The Three-Headed Dragon: A Viserys Targaryen Quest Continuation [abandoned]

Stardust&Scotch · Sep 27, 2020

Alexander Sturnn said:
get rid of it. As soon as possible.
@Magoose warned us in his Quest that that Thing has some bad Magic on it thanks to some Bloodmagic BS

The possibility exists. You wouldn't have any way of knowing for sure unless you delved into some magic research or got a maester with some Valyrian links to look at it. For all you know, the magic may be the kind that inflicts madness and trauma on the unworthy. Or the kind that causes audiovisual hallucinations in second sons and unusual fingernail growth in thirds.

Cyberphilosipher said:
Oh @Marlowe310811 Can I get and or guess the Ages of House Forrester given that they are canon in this quest.

I will have a look, and endeavour to do my best!

Also, y'all: love the enthusiasm, but [gently taps 12-hr moratorium sign] want to give people some time to read and digest before needing to leap into plan making/voting.

Cyberphilosipher · Sep 27, 2020

Marlowe310811 said:
I will have a look, and endeavour to do my best!

I'll do my own work to help lighten the load a bit.

If that's Okay.

Inverted Fallecy · Sep 27, 2020

[X]Plan New Era, Old Problems

Pretty much what I was thinking. Though while I would want a maester that was more skilled with math and economics, the trouble we end up finding ourselves in has been a constant when Viserys was exiled.

Haaruno · Sep 27, 2020

Are Arianne and Dany already coming to Kings Landing?

tavoxd100 · Sep 27, 2020

Inverted Fallecy said:
[X]Plan New Era, Old Problems

Pretty much what I was thinking. Though while I would want a maester that was more skilled with math and economics, the trouble we end up finding ourselves in has been a constant when Viserys was exiled.

I concur viserys always have problem in this areas of knowledge and we need all the help we can need to tried unfuck the state of the economy that robert with his vices and policies have cause to the treosure of the kingdom.

Stardust&Scotch · Sep 27, 2020

Haaruno said:
Are Arianne and Dany already coming to Kings Landing?

As soon as a raven handler or handlers are located, ravens will be sent. That isn't something you'll need to vote on, I'm not going to make you micromanage Viserys that much.

Their character sheets are up and the Character Ages info post list them as in KL because, frankly, I don't feel like sitting on the sheets until they get home or editing the info post just because your princesses are temporarily in another ~~castle~~ kingdom

Cyberphilosipher said:
I'll do my own work to help lighten the load a bit.

If that's Okay.

I mean, I wouldn't mind, as the wikis I frequent have nothing helpful to tell me about the Forresters' ages, though they do seem to be thinly-veiled Stark expys at first glance.

Haaruno · Sep 27, 2020

How far along is Arianne's pregnancy?

Cyberphilosipher · Sep 27, 2020

Marlowe310811 said:
I mean, I wouldn't mind, as the wikis I frequent have nothing helpful to tell me about the Forresters' ages

Alright, Going by the CK2 Mod and the Season 2 Fanon AU wiki, we should have some ages.

Gregor "the Good" Forrester: is 53 at the time of his death at the Red Wedding, so he should be about 50 (Born in 247 AL)

His Wife Elissa Forrester: Died at the age of 51 in 301 AL, so she's about 47 or 48 (Born 250 AL)

His First Son Rodrick Forrester: He dies at 26 if left behind, so he's 23 years old (Born 274 AL)

Secound Son Asher Forrester: Is easy, this is the year he was exiled, so he would be 17 (Born 279 AL)

First Daughter Mira: She died in 300 AL, knowingly and was in Margery's age group, so she's 16 (Born 282 AL)

Third Son Ethan and Second Daughter Talia: Simple, they are both ten given their twins. (Born 287 AL)

Forth Son Ryon: He's Three. (Born 294 AL)

Hope this helps boss.

Stardust&Scotch · Sep 27, 2020

Cyberphilosipher said:
Alright, Going by the CK2 Mod and the Season 2 Fanon AU wiki, we should have some ages.

Gregor "the Good" Forrester: is 53 at the time of his death at the Red Wedding, so he should be about 50 (Born in 247 AL)

His Wife Elissa Forrester: Died at the age of 51 in 301 AL, so she's about 47 or 48 (Born 250 AL)

His First Son Rodrick Forrester: He dies at 26 if left behind, so he's 23 years old (Born 274 AL)

Secound Son Asher Forrester: Is easy, this is the year he was exiled, so he would be 17 (Born 279 AL)

First Daughter Mira: She died in 300 AL, knowingly and was in Margery's age group, so she's 16 (Born 282 AL)

Third Son Ethan and Second Daughter Talia: Simple, they are both ten given their twins. (Born 287 AL)

Forth Son Ryon: He's Three. (Born 294 AL)

Hope this helps boss.

That does, thank you! They'll be added when I'm back at a non-phone keyboard.

Haaruno said:
How far along is Arianne's pregnancy?

tavoxd100 · Sep 27, 2020

[X]Plan New Era, Old Problems

Fiori75 · Sep 27, 2020

Okay so while i like the majority of @Magoose's plan. I can't help but not like the wish for a Maester versed in herbals, because medicine can just as easily be turned to poison, and it was the Maester's that killed the old dragons.

Stardust&Scotch · Sep 27, 2020

Fiori75 said:
Okay so while i like the majority of @Magoose's plan. I can't help but not like the wish for a Maester versed in herbals, because medicine can just as easily be turned to poison, and it was the Maester's that killed the old dragons.

You may of course craft your own. I may change my mind and go to approval voting so people are able to disagree with single points rather than a whole

Inverted Fallecy said:
[X]Plan New Era, Old Problems

tavoxd100 said:
[X]Plan New Era, Old Problems

Moratorium.

Swedish15 · Sep 28, 2020

I like the plan of @Magoose - I agree, we should persecute the Screams monstrosity, and if we do it in the court of law, it's a good precedent *and* it differentiates us from both our predecessors. Also, it will probably calm down the Lords.

As for Sandor, I'm unsure; taking the Black would be an option, remaining in the city.

Regarding the maester - I get that health is important, but mathematics and economics are usually the stable foundation of a proper country. @Marlowe310811 - usually Maesters have more than one link; how good are our bets to get one who can do both?

Inverted Fallecy · Sep 28, 2020

If we try to get a maester who can do both healing and economics, they'd probably be average in both instead of specializing. But that's just my guess.

Sandor can prove useful for certain tasks or situations, like shaping up the goldcloaks.

I'm all for setting up a trial to prosecute those in the blackcells.

Stardust&Scotch · Sep 28, 2020

Swedish15 said:
I like the plan of @Magoose - I agree, we should persecute the Screams monstrosity, and if we do it in the court of law, it's a good precedent *and* it differentiates us from both our predecessors. Also, it will probably calm down the Lords.

As for Sandor, I'm unsure; taking the Black would be an option, remaining in the city.

Regarding the maester - I get that health is important, but mathematics and economics are usually the stable foundation of a proper country. @Marlowe310811 - usually Maesters have more than one link; how good are our bets to get one who can do both?

Well, the principle of the Grand Maester is that he should be able to advise the king on all matters of the Citadel's study to some extent. In practice, that's not all that feasible (maybe one in a hundred maesters has even a single link of Valyrian steel) or practical (how much does astronomy or astrology really impact your ability to rule?) but unless you do something to really piss off the archmaesters, you can feel fairly safe that you won't receive someone who's incompetent or useless in a given field ... with, again, perhaps the exception of the 'higher mysteries', and there it wouldn't be necessarily incompetence so much as scepticism and dismissiveness. You can rest assured, anyone you're sent will have at least a couple of links in medicine, ravenry, history and economics. If you request a specialist, though, you've got pretty good odds of getting one, considering, y'know. Conquering hero and all that.

Themarineguy · Sep 28, 2020

Marlowe310811 said:
with, again, perhaps the exception of the 'higher mysteries', and there it wouldn't be necessarily incompetence so much as scepticism and dismissiveness. You can rest assured, anyone you're sent will have at least a couple of links in medicine, ravenry, history and economics. If you request a specialist, though, you've got pretty good odds of getting one, considering, y'know. Conquering hero and all that

So in other words, besides the higher mysteries choice, the maester would likely know a decent amount of the other fields that were not chosen, with it being more trying to get one with a specialty in that field?

Stardust&Scotch · Sep 28, 2020

Themarineguy said:
So in other words, besides the higher mysteries choice, the maester would likely know a decent amount of the other fields that were not chosen, with it being more trying to get one with a specialty in that field?

More or less. I'll roll a d100 with escalating DCs for how experienced/helpful this guy will be. A nat100 would net you the most helpful maester in existence, a nat1 gets you another Pycelle, etc. Generally speaking, though, expertise in one area will come at the expense of another -- a maester well-versed in medicine may be rubbish with economics, a bookworm historian is useless with the 'art' of warfare, and so on. Again, RNGesus may be your friend here.

Also: moratorium over, and I think for now I'm going to change to approval voting -- vote for what you want, the top vote-getters will proceed.

Alexander Sturnn · Sep 28, 2020

[X]Plan New Era, Old Problems

stuckunderwater · Sep 28, 2020

I'm very excited to follow this quest! Looking forward to seeing where this goes!

Swedish15 · Sep 28, 2020

[X]Plan New Era, Old Problems

Vocalist · Sep 28, 2020

I'm so excited for you, @Marlowe310811 !

[X] You hope for someone with links of Valyrian steel, for the higher mysteries
Mage gang, represent.
[X] Sandor Clegane, once the sworn sword of Prince Joffrey...
-[X] will be allowed to remain in the city
In-character, he doesn't seem like he'll be a problem. Out-of-character, if Viserys can put up with Jaime's jerkassery, he can put up with Sandor's.

[X] Gyles Rosby, the former Master of Coin...
-[X] will stand trial for his role in the Dragons' Screams
[X] Paxter Redwyne, the former Master of Ships...
-[X] will stand trial for his role in the Dragons' Screams
Not sure what the Screams are, since I have not yet read the prequel, but they sound bad.

[X] Diminish it. It is an important symbol, but it is much too big and too overpowering for your purposes, or the realm you wish to forge.

I actually like the metaphor posed by the throne. Power is dangerous, both to the wielder and the subject. A king should never become complacent. Watch your back, keep control of your movements. That said, if Viserys wants to conduct his daily business from someplace comfier, that's fine.

Magoose · Sep 28, 2020

Vocalist said:
Not sure what the Screams are, since I have not yet read the prequel, but they sound bad.

If your wondering, it was Roberts's attempts at genociding the Valyrians that survived the Doom on the continent. So basically, it's everyone in the Crownlands and Dragonstone, the Westrosi Valyrians who had taken up residence in Westeros post doom.

Alexander Sturnn · Sep 28, 2020

Yeah, after Viserys, Dany and Aegon hatched their Dragons and revealed themselves to the World, Bobby snapped badly. He was already in a bad Place and had become more and more ruthless as time went on. But that Part pushed him over the Edge.

Stardust&Scotch · Sep 28, 2020

Vocalist said:
I'm so excited for you, @Marlowe310811 !

[X] You hope for someone with links of Valyrian steel, for the higher mysteries
Mage gang, represent.
[X] Sandor Clegane, once the sworn sword of Prince Joffrey...
-[X] will be allowed to remain in the city
In-character, he doesn't seem like he'll be a problem. Out-of-character, if Viserys can put up with Jaime's jerkassery, he can put up with Sandor's.

[X] Gyles Rosby, the former Master of Coin...
-[X] will stand trial for his role in the Dragons' Screams
[X] Paxter Redwyne, the former Master of Ships...
-[X] will stand trial for his role in the Dragons' Screams
Not sure what the Screams are, since I have not yet read the prequel, but they sound bad.

[X] Diminish it. It is an important symbol, but it is much too big and too overpowering for your purposes, or the realm you wish to forge.

I actually like the metaphor posed by the throne. Power is dangerous, both to the wielder and the subject. A king should never become complacent. Watch your back, keep control of your movements. That said, if Viserys wants to conduct his daily business from someplace comfier, that's fine.

Thrilled to have you!

And yeah, what the above two said. In this timeline, the syphilitic brain rot got an early start on Robert, and he decided that anyone and everyone who even passably resembled a Targaryen was a traitor and had to be put to death.

Trying to balance the Robert who's my problematic fave in Silver King, with the mass-murdering Richard III-impersonating fuckhead he became here, has been kind of tricky for my brain.

Magoose · Sep 28, 2020

Marlowe310811 said:
Trying to balance the Robert who's my problematic fave in Silver King, with the mass-murdering Richard III-impersonating fuckhead he became here, has been kind of tricky for my brain.

Considering the insane shit that Viserys got up to, V's own skill in intrigue, and a lot of terrible influences on Robert himself...

Yeah... well, that's what happens when things go absolutely mad in terms of canon fuckery.

The Three-Headed Dragon: A Viserys Targaryen Quest Continuation [abandoned]

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