The Steep Path Ahead [Familiar of Zero AU]

I think you mean Charlotte mother given Louise's mother is Karin, the comically overly powered wind mage of doom. Still as I noted before a fate worse than death and you just know that sort of thing has to come back and bite the elves sometime.

I am picturing some of of horrid unworldly monster born out of the elves actions and the countless suffering of the unknown amounts of incidents so inflicted and those killed trying to protect them waiting and lurking for its chance to escape into the world.
 
I think you mean Charlotte mother given Louise's mother is Karin, the comically overly powered wind mage of doom. Still as I noted before a fate worse than death and you just know that sort of thing has to come back and bite the elves sometime.

I am picturing some of of horrid unworldly monster born out of the elves actions and the countless suffering of the unknown amounts of incidents so inflicted and those killed trying to protect them waiting and lurking for its chance to escape into the world.
A "fate worse than death" is thrown around a lot, but have you stopped to think about what it means? it means that that it would be better- for you, had you died. As in everyone with a heart will take one look at you and kill you. Yet we call things like rape and the like "worse than death". Yet not once have I heard people actually advocate killing everyone in mental hospitals, hospices, women's shelters and such. Now I can think of things worse than death, which will not be mentioned because I like not being banned, but catatonia? is not.

Besides. What should the elves do? roll over and die? because that is what the humans want. This is not something that compromise can work for. And just killing the void mages? would mean they had to kill way more innocent people. And they did by the way. Not because of the void mage, but because of what human society wants.
 
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As opposed to kidnapping and breaking people's minds? People who's only crime is to be born? People who could be perfect saints and the nicest people in the world but regardless are considered to demons by the elves simply because they inherited the void? There is nothing morally or honorably justifiable about such behavior.
 
As opposed to kidnapping and breaking people's minds? People who's only crime is to be born? People who could be perfect saints and the nicest people in the world but regardless are considered to demons by the elves simply because they inherited the void? There is nothing morally or honorably justifiable about such behavior.
Those people are also only ones that can reasonably challenge them on magical field and while at that negate technological superiority. They work hard to deny strategic (super)weapon to foreign, hostile nation. They also live in fear of void mage summoning Heart of God familiar and learning genocide spell (or xenocide depending on how you look at it).
It's very much military decision and reasoning on their part.
 
Uhm...There is another thing.

As Bidashal puts it, the 'Shaitan Gate' actually increases in activity the more Void Mages there are, and the stronger they become. Like, the mere existence of an 'Active' Void Mage is enough to increase the Gate's activity, which is enough of a problem the King of the Elf is perfectly willing to grant to a Human king a lot of stuff just so he helps in stopping Void Mages.
 
It doesn't make what they are doing any less evil, dishonorable and morally repentant though.
 
It doesn't make what they are doing any less evil, dishonorable and morally repentant though.

But it makes it more understandable and reasonable, considering that max. 4 lifes lost is much more bearable then losing entire generations due a unwinnable crusade or to the gate

it isn't a moral victory for sure and yes it is the lesser of two evils but in the end it is the only solution possible for the elves who actually are more or less the victim in this situation and yet still use the lesser of the two evils
 
But it makes it more understandable and reasonable, considering that max. 4 lifes lost is much more bearable then losing entire generations due a unwinnable crusade or to the gate

it isn't a moral victory for sure and yes it is the lesser of two evils but in the end it is the only solution possible for the elves who actually are more or less the victim in this situation and yet still use the lesser of the two evils

A evil act done in the name good is still evil, and I am not sure I would go as far as call the elves victims given they are the ones who have been kidnapping and breaking people's minds for thousands of years.

That makes them or at least the elven leadership a active agency just as surely as the Brimiric church with their plans, the real victims are the people caught in the middle.
 
A evil act done in the name good is still evil, and I am not sure I would go as far as call the elves victims given they are the ones who have been kidnapping and breaking people's minds for thousands of years.

That makes them or at least the elven leadership a active agency just as surely as the Brimiric church with their plans, the real victims are the people caught in the middle.
And I hate this sanctimonious, selfish bull that people like you peddle as morality. Because quite frankly? by saying that picking the "lesser evil" is unacceptable, you should refuse to pick at all you say you value your ability to look at yourself in the mirror more than other peoples lives. That degree of selfishness is reprehensible and frankly? if it where up to me people like would loose membership in the human race. Because it is turning more and more people into morons who cannot do basic math. If every human life is of immeasurable, irreplaceable value then logically the only way to exceed it is with multiple human lives. Thankfully it is not, so you may continue to call yourself human.

See the elven kings know that if the Void mages are left alone then people will die- even if they do nothing at all, innocents will die simply because they exist and in numbers larger than four. And they can guess with so much certainty, given this has happened every single time, that it might as well be knowledge that they will not do nothing- they will be figureheads at the very least to yet another destructive war as humans attempt to kill every, single elf- combatants, non-combatants and infants alike will suffer. And lots of humans will die.

No arguing against this without an actual solution is evil because you are saying that living with yourself, as an individual, is more valuable than someone else's life, and large numbers no less. Now I do not actually believe you to be evil, simply ignorant and preaching Politically Correct morality rather than... anything sensible.
 
A evil act done in the name good is still evil, and I am not sure I would go as far as call the elves victims given they are the ones who have been kidnapping and breaking people's minds for thousands of years.

That makes them or at least the elven leadership a active agency just as surely as the Brimiric church with their plans, the real victims are the people caught in the middle.

What should they have done? If they didn't take action to neutralize the Void users than the very best outcome would be the outbreak of an extremely destructive war and the possibility of complete destruction. The extreme propaganda of the Brimiric church and the central role played by the "Evil Elves" within their mythology almost certainly makes any diplomatic solution impossible.

Saying that the Elf organization responsible for neutralizing the void users is "Evil" willfully ignores the fact that the organization choosing not to neutralize the void users on the basis of morality would be even worse.
 
And I hate this sanctimonious, selfish bull that people like you peddle as morality. Because quite frankly? by saying that picking the "lesser evil" is unacceptable, you should refuse to pick at all you say you value your ability to look at yourself in the mirror more than other peoples lives. That degree of selfishness is reprehensible and frankly? if it where up to me people like would loose membership in the human race. Because it is turning more and more people into morons who cannot do basic math. If every human life is of immeasurable, irreplaceable value then logically the only way to exceed it is with multiple human lives. Thankfully it is not, so you may continue to call yourself human.

See the elven kings know that if the Void mages are left alone then people will die- even if they do nothing at all, innocents will die simply because they exist and in numbers larger than four. And they can guess with so much certainty, given this has happened every single time, that it might as well be knowledge that they will not do nothing- they will be figureheads at the very least to yet another destructive war as humans attempt to kill every, single elf- combatants, non-combatants and infants alike will suffer. And lots of humans will die.

No arguing against this without an actual solution is evil because you are saying that living with yourself, as an individual, is more valuable than someone else's life, and large numbers no less. Now I do not actually believe you to be evil, simply ignorant and preaching Politically Correct morality rather than... anything sensible.

And I hate the santimonious bull the greater good as justifying all and that as long as its the name of the greater good its morally justified, its the sort of thinking that killed countless millions and led to some of the most vile action in history. More evil has been done in the name of the 'greater good' than anything else in history.

Also I never said that they should not do nothing only that what they were doing was evil which it is and we have no evidence that they even bothered to find another way. A evil act done in the name of good is still evil and its something that someone should do penitence for if it must be done.
 
Also I never said that they should not do nothing only that what they were doing was evil which it is and we have no evidence that they even bothered to find another way.
We don't have evidence they haven't tried anything else either. As I recall, the grudge between the Humans and Elves started because Sasha assassinated Brimir to stop him from exterminating her species. Maybe specifically targeting the Void mages is the most restrained tactic the Elves have attempted that works. Maybe diplomacy failed and their next best alternative is to conquer or wipe out the humans.
 
The grudge started before that. There was a incident with that gate thing that apparently killed a lot of elves and the elves responded not by simply punishing Brimir who they blamed for it but by collectively punishing his entire people by banishing them to Halk throwing them out of their homeland. It was sometime after the banishment that Brimir apparently tried to kill all the elves which lead to Sasha killing him though we don't know why he decided to do so then.
 
Maybe diplomacy failed and their next best alternative is to conquer or wipe out the humans

Yeah no, have you seen what is taught there by the faith, diplomacy has been off the table since 6000 years ago

The grudge started before that. There was a incident with that gate thing that apparently killed a lot of elves and the elves responded not by simply punishing Brimir who they blamed for it but by collectively punishing his entire people by banishing them to Halk throwing them out of their homeland.

Sorry to say it like that but that is bullshit, the holy land always belonged to the elves, while it was never outright stated why, but it was said that the humans lived there with them because the elves allowed them to settle with them because otherwise humanity would be wiped out

They were later on banished because of 'something' (it was never really explained what really happened to my knowledge, but obviously it had something to do with the gate and the 'void demons' within it)

But the basic was humanity fucked up badly and got their settlement rights rewoked,

It was sometime after the banishment that Brimir apparently tried to kill all the elves which lead to Sasha killing him though we don't know why he decided to do so then.

Then during their banishment brimir repeantly cast genocide on several races in order to garantuee the survival of mankind (he was still feeling sorry there) until it killed the heart of god (who was implied to be his lover), which drove him mad out of guilt to the point that his only solution to end all the conflicts that mankind faced was to genocide the elves and then take their land, sasha as an elf obviously didn't find it all that peachy and decided to stop him by killing him, which then futher fuled the hate of humanity for the elves and resulted in 6000 years of racism and warfare
 
What now? The original heart of god was killed during the spell that wiped out the race threatening both the humans and elves which happened before the incident with the gate which got Brimir and the humans banished. Pointedly one of the features of the genocide spell is that using it that kills the heart of god. That was a major plot point in the canon series.

Birmir later summoned Sasha as the heart of god but Brimir only had two hearts of gods the unkown heart of god(no evidence that it was his lover only that it was someone close which means it could have just as easily been a blood relative or his best friend for all we know) and Sasha.

As for the humans banishment its clear it had everything to do with Brimir messing with Shatan's gate then something happened we don't know what and then a lot of elves died. However as I noted before that was Brimir's actions not his people as whole but they were all punished.

There is also no evidence that that the humans didn't always live in the holy land before their banishment. In fact we don't know much about Brimir people at all other than they were apparently nomadic or semi nomadic and were all very powerful mages.

As a minor side note when the elves talk about void demons they are talking about void mages, all void mages are demons in their eyes with Brimir being the devil in their religious world view who was slain by their great saint Anubis(Sasha).
 
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What now? The original heart of god was killed during the spell that wiped out the race threatening both the humans and elves which happened before the incident with the gate which got Brimir and the humans banished. Pointedly one of the features of the genocide spell is that using it that kills the heart of god. That was a major plot point in the canon series.

Nope, it was stated in volume 19 that brimir used genocide actually a few times after their banishment and doing a leap of logic overusing genocide was what killed the first heart not the spell itself, not much of a difference where heart is concered (other than a potential survival for saito in canon should genocide be used) but truly a real game changer when it comes to the survival of the species

also could you give me the quote where it was stated that brimir used genocide to safe the elves ?

There is also no evidence that that the humans didn't always live in the holy land before their banishment. In fact we don't know much about Brimir people at all other than they were apparently nomadic or semi nomadic and were all very powerful mages.

During vol 19 it is stated by the elf who helps saito & tiff that the 'holy land' always belonged to the elves and that humans later settled there

Birmir later summoned Sasha as the heart of god but Brimir only had two hearts of gods the unkown heart of god(no evidence that it was his lover only that it was someone close which means it could have just as easily been a blood relative or his best friend for all we know) and Sasha.

And also wrong, Brimir didn't summon Shasha, he orginally forged a contract with sasha making her his familiar (much to her displeasure) as one of his experiments, they stuck a deal and sasha became the left hand of god and it was only afterwards, after the banishment and the death of the original heart that he turned sasha into another heart to off the elves and take their lands

The lover-part was implied in the sense that brimir couldn't and wouldn't even speak the name of the original heart out of the grief he felt over her death and the consideration that znt is at it's heart partly the romance of saito and louise
 
Hmm I guess I better check back to basics then and check, though the only named race that it is mentioned that Birmir genocided with the spell was the Varyag which back to basics also mentions as nearly driving both the elves and humans to extinction before Birmir wiped them out with his genocide spell.

I also remember Back to Basics also mentioning that Birmir accidentally summoned Sasha who he had previously bound as the left hand of god as the heart of god after he was banished Beyond that it just mentions there is mostly a lot of circumstantial evidence about what happened but no explicit evidence.
 
Chapter Eighty-Four
Chapter Eighty-Four

Tiffania was wheezing. Her robes were fluttering by the strain of her chest contracting and expanding, her face flush with fatigue and red. In a certain, definitely non-endearing way, she reminded Louise of Saito. In another, far less nostalgic thought, she also was an elf with impossible breasts, so she could sweat a bit.

"Maybe we could stop for a little while," Saito suggested, making Louise bite her lips and sigh.

"We won't reach Lutece by nightfall if we keep wasting time," Louise said. She drummed her fingers on the handle of her swordwand, gazing ahead at the vast plain. "I could try to shorten our trip though," she added. "But I don't know how you'd take it. It would be the first time I bring someone along."

Saito blinked. "You mean, that Teleport of yours?"

"Yes," Louise nodded. "The more of the spell I chant the further I go, but I have no idea if I can take someone with me or not, and the Willpower cost associated with more than one person."

Tiffania wheezed a long, drawn-out breath, and then fell down on her knees with her chest wobbling about -even if hidden for the most part by her large robes. "I'm sorry," she whined pitifully, looking downcast. "I'm slowing you down-"

"It's not your fault," Saito said with a small smile, kneeling down. "We could have bought a horse near Versailles, or taken a coach from there, but-"

Saito felt something sharp poke one of his ass cheeks. "Say it," Louise said offhandedly. "See if I don't keep my promises."

Saito began to sweat, and then smiled brightly, changing line of thought, "But a nice walk in the countryside is good too! Very nice for the lungs, the heart, and it slims people down!"

As he 'enthusiastically' spoke about that, the sharp tip left his buttocks and was quickly holstered once more, as Louise snorted in approval. "Very well," Louise said with a sigh. "Five minutes of rest won't kill anyone, but then we have to hurry ahead."

Moving to the side of the road, where a loose rock wall had been erected to separate the fields from the road itself, the trio caught their breath with various degrees of effort. Saito stretched his arms, the clinking sound of the gauntlets every now and then striking a hearty tune against the breastplate. Louise hummed as she began to polish her breastplate with a piece of cloth, as if mud was an inexcusable sin that needed to be washed clean.

Tiffania simply caught her breath her chest heaving up and down, in a sort of hypnotic pattern that would have made Saito really interested, if it weren't for something sharp by his side poking him every now and then to remind him that yes, Louise was keeping an eye on him too.

"Can't you use Elf spirit magic to fly or something?" Louise asked suddenly.

"Ah-no," Tiffania whispered. "The spirits-they don't like me. My mother told me it was because I was half-human, but-" she fidgeted, "It's not that they don't like me, it's more like they hate me."

"What are these spirits anyway?" Saito asked, furrowing his brows. "I mean, I fought a couple of mages-"

"One," Louise said.

"Definitely felt like more than one," Saito answered in turn. "Your mother is a mage too, isn't it?"

"If your definition of 'fighting' means being thrown through a wall and nearly dying, then yes, you 'fought' my mother," Louise said dryly.

"Well-There was that time with the assassin that killed me," Saito pointed out, only for Tiffania to gasp with both hands in front of her mouth, "Don't worry, I got better," he added to the girl with a smile.

"That was a one-sided slaughter," Louise said offhandedly, before her eyes widened suddenly. "Saito," she mouthed, "The assassin-"

"Yes? He was under Charlotte's orders, wasn't he?"

"It was Wardes," Louise said. "He-He used the same technique to kill you as he did with the Elf-"

"But the assassin had blond hair, Louise, not grey," Saito pointed out.

The girl spluttered. "Then it could have been Bleu, I guess. He said he was a Wind and Water mage, didn't he? Perhaps-argh, I don't know. How do you think lightning is made? Wind and...Fire? I don't think Earth has anything to do with it, but Ice is definitely Wind and Water so..."

"We could ask Wardes?" Saito hazarded. "It's something he can do, so he might know who else is capable of doing that."

"And if it's him and he lies?" Louise drawled back. "What then? Could you kindly blame yourself of being an assassin for the Crown? Do you really think he'd go that far?" she snorted. "Well, I'm sure I can ask a more experienced mage once we return to Tristain."

Saito blinked. "I just realized something," he said. "Since I'm not going back home after all, do you think your father will be pissed?"

Louise blinked in return, and then she began to giggle. "Don't worry, dad's a real softy. It's mother you'll have to worry about, Saito."

It turned out that a coach trip back to Tristain, and to be more precise the city of Valier, would cost a pretty ecu. Well, not really a 'pretty' ecu as much as a 'lot' of ecus.

"We could-" Saito began, only to yelp as he grabbed his punctured buttock with an affronted gaze at Louise, who simply flicked her index finger against the tip of her blade, letting it ring harmoniously.

Tiffania winced and shyly fidgeted, "I don't have much-"

"Don't worry," Louise said offhandedly. "We're adventurers first and foremost, and nobles in our spare time. Let's go Saito. I'm sure there's an Adventurers' guild somewhere in this city, or I'll eat my cloak with salt and pepper."

Saito sighed and passed a hand through his hair. "Well," he said. "Let's find an inn and go from there?"

The inn they found was relatively clean and kept in order, if a bit closer to the walls of the capital than what the 'merchant' tastes would normally accept. Near it, the slums were pretty much visible from the second floor, a mass of mud and barely serviceable houses of wood held together by sheer miracle. Still, even the workers needed someplace to sleep.

The inn was a notorious mercenary cove, and as Saito soon realized upon stepping inside, it wasn't a place for the faint of hearts.

The acrid smell of smoke hung heavy, the stench of sweat and blood profusely left to ripe was like a fist to the stomach, and more than one set of eyes turned to look at them as they entered.

"I don't think this is a good idea," Saito murmured as Tiffania hid behind Saito, her two voluptuous qualities squishing against his back, and thus annoying Louise to no end. "But we don't have to leave immediately."

"We're adventurers," Louise said gruffly, her mask firmly set in her place. "Looking for work," she added as she sat by the counter. "You heard about anything worthy of our time?"

The barman scoffed, but refrained from saying anything rude as a couple of golden Ecus found their way upon his counter, and then quickly disappeared to be replaced with frothing beer.

"Adventurers are all about monster slaying, not human hunting," the barman replied. "Still, oi, Ulfric!" the man gestured to a burly looking and menacing giant of a man, who stood up to his full height at being called. "You said your favorite purse had trouble with a Hydra?"

"Yes," Ulfric nodded once. "Lord Belmont has a hydra in his garden. He's grown annoyed with it and wants it gone," he added.

"How many heads does it have?" Louise asked.

"Twelve," Ulfric answered plainly. "He already tried to get it to leave, more than once, but lost people to it."

Saito whistled. The more heads a Hydra had, the more dangerous they became. "Didn't he try hiring a knight or two?" Louise asked.

The mercenary simply laughed at that. "Smuggling a Hydra is already a grievous crime by itself, letting it grow so close to the city? His garden starts barely outside of the city walls," Ulfric shook his head. "He fancies himself a collector of rare beasts, the man. Manticores, Gryphons, Dragons, Basilisks...more than a garden, he has a zoo of deadly species," here the man smiled, showing a large gash on his shoulder. "This one, I got this one wrestling a Satyr into its pen."

"He must have quite the influence," Louise began, "Which means he's going to pay a lot, won't he?"

"That he will," Ulfric nodded. "But the Hydra's pretty tough to anything magical, so your fancy spells might do little good, sir knight," he furrowed his brows. "What's your name, again?"

"It's Louis," Louise said, perplexed at being asked.

"Ah, I see," Ulfric said. "Well," he continued, "I can put a good word in with the Count, and you can leave rich in a few hours," Ulfric moved a hand, rubbing his fingers with each other in the universal gesture of 'money', "But I would like remuneration for putting a good word."

"What's your usual fare?" Louise asked, sighing with a bit of defeatism in her voice, before her eyes blared to light with the fire of a proven haggler.

Ulfric however was no mere young upstart mercenary, and thus the haggling battle went on for a few minutes, both sides throwing numbers at each other and words like 'risk-revenue' and 'potential future jobs' hitting and clashing against 'adventurer specialization on monster slaying' and 'mercenaries aren't really cut for this'.

In the end, a price was agreed for.

Somehow, the words 'Ulfric has joined your party' and 'Quest: Slay the Hydra' entered the back of Saito's mind.

Being an adventurer really felt, sometimes, as if Saito was playing a game.

One of those games where you had only one chance, and had to restart from the beginning if you died.
 
Or playing the original SNES version of pitfall the mayan adventure which had no saves, no passwords but was long enough game that it really needed them.
 
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