Maybe but in the days that the asgardians actually negotiated for things diplomacy was a hell of a lot more axe to the face than the complicated intersection of laws both written and unwritten, expectations, considerations, and interests that it is today. Plus I can almost guarantee that they've never negotiated with humans in a situation where they're on equal footing. Or if not equal then at least in a situation where the humans don't worship them as gods.
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The Valkyrior (MCU Thor/Worm)
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They negotiate all the time. The Asgardians are basically a galactic power, but only one of many galactic powers.
Well given that they are still well above humans now I don't see why this matters.
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The Asgardians have a magical metal (the name escapes me at the moment, but Thor's hammer is made of it) that is stronger than Adamantium.
This may be a Worm fic, but it's taking place in the Marvel Universe. Worm rules don't fully apply.
And I think this is the first and only mention I've seen in the thread about the "other" duties of the Valkyries, when it comes to the fallen warriors in Valhalla. After all, they didn't just ferry the dead to Valhalla... they also "comforted" them.
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Source? I know that Valkyries' tasks at Valhalla made them basically waitresses - a female Norse warrior was properly a shieldmaiden* - but I'm fairly sure they didn't do any whoring.
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"There. Asgardian spiders. They'll keep you warm, keep you company, and keep danger away. Are you comforted yet Dennis, or should I cover you with more?"
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I think that this is probably correct... But from Thor's viewpoint, we're all (almost literally) at the level of trained apes. In comparison to Asgard, that is. What I'm trying to say is, why would he bother negotiating when he can just walk through a couple walls and take it? Sure, he might make a token attempt at being nice and asking for the cube, but when they refuse (when, not if), he's going to shrug, say, "Well, I tried, but what can you do? Primitives, amirite?
", and start breaking things. Because what are they going to do to stop him? Bleed on him?EDIT: Just thought of a better analogy than apes. Humanity is the hypothetical four-year-old that found Daddy's Glock in the sock drawer, and is now playing around with it in the living room. Of course Daddy is going to take it away before he hurts someone (or himself), but he'll probably ask us to hand it over first. When we refuse, he'll snatch it out of the kids hands, and probably give him a spanking for the trouble. Then he'll hide the thing where the kid can't get to it. Asgardians are being responsible parents towards their very precocious children, here.
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"You people are so petty and tiny".
Admittedly, he was under influence of Loki's scepter at the time, but looking at the way others reacted, I would say it just amplified things that already existed until they spilled out.
When he originally arrived on Earth, he was riding a battle high, having been rejected by his Father, stripped of his power, thrown through the Bifrost as a near human, then struck by a primitive vehicle. Darcy famously zapped him, he woke up confined and stripped, fought then got drugged. Upon waking up and escaping he got hit again by the same van.
Later, after food, a shower, proper (if odd) clothes and a little conversation, he was polite, urbane, even gallant. Yes, his manners were odd, but within human norms. So even in his 'jerk' phase, he dealt with mortals pretty well. He had some aristocratic arrogance, but honestly, your average football player is worse, with fewer redeeming qualities.
And yes, on the Hellicarrier, he was under the influence, and some of his background prejudices came out. So what? You think you don't have them? We all do. He's the son of the king of a spacefaring realm, concerned with the safety and prosperity of trillions: of course so where in the back of his mind, he thought the bickering of mortals were less than important. As soon as he was in his right mind, he clearly regretted saying it, as did all the others.
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It's not even like he was wrong. They were behaving like children. It was undiplomatic to say as much (and he really can't throw stones in that department), but then again he was being magically compelled to pick a fight at the time.
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My source was actually high school history/social studies class (circa 15 years ago). A cursory check on wikipedia doesn't mention it, but I know it was mentioned in some of the older Norse myths...
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As I said, waitresses. I could even accept them being Hooters-style eyecandy waitresses, but they'd still logically have a "look, don't touch" policy.
Yeah a Valkyrie would be perfectly capable of enforcing that
Agent: calls fury at 3 AM Fury we may have a problem on hand
Fury: What could possibly warrant waking me at this hour
Agent: You know how the negotiations were going early?
Fury: Terribly yes
Agent: well some of the female agents thought of a solution to fix it.
Fury: they didn't
Agent: Well at least we know Asgard will come to our aid and I hear Frigga was talking about grandchildren.
Fury:
Fury: What could possibly warrant waking me at this hour
Agent: You know how the negotiations were going early?
Fury: Terribly yes
Agent: well some of the female agents thought of a solution to fix it.
Fury: they didn't
Agent: Well at least we know Asgard will come to our aid and I hear Frigga was talking about grandchildren.
Fury:
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Whatever's in Valhalla that auto-rezzes deceased Einherjar every morning - forgot what it was - doesn't work if they're just maimed. (Lustrum approves of this solution.)
Agent: calls fury at 3 AM Fury we may have a problem on hand
Fury: What could possibly warrant waking me at this hour
Agent: You know how the negotiations were going early?
Fury: Terribly yes
Agent: well some of the female agents thought of a solution to fix it.
Fury: they didn't
Agent: Well at least we know Asgard will come to our aid and I hear Frigga was talking about grandchildren.
Fury:
Taylor: *allmyrage in background*
VolantRedX
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Agent: calls fury at 3 AM Fury we may have a problem on hand
Fury: What could possibly warrant waking me at this hour
Agent: You know how the negotiations were going early?
Fury: Terribly yes
Agent: well some of the female agents thought of a solution to fix it.
Fury: they didn't
Agent: Well at least we know Asgard will come to our aid and I hear Frigga was talking about grandchildren.
Fury:
Sif: *friendzone rage*
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Jamie Alexander does look a lot like an older Taylor might...
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Umm....this is the VIKING culture we're talking about, you know...
VolantRedX
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A culture that had some of the strictest laws governing consent in the world at the time.
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I was more refering to the complete and utter LACK of logic the culture possessed in regards to most things. They did coin "what doesn't kill you makes you stronger" while ingesting very potent poisons before engaging in very strenuous activities.
And Viking raiding parties were known to rape the women of the lands they pillaged...
And Viking raiding parties were known to rape the women of the lands they pillaged...
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Vikings weren't an entire culture of casual rape. In fact, Viking rape laws were far more progressive than their so-called "civilized" European counterparts. On the continent, women were considered property and so rape was a property crime -- there was no "victim," but the father or husband, whose property had been damaged. While Icelandic law punished both rape and attempted rape with outlawry, which was basically the death penalty. Rapists weren't executed outright, but it was totally legal to kill outlaws with impunity. And knowing the Vikings, "no consequence kill" was probably roughly analogous to "free ice cream buffet."
http://www.cracked.com/article_20474_5-shockingly-progressive-ideas-from-primitive-cultures.html
http://www.cracked.com/article_20474_5-shockingly-progressive-ideas-from-primitive-cultures.html
VolantRedX
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So were literally every major army in history ever. It's not like that's a practice unique to the Vikings or even something that went out of style with chain mail.