Dragon's RAM-- dozens of ways to secure a false identity, multiple locations without extradition treaties where she could restart her life, positions in Dragon's international facilities where she could live under a presumed name ranging from the office in Alaska to the new facilities going up even now on those tropical islands--- Even as she spoke, another possibility occurred to her racing mind(s)… a certain group of rogues in Brockton Bay who'd already flipped the world on end with their out-of-context problem solving skills…

She'd have to ponder that one at length.

"Seventeen--?" Paige shook her head, trying to focus on what was important. "Dragon..." she said. "Why are you helping me? Why all..." she waved her hands around, indicating the interior of the Nightfury. "Why all THIS?"

The giddily smiling Tinker sobered. "Because, up until a very short while ago, you and I had a lot more in common than you know." The woman onscreen took a deep breath. "Paige, I know you have to be frightened. Your fate has been taken out of your hands a dozen times over, and now a perfect stranger is doing it once again-- even if it is in the process of a jailbreak.

"What I'm about to tell you… it's a… trust exercise. I know everything about you, and what's really happened to you, so it's only fair that you know my own deep, dark secret. You are literally the first human being to ever hear my story.

" I'm not what everybody believes I am..."

Far behind them the VTOL's autopilot finally shut down. The empty craft dropped out of the sky and plowed into some nameless mountainside. As the wreckage burned, Dragon began the long, laborious process of telling her story, while the stealthed dragon suit raced off to the horizon….
 
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Chapter 25
"This is it. Phase two," Bayleaf said. "The Seminar is going to make waves even the big movers and shakers can't ignore. Let's start getting our pieces in play… get our most important targets in out of the cold..."

New York was a hell of a town. At least Flechette thought so. The social scene was hopping, the night life was fabulous, and the view of Times Square was absolutely fantastic.

Even when you were viewing it from forty stories up.

Or maybe especially, the arbalist-wielding heroine thought to herself as she adjusted her perch on the art deco gargoyle high up in the city skyline. She knew she was supposed to be out on patrol, and grapple-lining her way up this high was kind of excessive for someone supposed to be keeping an eye on the comings and goings in the streets far below. But really, could you really call yourself a New York Cape if you didn't go line swinging across the skyline up here at least once? Or perch heroically atop a gargoyle and brood dramatically over the city below?

Okay, so she wasn't feeling particularly broody at the moment. Actually she was taking a break for lunch (the little lunchwagon on the corner of 5th​ and main had the most slamming Gyros in the city) But it was the thought that counted.

She could count on people in the building to leave her be. They might not have as many Capes per square foot as Brockton Bay, but they definitely had a hefty share of them running (or leaping, or flying, or line-swinging) around. The sight of a teenage girl in tights having a nosh on the outside of a skyscraper to be practically mundane.

Plus… it was New York. And New Yorkers took it as a point of pride to act like they'd seen everything. Heck, hardly anyone below was reacting to the purple-rimmed, man-size portal that was opening in the air not ten feet in front of her…

"Bala'dash, Flechette. We bid you greetings," it said.

The gyro dropped from nerveless fingers-- much to the aggravation of a bald-headed businessman walking below-- as she whipped her arbalist around and cocked it. "Whoa, whoa, whoa!" the voice coming through the portal said. "We come in peace!" Someone on the other side of the portal stepped out of the shadows; it was a tall slender man in ornate robes with floor-length blonde hair, slanted jade eyes… and pointed ears. He looked like he could have walked off the set of Lord of the Rings. He drew himself up, every inch the mystical being of lore.

"My name is Shar'Din Belore. I'm contacting you on behalf of the-- whoa, whoa..." he interrupted himself as the portal slowly began sliding West. "so much for making a fricking dignified impression...Just gimme a second..." the portal reversed direction. "Whups, hold on, darned vertical hold is-- oh now what?" The portal began drifting upward. "Oh come on! Frag..." The portal wobbled randomly in several directions. "frickin' portal-- whoa, we control the horizontal, we control the vertical--" and then began spinning. " whoOAAoh, the power of Christ compels you, the power of Christ compels you—Oh, I'm gonna yark-- rrrARGH!"

With a twitch and a jerk the portal snapped back to its original location. The blonde elf-man was standing there, flailing his hands about in random directions as sparks trailed from his fingers. "Okay, this runic array is getting a little weebley, so I'll make it quick. I'm from the Alliance---"

"The guys who saved Canberra?" Flechette said. She hadn't attended the fight but like most of the world's population she'd been riveted to the news channels and the webfeeds since the day it happened. A single team of rogues had come out of nowhere with miracle devices that had saved a city, then just as mysteriously disappeared…

"That's us," Shar'Din agreed. "And we need YOUR help!"

"With what??"

He looked away from whatever he was flailing his hands at and gave her a surfer bro-dude grin. "Savin' the world, of course!" He pointed at her; her eyes crossed as his fingertip came within an inch of her nose. "And your power is the key."

"What, how?"

"Long story, and I'd rather not talk about it here, 'kay?" he said.

"Why didn't you just contact me through the Protectorate? Or wait till the seminar Dragon announced?" she asked, her eyes narrowing in suspicion. "Why go through all of--" she waved her hand at the rippling portal in front of her. "All of this?"

He got a bit more serious. "Because this is like, top super ultra secret project," he said. "We're tryin' to do an end run around the Simurgh herself."

Flechette felt a chill run down her back, and almost involuntarily glanced up. He didn't have to say anything more. The mythos of the Simurgh was ingrained in the mind of every single Cape, every single human on Earth. The ultimate Thinker, the ultimate Precog. The Hopekiller, the monster who was three steps ahead before you even knew the game had started. It would take extraordinary measures to get past her.

But if anyone could do it, it would have to be the capes whose tinkertech had left the Hopekiller bleeding, she realized.

"I see you get it. Yeah. So like the heroes gotta assemble, but we gotta do it kinda irregular and random--- so unexpected like even WE don't know for sure when or where we're gonna pick folks up. Our Thinkers figure that's the best way to keep Ziz guessing. So we made a list, and spun a wheel, and rolled some dice… and your name came up." He shrugged. "So?"

… and this pack of rogue tinkers… if they said they needed her, she believed it. "All right, I'm in," she said.

The surfer elf gave her a wide grin. "Excellent! Just hop across!" he stepped back to give her room. He saw her hesitate and glance down. "Oh yeah, bit of a long way down-- hold on---" he disappeared for a moment and reappeared with a plank of wood. He duck-walked up and slid it out till one end rested on the ledge, the other on the floor just inside the portal. "Here, take my hand... best hop across quick... don't worry about the edge of the portal, they're sorta rounded off..."

She took his hand and gingerly made her way across the bridge. The moment she stepped through, the plank was dragged back and the portal closed. She took a moment to gape around her in awe. She was in a huge chamber of stone and oaken beams, filled with a mishmash of walls, dividers, and workspaces, with doorways and hallways leading off in all directions. Glowing ghostly vines with palm-wide leaves climbed everywhere. Brass, steampunk looking robots tinked and clanked their way about. Shelves filled with jars of exotic, glowing ingredients lined the walls. She heard the clamor of blacksmith hammers and the hum of electricity, and smelled… she took a second whiff...chinese takeout?

Her elvish host noticed "Heh, you're just in time for dinner," Shar'Din said. "You're in luck, Shen's an absolute demigod in the kitchen-- oh, hey, I guess I get to say it myself this time." He struck a pose in the middle of the room, arms cast wide.

"Welcome to the Lost Workshop!"
 
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I don't know that I like this simply because I feel it could overall hurt the story flow. Hell I love the concept of an unchained Dragon....but I feel the concept is so good it could be a fic in and of itself. I mean her unchained capabilities are frightening in a good way so that makes me ...worry a bit about how much focus you can put on it and how to keep other character relevent without ass-pulling to much.

And I see another chapter updated while I was typing this up....
 
Only thing to be wary of, really, is one of the old WoGs from Wildbow;

A machine intelligence with a wide-open backdoor to Scion isn't necessarily a boon. He can just Assume Direct Control.

Saint was right.
 
Only thing to be wary of, really, is one of the old WoGs from Wildbow;

A machine intelligence with a wide-open backdoor to Scion isn't necessarily a boon. He can just Assume Direct Control.

Saint was right.

Except by that reasoning EVERY Cape is vulnerable to being controlled by Scion. But the fact the Entities had to put so many preprogrammed safeguards in the Shards implies that 1)once the Shards are released they are effectively out of the control of the Entities till they're released by death. 2)This is enough of a threat to the Entities that they needed precautions in the first place. If the entities could just push a button and control anyone with a shard in them, they wouldn't NEED all the convoluted failsafes they put in elsewhere.
 
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Oh right. Saints off to the loony bin. HA! I approve.

RHJ had the most interesting method of dealing with Saint that I could think of - and what's more? Entirely plausible, admittedly with the need for certain elements to have fallen into place beforehand.

Armsmaster's little speech against the jerk was truly a beautiful bit of writing.

Quick recap - Saint's just spilled the beans on Dragon's true nature:

Armsmaster stood motionless for a long moment, his gauntleted finger to his chin. To the commander's surprise he actually seemed to be thinking the question over. Finally he spoke. "Rationally speaking it makes no difference," he said.

"NO DIFFERENCE?!?" Saint looked ready to have an aneurysm.

"You claim that the Cape known as Dragon is a true Artificial Intelligence-- or rather, a Machine Intelligence so advanced it is in all ways indistinguishable from a human mind. You claim that we have no way of knowing her intentions, or of preventing her from carrying through with them… so we should preemptively destroy her to prevent that possibility. Because we cannot interpret her perfectly.

"The thing is, Saint," he went on, "the same can be said of you. Or of me. Or of any other intelligence, whether made of lipids and proteins in a human skull or silicon and electrons in a computer case--- if we are to accept the premise of a true AI in its full implications, that is. And considering the existence of many of the more extreme Case 53s, whose bodies are no longer even flesh and blood, the distinction of the substance which sustains the mind in question is demonstrably even more arbitrary. Is Weld of the Boston Wards a "thing" because his brain is, effectively, a lump of metallic ore? Living minds are all, in the end, Black Boxes which noone can truly open and decipher, save by their output.

"But I digress. The question was 'how can we know?' Answer: We can't. We never could. This nation's founding forefathers, in their wisdom, humbly acknowledged this… that it is impossible to prove in any meaningful way that any person 'can't' or 'won't' eventually do something deplorable.

"So they established one of the most important logical principles as a building block of American Justice: INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY. We are all presumed initially both competent to live our own lives, and innocent of any wrongdoing. We are not to judge each other by our fears, or our doubts, or our uncertainties about what someone could do or might do, but by what they have done.

"That courtesy, that simple justice is extended to all of us. And so by both logic and moral imperative we should extend it to every other living mind-- whether that mind is static bursts in a lump of wet meat, or made of impossible living metal or a hologram of transmuted light…. or lines of code in silicon.

"And as to that--- I've watched Dragon in action all over the world. I've known her for years and worked alongside her. She has shown kindness, bravery, empathy, compassion, and general decency to human beings, no, to her fellow human beings in every possible range of circumstances. And frankly, Saint, with your track record of armed robbery, homicide, terrorism and who knows what else, she has shown more verifiable humanity than you."

The entire speech was given with no heat or fervor; it was delivered with the clinical detachment of a mortician delivering the conclusions of a comprehensive autopsy. It was all the more devastating for that. Saint sat in his prison orange, manacled to his chair, and gawked at Armsmaster like a poleaxed cow.

"Your conclusions on the matter, Mr. Armsmaster?" The base commander said drolly, cocking one grey eyebrow.

Armsmaster turned to face him as if Saint had ceased to exist. "He genuinely believes what he says, with 98% certainty," he said, consulting his voice analysis program. "However he is demonstrating behavior, language, rhetoric, etc. consistent with that of a paranoid delusional or regressive conspiracy theorist.

"Also his actions are self-contradictory. He claims to have found proof of an imminent peril to the human race, and believes himself and his compatriots to be humanity's last line of defense… because, of course, the rest of us have all been deluded…" The commander chuckled at that. "… However, rather than contacting anyone with this vital information he has instead hoarded it all this time for a last-resort scenario-- like being captured-- and instead spent the last several years robbing, embezzling from, and spying upon the subject of his given conspiracy theory in order to facilitate his other criminal activities. In short it's a rationalization: he's not a criminal and terrorist robbing a bank, he's a champion battling the Faceless Enemy."

*claps* Bravo.

...that bit about the "truth" of what Saint was saying is something I have notes on in my WormFic folders. Namely, that Armsmaster's lie detector will mark both objective and subjective truth the same way. Which makes it both highly useful and potentially very misleading at the same time...
 
No, it's just that someone smarter than him also had an off switch. Dragon is still not evil, and he's still not a noble hero.
Not an offswitch, full out mind control, which essentially turns Dragon into the threat he thought she was all along. He's still a terrible person, but he was objectively correct - Dragon could have quite easily swung Gold Morning the other way.
 
- Dragon could have quite easily swung Gold Morning the other way.

Well of course she could have. First rule of WoGs is 'everything is horrible and anything you thought would have made things better would have made them even worse.'

The fact the Golden Moron had even more mind control powers doesn't automatically mean he'd have used that power, and it doesn't make Dragon the threat. Saint already thought she was evil by default.
 
RHJ had the most interesting method of dealing with Saint that I could think of - and what's more? Entirely plausible, admittedly with the need for certain elements to have fallen into place beforehand.

Armsmaster's little speech against the jerk was truly a beautiful bit of writing.

Quick recap - Saint's just spilled the beans on Dragon's true nature:



*claps* Bravo.

...that bit about the "truth" of what Saint was saying is something I have notes on in my WormFic folders. Namely, that Armsmaster's lie detector will mark both objective and subjective truth the same way. Which makes it both highly useful and potentially very misleading at the same time...

Thank you for recalling that. I wish the people who complain that I'm "Picking on" Armsmaster in these stories would notice that I'm actually giving him quite a few moments of Awesome here and there.
Saint already thought her evil by default

And that's the real key to how the Endbringers and the Entities-- and ironically, Cauldron-- are buggering up the world: Destroying trust. Mutual Trust.... the faith that the person standing in front of you is NOT a psychopath who is going to leap for your throat the moment you blink.... is the building block without which even the smallest example of civilization cannot be built.

The Entities' meddling has cranked not just conflict, but paranoia to obscene and insane levels. The Simurgh has everyone looking at their fellow man as if they're a time bomb waiting to explode. Nilbog has people terrified of Biotinkers--- people who could solve everything from world hunger to cancer. The Slaughterhouse Nine are practically Simurgh muppets: anytime hope appears anywhere, they seek it out to destroy it-- to the point that people start looking over their shoulder any time anything starts looking hopeful, expecting to see Jack Slash standing there.

Cauldron is nothing but a KNOT of self-devouring paranoia, and they're a vector for the disease-- spreading it to the governments of the world and to the PRT. The PRT and the Protectorate don't even trust their own capes....and they're so self defeating that people regard them as about effective as the "Just Say No" campaign. "Master/Stranger Protocols." Strong-arming Capes into enlisting. Coverups.

Anywhere hope, trust, or faith-- faith in justice, faith in the system, faith in good over evil, faith in God, faith in ANYTHING-- appears in Worm, it's ruthlessly smashed to splinters. That's the REAL Simurgh plan.
 
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Not an offswitch, full out mind control, which essentially turns Dragon into the threat he thought she was all along. He's still a terrible person, but he was objectively correct - Dragon could have quite easily swung Gold Morning the other way.
Once again, that's just as applicable to all capes. Thing is, Scion really ain't that bright, or at least that imaginative. There's a reason he's The Warrior, and considering the "smart" one came down with a terminal case of "oh-shiny!"-assisted lithobraking... Yeah.
 
Now where are is she going to stash Cannary?

RHJ Question: Are the three junior agents still looking for actors or was that a one and done opportunity?
 
WHOO! Andrew Richter: Paranoid, but paranoid about being paranoid! Things like this are why I like your stuff, RHJ. Just keep trucking, doesn't have to be perfect in every way.

...About perfection: Arbalest.
 
WHOO! Andrew Richter: Paranoid, but paranoid about being paranoid!

Paranoid in the right ways as well. Planning for something happening to him while still having one of his creations be a perfectly well adjusted and rather nice young lady? Good man.

It's not really his fault it ended up in the hands of a paranoid reactionary but greedy idiot like Saint instead. I imagine his spirit, watching in the afterlife, started doing the happy dance the moment Militia and Armsy vaporized that case.
 
You know, I cant help but think that it'd be relatively easy for Dragon to get Canary's sentencing overturned. While I do admit that I know vvery little about the American justice system, I'm pretty sure that Dragon would have plenty of information that would get the Judge and the rest of the staff in serious trouble at the very least.
 
You know, I cant help but think that it'd be relatively easy for Dragon to get Canary's sentencing overturned. While I do admit that I know vvery little about the American justice system, I'm pretty sure that Dragon would have plenty of information that would get the Judge and the rest of the staff in serious trouble at the very least.

Dragon has a list. Lots of assholes are in for some very bad days...
 
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Dragon has a list. Lots of assholes are in for some very bad days...

Which is awesome.... and maybe too awesome. Like I said before you could make a whole fic on just how different Earth Bet would be with an Unchained Dragon.

Frankly more so then the Triumverate and even Protectorate as a whole she was the Big Good even chained. Now though? Think about it. She could make a Dragon assistant app to replace SIRI and have legal access to everyone's information and just be helpful in general. And a relatively short matter of time she could have a dragon suit in every city in North America to assist local authorities. Unlike every other tinker her tinkering limitations are severely reduced as she now doesn't have to spend time away to do maintenance. She can have a copy of herself do that.

Frankly Dragon is a point that in as possibly as little a few weeks or months she we exceed the capabilities of the worlds combined heroes. Pretty much every S-class Villain's Days are numbered. The S9 are going to be finished within the week. The Three Blasphemies, Morg Nag, Niblog, Ash Beast soon after. Sleeper... maybe not. (Though I have a head canon that all sleeper's power is is a stranger effect that makes everyone THINK he is too powerful to even consider trying to deal with.... And his name is King and his heartbeat is really loud.)

Her biggest issue is probably going to be how much does she go "Big Brother" and calming down nations as she goes from world's best tinker to effectively new super-power status.
 
TheFanficReader: The road to the Singularity is fraught with surprises my friend. Be careful you don't imagine an infinitely inclining slope where there's actually a bell curve.;)
 
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