The Sparta Myth and the Far Right

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Ancient Sparta's influence is all around us, providing a litany of patron saints for spectacular last stands. There's a word for this mania in Western cultures: laconophilia, taken from Laconia, the region the Spartans hailed from. Most of us have never heard of laconophilia, even as we live in a world so dramatically shaped by it, but it has a hand in everything from the French Revolution to the British educational system to the Ivy League to the Israeli Kibbutz movement. There are at least 39 municipalities named after Sparta in America alone, and I gave up counting the number of American and Canadian high school sports teams named "the Spartans" once I hit 100 (Michigan State and San Jose State, both NCAA Division I teams, are also named after them). The very word spartan transcends the historical city-state to which it once referred; it can now refer to anyone or anything marked by strict self-denial, frugality, or the avoidance of comfort—reflecting the legend of the Spartans, rather than who they actually were.
That the legend has little to do with the real Spartans would be an academic point, but this myth has now turned malignant, with laconophilia taking on darker and ever more dangerous tones. The stylized Corinthian helmet worn by King Leonidas in 300, the 2006 hit movie mythologizing the Spartan role at the Battle of Thermopylae in 480 B.C.E., is now most often seen on T-shirts, flags, and bumper stickers above the Greek words "ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ," or molon labe, which translates to "come and take them," the Spartan king's apocryphal, defiant response to Persian ruler Xerxes's demand that the Greeks surrender their arms. For pro-gun advocates, molon labe has become a rallying cry of resistance to perceived government overreach.
This paranoid vision of a government coming to take your guns, or an alien invader coming to take your culture, has led to more troubling invocations of the Spartan myth, and not just in Anglophone countries. The Greek neo-fascist party Golden Dawn gathers each year at Thermopylae, lighting torches and chanting anti-immigrant nationalist slogans. "The message of Leonidas—molon labe (come and get it)—is as timely today as ever for everything tormenting Greece," Golden Dawn higher-up Eleftherios Synadinos, a former special forces general and a member of the European Parliament, told the assembled partisans there in 2015, just before the crowd broke out into chants of "People! Army! Nationalism!" In Italy, Alleanza Nazionale, a rebranding of the fascist party Movimento Sociale Italiano after its 1995 dissolution, has used Spartan imagery reminiscent of 300 in propaganda posters captioned "Defend your values, your civilization, your district."
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The Spartans, popular wisdom tells us, were history's greatest warriors; in fact, they lost battles frequently and decisively. We are told they dominated Greece; they barely managed to scrape a victory in the Peloponnesian Wars with wagonloads of Persian gold, and then squandered their hegemony in a single year. We hear they murdered weak or deformed children, though one of their most famous kings had a club foot. They preferred death to surrender, as the legend of the Battle of Thermopylae is supposed to show—even though 120 of them surrendered to the Athenians at Sphacteria in 425 B.C.E. They purportedly eschewed decadent wealth and luxury, even though rampant inequality contributed to the oliganthropia, the manpower shortage that eventually collapsed Spartan military might. They are assumed to have scorned personal glory and lived only for service to the city-state, despite the fact that famous Spartans commissioned poetry, statues, and even festivals in their own honor and deliberately built cults of personality. They all went through the brutal agōgē regimen of warrior training, starting from age 7—but the kings who led their armies almost never endured this trial. They are remembered for keeping Greece free from foreign influence, but in fact they allied with, and took money from, the very Persians they fought at Thermopylae.
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So this article has two main points -
1. That Spartan worship has been a thing forever, but it's recently gotten dangerous with appropriation of Spartan iconography by the alt-right and fascist groups.
2. Ancient Sparta didn't actually deserve its reputation for military prowess. The author doesn't spend as much time on this, but does tease a little about an upcoming book which presumably will go into more detail on this.
 
I think the first time I really woke up to how false the mythological vision of Laconia was, was when I sat down and read the comic Three
 
Laikadaimon was a state where a vast group of serfs and free but disenfranchised laborers supported a small leisure class who formed the core of an effective hoplite army. It benefited from the vastness of its lands in comparison to every other Hellene Polis, even Syrakousai, and the number of its people. With its manpower permanently crippled by the 465 BCE Earthquake which may have killed as many as 20,000 Spartans, Sparta relied on its remaining military capability, reputation, network of allies, and eventually, Persian gold in order to survive the immense threat posed by the Athenians. Despite showing some resilience and flexibility as a state even into the 4th century BCE, its hegemony only undermined the presumption of equality among masters which underlay the Spartiate social class, and with their slide into nothingness, the liberation of Messenia from their grasp by Thebai, and the rise of Makedon, Sparta was simply superseded. As it declined, its social structure calcified and turned into a form of self-assurance in the face of growing insignificance in a world passing it by.

When Kleomenes III thundered up the Eurotas River Valley in the late 3rd century BCE with his banner of social revolution after abolishing the Lykurgan Constitution, it was all too late for the Spartan state, which finally met its end at the hands of powers far greater and dynamic than it had ever been.
 
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For a more complete picture of how misleading the spartan myth was here is video about it:


The short of it is that most of the myths contents dates from sources centuries after Sparta declined to irrelevance, with no indications of it existing before Thermopylae. Even institutions we think of as specifically Spartan still existed to some degre or another in other city-states.
 
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Honestly the only thing really cool about Sparta is they had the oldest version of Aphrodite where she was a freaking war god (Aphrodite Areia) and was quite possibly the only non-virgin war goddess to ever appear in the Greek Pantheon.

We hear they murdered weak or deformed children, though one of their most famous kings had a club foot.
I should point out near as we can tell almost all Greek City-States had a tendency to kill weak and deformed babies.
 
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Ancient Sparta's influence is all around us, providing a litany of patron saints for spectacular last stands. There's a word for this mania in Western cultures: laconophilia, taken from Laconia, the region the Spartans hailed from. Most of us have never heard of laconophilia, even as we live in a world so dramatically shaped by it, but it has a hand in everything from the French Revolution to the British educational system to the Ivy League to the Israeli Kibbutz movement. There are at least 39 municipalities named after Sparta in America alone, and I gave up counting the number of American and Canadian high school sports teams named "the Spartans" once I hit 100 (Michigan State and San Jose State, both NCAA Division I teams, are also named after them). The very word spartan transcends the historical city-state to which it once referred; it can now refer to anyone or anything marked by strict self-denial, frugality, or the avoidance of comfort—reflecting the legend of the Spartans, rather than who they actually were.
That the legend has little to do with the real Spartans would be an academic point, but this myth has now turned malignant, with laconophilia taking on darker and ever more dangerous tones. The stylized Corinthian helmet worn by King Leonidas in 300, the 2006 hit movie mythologizing the Spartan role at the Battle of Thermopylae in 480 B.C.E., is now most often seen on T-shirts, flags, and bumper stickers above the Greek words "ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ," or molon labe, which translates to "come and take them," the Spartan king's apocryphal, defiant response to Persian ruler Xerxes's demand that the Greeks surrender their arms. For pro-gun advocates, molon labe has become a rallying cry of resistance to perceived government overreach.
This paranoid vision of a government coming to take your guns, or an alien invader coming to take your culture, has led to more troubling invocations of the Spartan myth, and not just in Anglophone countries. The Greek neo-fascist party Golden Dawn gathers each year at Thermopylae, lighting torches and chanting anti-immigrant nationalist slogans. "The message of Leonidas—molon labe (come and get it)—is as timely today as ever for everything tormenting Greece," Golden Dawn higher-up Eleftherios Synadinos, a former special forces general and a member of the European Parliament, told the assembled partisans there in 2015, just before the crowd broke out into chants of "People! Army! Nationalism!" In Italy, Alleanza Nazionale, a rebranding of the fascist party Movimento Sociale Italiano after its 1995 dissolution, has used Spartan imagery reminiscent of 300 in propaganda posters captioned "Defend your values, your civilization, your district."
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The Spartans, popular wisdom tells us, were history's greatest warriors; in fact, they lost battles frequently and decisively. We are told they dominated Greece; they barely managed to scrape a victory in the Peloponnesian Wars with wagonloads of Persian gold, and then squandered their hegemony in a single year. We hear they murdered weak or deformed children, though one of their most famous kings had a club foot. They preferred death to surrender, as the legend of the Battle of Thermopylae is supposed to show—even though 120 of them surrendered to the Athenians at Sphacteria in 425 B.C.E. They purportedly eschewed decadent wealth and luxury, even though rampant inequality contributed to the oliganthropia, the manpower shortage that eventually collapsed Spartan military might. They are assumed to have scorned personal glory and lived only for service to the city-state, despite the fact that famous Spartans commissioned poetry, statues, and even festivals in their own honor and deliberately built cults of personality. They all went through the brutal agōgē regimen of warrior training, starting from age 7—but the kings who led their armies almost never endured this trial. They are remembered for keeping Greece free from foreign influence, but in fact they allied with, and took money from, the very Persians they fought at Thermopylae.
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So this article has two main points -
1. That Spartan worship has been a thing forever, but it's recently gotten dangerous with appropriation of Spartan iconography by the alt-right and fascist groups.
2. Ancient Sparta didn't actually deserve its reputation for military prowess. The author doesn't spend as much time on this, but does tease a little about an upcoming book which presumably will go into more detail on this.
The come and take them in reference to gun control is not fascism or alt right, it's merely a defense of one of the most important rights in the constitution.
2. Yes the Spartans are overhypped and only won the war with Athens because the Persians helped them. Fuck Sparta, GO ATHENS! The first democracy!
 
The come and take them in reference to gun control is not fascism or alt right, it's merely a defense of one of the most important rights in the constitution.
2. Yes the Spartans are overhypped and only won the war with Athens because the Persians helped them. Fuck Sparta, GO ATHENS! The first democracy!

Athens is equally overhyped as the first democracy. It was extremely exclusive and could be just as destructive as any autocracy. I would bet that the first democracies were founded by various prehistoric tribes across the world that time forgot.
 
Really in general Classical Greece is not something one should aspire to be. Athens assholery and restrictive citizenship policies left them unable to build a lasting empire, Thebes was burned to the ground, Sparta became a tourist trap. There's a reason that during the Hellenistic Period that most of Greece itself was pretty much a shadow of it's former glory even as Alexander's Successor states divided up huge chunks of the world.
 
Athens is equally overhyped as the first democracy. It was extremely exclusive and could be just as destructive as any autocracy. I would bet that the first democracies were founded by various prehistoric tribes across the world that time forgot.
That's actually very debatable, you can argue that the Athenian democracy was MORE responsive to it's citizens than ANY modern democracy. Hell if Athenian's looked at America or any modern nation that called itself a democracy they'd say no they are an oligarchy. Where a small group of politicians and usually rich are the ones who get into positions of power and such. In Athens every CITIZEN (Citizen being the key word) had the same rights and all of them voted on state policy directly. In the modern day that would be like having a popular vote on whether or not we go to war, instead of leaving it to the 1% to vote or not. Now obviously women, slaves and foreigners weren't citizens so they did not get to vote. But early America also did not let women vote. If there was a modern Athens with gender equality, and no slavery but still ran the nation in the same way or similar as the past, they would be more democratic than America, France, Norway, Sweden, Finland Germany, hell anyone in the world.

Really in general Classical Greece is not something one should aspire to be. Athens assholery and restrictive citizenship policies left them unable to build a lasting empire, Thebes was burned to the ground, Sparta became a tourist trap. There's a reason that during the Hellenistic Period that most of Greece itself was pretty much a shadow of it's former glory even as Alexander's Successor states divided up huge chunks of the world.
Well Athens wasen't really an empire the Delian league was officially an "alliance" with Athens being first among equals kind of like America in NATO. And for a nation to be great it doesen't have to be good. I mean the Diadochi were all monarchies with one man rule passed down through blood. Hardly as idealistic as the dream that was Athens and it's democracy where all citizens rich or poor had an equal say and power in government.
 
The come and take them in reference to gun control is not fascism or alt right, it's merely a defense of one of the most important rights in the constitution.
2. Yes the Spartans are overhypped and only won the war with Athens because the Persians helped them. Fuck Sparta, GO ATHENS! The first democracy!

Nevermind how Molon Labe has been co-opted by the far right and alt right. But it's okay, symbols can't be coopted by shitters!
 
Not to mention the sheer ridiculousness of comparing an quote on some dudes not surrendering in battle against an enemy army to proposals by some of their fellow countrymen on what they think the body of law should look like regarding how civilian gun ownership would operate in their nation. Things in the second half of that sentence that Leonidas would have no comprehension of include "guns", "nations", "civilians", and "constitutions that aren't unchanging traditions divinely inspired by Apollo". In what possible universe could his attributed words be relevant at all... except as a shorthand for proclaiming your fellow citizens bitter enemies you are in war with?
 
Not to mention the sheer ridiculousness of comparing an quote on some dudes not surrendering in battle against an enemy army to proposals by some of their fellow countrymen on what they think the body of law should look like regarding how civilian gun ownership would operate in their nation. Things in the second half of that sentence that Leonidas would have no comprehension of include "guns", "nations", "civilians", and "constitutions that aren't unchanging traditions divinely inspired by Apollo". In what possible universe could his attributed words be relevant at all... except as a shorthand for proclaiming your fellow citizens bitter enemies you are in war with?

To be fair, to some people in the US, the Constitution is an unchanging tradition divinely inspired by The Founding Fathers, except when it gets in the way of putting the boot on minorities.
 
To be fair, to some people in the US, the Constitution is an unchanging tradition divinely inspired by The Founding Fathers, except when it gets in the way of putting the boot on minorities.
To be even more fair the unchanging and unbroken tradition of the Laws of Lycurgus were often... flexible in practice when it did not serve the interests of the Spartiatae/Homoi, but theoretically there was no process to actually change them or really abridge them or do anything at all with them. It was all just not enforcing things that would be troublesome to enforce and interpreting the oral sagas in a then modern situation (only to best meet the spirit of the divine commandments of course). Constitutions as things people collectively just write up and have legitimacy based off of people's acceptance of them is something that would be hard to grasp.
 
Come and take them they said, before being hosed down with bullets/arrows by the Feds/Persians. Kind of a shit historical precedent, don't you think?

Also Myke Cole has gotten fuckin' based since the Trump era huh.
 
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Well Athens wasen't really an empire the Delian league was officially an "alliance" with Athens being first among equals kind of like America in NATO. And for a nation to be great it doesen't have to be good. I mean the Diadochi were all monarchies with one man rule passed down through blood. Hardly as idealistic as the dream that was Athens and it's democracy where all citizens rich or poor had an equal say and power in government.
However bad America is we never demanded money from the UK and then used said money to build a Temple. And 'Citizens' is the key word there and a lot of Athens wasn't citizens, and a lot of times the richer Athenians tried to restrict citizenship.
 
However bad America is we never demanded money from the UK and then used said money to build a Temple. And 'Citizens' is the key word there and a lot of Athens wasn't citizens, and a lot of times the richer Athenians tried to restrict citizenship.

We demanded money from Mexico to build a wall and if they actually paid there's about a 1% chance it would actually go to a wall rather than corruption or lawsuits.
 
We demanded money from Mexico to build a wall and if they actually paid there's about a 1% chance it would actually go to a wall rather than corruption or lawsuits.
Yeah but Mexico ignored us because they realized it was trump being trump. When Naxos tried to withdraw from the league they got the shit kick out of them, had their fleet, walls and vote in the league taken away and still had to pay.
 
Nevermind how Molon Labe has been co-opted by the far right and alt right. But it's okay, symbols can't be coopted by shitters!
So? The Nazis championed animal rights, does this mean it's ok to beat my cat to death cause I'm annoyed? An armed citizenry is useful for a free nation, only wannabe tyrants want to disarm people and make it harder for them to resist the governments enforcers.

Not to mention the sheer ridiculousness of comparing an quote on some dudes not surrendering in battle against an enemy army to proposals by some of their fellow countrymen on what they think the body of law should look like regarding how civilian gun ownership would operate in their nation. Things in the second half of that sentence that Leonidas would have no comprehension of include "guns", "nations", "civilians", and "constitutions that aren't unchanging traditions divinely inspired by Apollo". In what possible universe could his attributed words be relevant at all... except as a shorthand for proclaiming your fellow citizens bitter enemies you are in war with?
Guns weren't invented yet, so your argument makes no sense. Also the Ancient Greeks had a concept of nations, nations are just a collection of people banded together who have a government and territory.

However bad America is we never demanded money from the UK and then used said money to build a Temple. And 'Citizens' is the key word there and a lot of Athens wasn't citizens, and a lot of times the richer Athenians tried to restrict citizenship.
We should do that though. But yeah if you think gods are active and that building temples and praising them will help it would be a strategic asset to have a pious nation.

Yeah but Mexico ignored us because they realized it was trump being trump. When Naxos tried to withdraw from the league they got the shit kick out of them, had their fleet, walls and vote in the league taken away and still had to pay.
To be fair, the US has done coups on nations that tried to go socialist. Also if during the 50's or 60's West Germany decided to pull out of NATO, I don't think it'd go over well with them, since even to this day we have thousands of troops there we could easily decapitate their government and put down it's military and occupy them. Modern Germany is basically a vassal state.
 
The Greeks had inter- and even supra- Polis identities but that very much did not mean that there was a Hellenic nationalist movement. Take Taras, the Tarantines where not just fellow Dorian speakers of the Spartans, but directly founded by Laconic settlers. The Spartans and Tarantines even militarially aided each other beacon of Gondor style. And yet at no point was Lacedaemonian citizenry handed out en masse to their nephews in Italy, even when Sparta's own internal pool was shrinking. How can you have a nation when the sacred tribal brotherhood of the Poleis would not bear the infringement of your own direct colonists, let alone your vaguely related neighbors?
 
The problem with this is that it's always about ensuring that white people have access to firearms. Whenever blacks start arming themselves in large number, such as in the 1960's and 70's, suddenly gun control looks a lot better to the same people who like shouting Molon Labe and accusing Obama of being a kenyan muslim.
 
The problem with this is that it's always about ensuring that white people have access to firearms. Whenever blacks start arming themselves in large number, such as in the 1960's and 70's, suddenly gun control looks a lot better to the same people who like shouting Molon Labe and accusing Obama of being a kenyan muslim.

Actually "Molon Labe" suddenly seems a lot less like a non sequitur now

"The helots were invited by a proclamation to pick out those of their number who claimed to have most distinguished themselves against the enemy, in order that they might receive their freedom; the object being to test them, as it was thought that the first to claim their freedom would be the most high spirited and the most apt to rebel. As many as two thousand were selected accordingly, who crowned themselves and went round the temples, rejoicing in their new freedom. The Spartans, however, soon afterwards did away with them, and no one ever knew how each of them perished."

Work for us, fight in our wars, die for us. And oh yeah we can't have any helot veterans running around knowing which end of the spear is which so we're just going to extralegally terrorize you until our paranoia is satisfied. Only the slaveowners of Lacedaemon are allowed to defend their rights to arms and to join the brotherhood of warriors, helots are just tools and have no such rights.
 
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