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The Velvet Room Attendant – A Lavenza Quest (Persona 5/Multicross)

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[X] Disregard it. Its impolite behavior has earned it no favors from you.
-[X] Fully investigate Mami's home? This is the first time you've been inside a human's living space, after all.
 
[X] Disregard it. Its impolite behavior has earned it no favors from you.
-[X] Is that rectangular device a television? You've never used one before…
 
[X] Disregard it. Its impolite behavior has earned it no favors from you.
-[X] Is that rectangular device a television? You've never used one before…
 
[X] Disregard it. Its impolite behavior has earned it no favors from you.
-[X] Is that rectangular device a television? You've never used one before…

I want to ask, can Lavenza pose a legitimate threat to Kyubey and his race if they ever come into conflict?
 
Killer Hamster said:
I want to ask, can Lavenza pose a legitimate threat to Kyubey and his race if they ever come into conflict?
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It depends how you go about opposing them.

You are currently the most powerful being on planet Earth, not counting the Incubators, so you'd definitely classify as a threat if you decide to dismantle their whole energy gathering operation. Which means they would take the safety gloves off. You don't want that to happen.
 
[X] Disregard it. Its impolite behavior has earned it no favors from you.
-[X] Is that rectangular device a television? You've never used one before...
-[X] Oh dear it's broken. Uhh... What would Margaret do?
Adhoc vote count started by shanagan on Feb 24, 2019 at 2:12 AM, finished with 13 posts and 9 votes.
  • [X] Disregard it. Its impolite behavior has earned it no favors from you.
    -[X] Is that rectangular device a television? You've never used one before…
    [X] Disregard it. Its impolite behavior has earned it no favors from you.
    -[X] Fully investigate Mami's home? This is the first time you've been inside a human's living space, after all.
    [X] Disregard it. Its impolite behavior has earned it no favors from you.
    -[X] See what Mami is doing? She left fairly quickly…
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Adhoc vote count started by shanagan on Feb 24, 2019 at 2:13 AM, finished with 13 posts and 9 votes.
  • [X] Disregard it. Its impolite behavior has earned it no favors from you.
    -[X] Is that rectangular device a television? You've never used one before…
    [X] Disregard it. Its impolite behavior has earned it no favors from you.
    -[X] Fully investigate Mami's home? This is the first time you've been inside a human's living space, after all.
    [X] Disregard it. Its impolite behavior has earned it no favors from you.
    -[X] See what Mami is doing? She left fairly quickly…
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[X] Disregard it. Its impolite behavior has earned it no favors from you.
-[X] Is that rectangular device a television? You've never used one before…
 
[X] Disregard it. Its impolite behavior has earned it no favors from you.
-[X] Fully investigate Mami's home? This is the first time you've been inside a human's living space, after all.
 
Ophysium said:
It depends how you go about opposing them.

You are currently the most powerful being on planet Earth, not counting the Incubators, so you'd definitely classify as a threat if you decide to dismantle their whole energy gathering operation. Which means they would take the safety gloves off. You don't want that to happen.
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What kind of cards they can bring to the table if Lavenza decided to oppose them?
 
[X] Subtly equip the persona Chi You. Now immune to psychic attacks, you'll be free to ignore the creature in peace...
-[x] Fully investigate Mami's home? This is the first time you've been inside a human's living space, after all.

I'd rather get more on the living space than random television program #24.

Also we have an Ignore Button. For the record, I'm using an online Persona 5 fusion calculator website. It features a list of all persona from the game, sort-able by many different criteria, including things like, say, how they respond to psychic attacks.
 
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BoundaryPhantasm said:
What kind of cards they can bring to the table if Lavenza decided to oppose them?
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The kind of things a type four-ish civilization capable of manipulating magic and entropy could be reasonably expected to have. Expect lots of explosions.

In a last resort direct confrontation, you'd be fine, probably. The solar system and the entirety of humanity? Not so much.
 
Ophysium said:
The kind of things a type four-ish civilization capable of manipulating magic and entropy could be reasonably expected to have. Expect lots of explosions.

In a last resort direct confrontation, you'd be fine, probably. The solar system and the entirety of humanity? Not so much.
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So if it comes down to a fight, we probably will have to seek out their homeworld and attack them there? They can't use their most powerful arsenal on their own world. And we probably will have to hurt them enough that they capitulate or if it come down to it, Exterminatus.
 
Killer Hamster said:
So if it comes down to a fight, we probably will have to seek out their homeworld and attack them there? They can't use their most powerful arsenal on their own world. And we probably will have to hurt them enough that they capitulate or if it come down to it, Exterminatus.
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...Elizabeth's story mode in P4A starts on the moon. She can just go to the moon. Somehow. And she just...doesn't need a space suit. Regular outfit, just standing on the surface of the moon.

Now, that proposal of yours is about ten orders of magnitude greater than that, but some method of crossing the inky blackness of space is possible.

Something to table for later.
 
[X] Disregard it. Its impolite behavior has earned it no favors from you.
-[X] Is that rectangular device a television? You've never used one before…
 
Killer Hamster said:
So if it comes down to a fight, we probably will have to seek out their homeworld and attack them there? They can't use their most powerful arsenal on their own world. And we probably will have to hurt them enough that they capitulate or if it come down to it, Exterminatus.
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The best way to deal with them would be to make them convince a large part of every single emotional civilization they don't exist and that everyone knows that, even a newborn. And then activate the same powers that the Demiurge used in persona 5 on these worlds. Because they would be the cause of the belief, a lot, if not all, of their magical defense would be made ineffectual, possibly forever as the belief of the emotionals continue to expand. This would result in either their erasure from reality or in an impossibility in interfering with emotionals civilization, even inderectly. And, in the latter case, they would be totally incapable to fight entropy as a bonus.
 
Also, invisitext.

Ophysium said:
It looks up at you with beady red eyes, swinging its strange large appendages to the side as it tilts its head in what you believe is confusion.
Greetings.
A prod at your psychic defenses makes you purse your lips as you reflexively overpower and crush the unwanted intruder, countless training sessions with Margaret having implanted into you the importance of mental barriers.

The small animal stops all movement at that, its head slowly righting its tilted angle to peer directly at you.

Nobody else seems to have noticed the thing's presence yet, Mami being too busy staring out the window to see it.
Who are you?
Another prod, this one so gentle you could have completely missed it without actively looking for it.
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Ophysium said:
The small creature sits on its hind legs as you drum your fingers upon the Compendium in your lap.

…It is clearly of a magical nature, that much you can tell. Perusing your magical senses gives you nothing of value, as you only see a faint if persistent presence amidst the myriad of human souls around you.

You are distinctly wary of it. Teleportation and psychic capabilities? Not something to be easily trifled with. Is it sentient, or is it driven purely by bestial urges? Then, does it want something particular from you?

Glancing around the confined space you are in, you see no one particularly cares for its bizarre and out-of-place presence. Most of the humans have their smartphones out, enthralled by its diminutive screen. A pang of envy runs through you, and you get the distinct desire to uncover the device's secrets.

Deciding they have the right idea, you proceed to ignore the being's existence.

Its large and luscious tail starts swaying behind its body, and you feel another metaphorical knock on your mental barriers.
My words aren't reaching you… Interesting.
You pay it no heed as you close your eyes and relax into the hard plastic chair. A sigh escapes you, not out of weariness, merely out of respite. You had been worried this world contained threats that would necessitate you bring your full might to bear against them, but after hours upon hours of searching, you uncovered nothing of the sort.
Is it intentional? What manner of being are you?
Certainly, you have found various matters worth investigating further, like Mami Tomoe, the dark entity you defeated, or the nuisance at your feet; but they aren't something that is worth making a fuss about.

You aren't disappointed. Of course you aren't. Why would you even consider that?

Opening your eyes with your mood suitably soured, you glance down to see the creature is still staring at you.
Are you even human? You don't feel like one…
It is persistent. You will concede that much.

The landscape outside changes as you progress through the city, and you manage to spot glimpses of a river as the towering steel buildings stop appearing everywhere you look.

Suddenly springing into motion, the creature bolts from the floor towards Mami on your right, making her jump in surprise as it lands in her lap.

"A-Ah." Recovering from her shock, she glances down to see it making itself comfortable on top of her. A smile blossoms into her face, giving life to her previously vacant expression.
Hello Mami. How has your day been?
So she is acquainted with it? Curious…

Other than smiling more genuinely, she doesn't acknowledge its presence in any noticeable way, the human male seated next to her not even looking over in the direction of the white animal.

Does it have some means to make itself invisible to regular humans? Is its appearance such an ordinary occurrence that they seemingly don't concern themselves with it? You don't remember Margaret mentioning something like it on your lessons concerning the real world…
Who's your friend? She's very interesting.
It turns its head in your direction, Mami glancing at you in unison. You don't acknowledge their looks, being too busy appreciating the view to care.

The river ends a few moments later, and you hear the sound of what you believe to be the vehicle's breaking mechanisms as the train slows down.

As soon as it stops and the doors open, the flood of people begins exiting the vehicle at a hurried pace.

You stand quickly, glad to have arrived at your destination.

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Following Mami's wake as she traverses through streets that seem familiar to her, you survey the area her home is apparently located in.

The fuzzy white feline-like creature is now perched on Mami's shoulders, its plush tail circling around her neck as she hums a song you fail to recognize, a pensive expression on her face.

Much less tall edifices litter the environment, the occasional two-storied building amid the expansive metropolis. The ambiance you grasp as you glance about is considerably less exciting than the one you felt throughout the main city.

At last, you arrive at a reasonably generic… apartment? Is that what Mami called it? In any case, she gestures at its glass doors as they open on their own at your approach and she enters, making you follow suit without issue.

The first floor appears to be some kind of reception room, a plain painting, and a sofa are the only items that furnish it, and you ignore them as Mami heads for a pair of metal doors at the side of the relatively large chamber.

She presses a button in a panel located at its side, causing them to slide open.

Ah. You know what this device is. It's an elevator.

You both enter as Mami presses another button and the doors slide closed, the unusual feeling of ascending without your direct input rather uncomfortable for you.
Such strong potential…
Paying no attention to the creature's unblinking stare, you hold your Grimoire close to your body as the elevator halts and you fill out with no haste.

The narrow hallway you emerge into is open to the outside, a glass railing demarking its end. You pass through a few doors before Mami stops at a particular one, her name placed on a plaque at the wall. She takes out a card that she displays on a receptor of some kind, and she turns to give you a smile as she somehow unlocks the door and enters.

Her residence is… ordinary? You know you lack a frame of reference to compare it to, but there is nothing extraordinary that immediately springs to you as you look through the inside.

"Make yourself at home," Mami tells you as she takes her own shoes off, placing them on a mat next to the entrance. "Are you hungry? I'll start preparing dinner in a bit." She says as the apparently very agile white feline jumps off her shoulders, lazily heading for the central table as it leaps once again to climb atop it.

You decide mimicking her actions is in your best interests, not certain on her motivations in remaining barefoot inside her own home. Questioning her on it would only needlessly complicate matters.

You notice stairs for a second floor in the apartment, Mami heading for a door next to them. You decide the sofa is suitable for now, so you walk over and primly sit upon it, laying your Grimoire by your side.

The animal circles the table it is on, tilting its head at you as it resumes its staring. You briefly wonder how those golden rings remain in place.
How unfortunate. Being able to communicate with you would make things much easier.
A nudge at your mental walls makes you frown at the creature. Rude.
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[X] Disregard it. Its impolite behavior has earned it no favors from you.
-[X] Is that rectangular device a television? You've never used one before…
Yaay, lets ignore Kyuubey forever. The guy wants to talk, he can actually use his mouth.
 
[X] Disregard it. Its impolite behavior has earned it no favors from you.
-[X] Is that rectangular device a television? You've never used one before…
 
[X] Disregard it. Its impolite behavior has earned it no favors from you.
-[X] Is that rectangular device a television? You've never used one before…
 
[X] Disregard it. Its impolite behavior has earned it no favors from you.
-[X] Is that rectangular device a television? You've never used one before…

On the Incubators, probably direct conflict is a bust...but I don't think they'd care to intervene for a local struggle. They let Kazamino go completely bugfuck nuts after all.

Why wouldn't they? One city is merely interesting data.
 
darknessworld said:
The best way to deal with them would be to make them convince a large part of every single emotional civilization they don't exist and that everyone knows that, even a newborn. And then activate the same powers that the Demiurge used in persona 5 on these worlds. Because they would be the cause of the belief, a lot, if not all, of their magical defense would be made ineffectual, possibly forever as the belief of the emotionals continue to expand. This would result in either their erasure from reality or in an impossibility in interfering with emotionals civilization, even inderectly. And, in the latter case, they would be totally incapable to fight entropy as a bonus.
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If I didn't misunderstand anything, you're proposing to merge a Metaverse with reality on a universal scale, then change the cognition of every single being capable of emotions so that the Incubators are erased from that new reality.

Not something Lavenza can do at the moment, but interesting.

veekie said:
On the Incubators, probably direct conflict is a bust...but I don't think they'd care to intervene for a local struggle. They let Kazamino go completely bugfuck nuts after all.

Why wouldn't they? One city is merely interesting data.
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You're thinking too small. With the kinds of things you know and have (Access to the Collective Unconscious, hard proof of interdimensional travel, etc), the Incubators would concede much more with some successful negotiation.
 
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Varano said:
why would we EVER offer something on that level that to those things, ever?
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Though, if Lavenza can show the Incubators a more efficient way of gather energy without causing all this suffering that their current method is giving they might just take it. Though, after seeing Rebellion, I just want to exterminate them. Madoka had given them a way to gather energy through the new system and they rather go back to the good old days. Assholes.
 
Ophysium said:
If I didn't misunderstand anything, you're proposing to merge a Metaverse with reality on a universal scale, then change the cognition of every single being capable of emotions so that the Incubators are erased from that new reality.

Not something Lavenza can do at the moment, but interesting.
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It's more of a bait them to change the cognition of themself as part of this reality to every other being capable of emotion through their memory manipulation powers, even just for a small amount of time. Then fuse at least the metaverse of every emotional being's planet with reality and make that cognition real and selfsustaining.

This could be obtained by making them think that our powers (and that of possible future persona users) would stop working against them if they are seen as an entity that obviously doesn't exist, because, while the belief of an unknown power working on an unknown enemy is shared between every living being, they will think the belief of a power not working on an entity that doesn't exist will prevail even on our natural powers, letting them capture or kill us.

Basically, we should let them think that there is an easier and more efficient way to defeat us, while not letting them know how much cognition can reshape reality in special circumstances they would have never been able to observe, like during a fusion of the metaverse with reality.
 
Killer Hamster said:
Madoka had given them a way to gather energy through the new system and they rather go back to the good old days. Assholes.
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Let's say you have two options. The first is the old way slaughter cows and pigs to get meat and the second would be to not do that but in exchange you get a thimble of meat each day for free, no cost, no suffering of animals. Would you choose the new, "better" option and starve?

We don't know enough to say for sure, but since to keep entropy at bay you need a constant influx of energy, the situation could have been that the new energy income of the incubators was unsustainable in the new universe and was only enough to delay the heat death for a limited amount of time.
 
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