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The Slave Who Makes Free: An Anakin Skywalker Quest

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Aura said:
I'm not saying there aren't good reasons to choose other choices over Palps, but the primary reason everyone seems to be choosing against Palps is mostly the foreknowledge. Sure, we might want to solve it ourselves, but we would probably discuss the matter with the most prominent politician we know absent that.
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The option isn't phrased like that, it's phrased like "father figure I never had, please make all my problems magically go away, you're the only one who can" (only slight hyperbole).
 
Aura said:
I'm not saying there aren't good reasons to choose other choices over Palps, but the primary reason everyone seems to be choosing against Palps is mostly the foreknowledge. Sure, we might want to solve it ourselves, but we would probably discuss the matter with the most prominent politician we know absent that.
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I was pretty explicit, when I laid out my plan, that my primary motivation was the precedent it would set, vis-a-vis the Jedi, not foreshadowing, but I do understand that other people have said their motivation is more rooted in meta-knowledge.
 
[X] Plan: It's Never Wrong to Help People
-[X] Advocate for the petition to defy the Banking Clan and deploy the AgriCorps.
A dangerous gamble, but one that makes it clear which side the Jedi are on.
-[X] Find out what's happening with the Council.
How has the Order's leadership become so paralyzed?
-[X] Check in on your friends.
This is the worst time for their bonds to be strained.

[X]Plan: Comprehensive Action
-[X] Find out what's happening with the Council.
-[X] Advocate for the petition to defy the Banking Clan and deploy the AgriCorps.
-[X] Make contact with potential allies in the Senate.
-[X] Check in on your friends.
 
Since votings open now, I'd still like to go with the plan I proposed and It's Never Wrong to Help People also seems like a good idea.

For anyone who missed it, here's the post where I originally laid out my plan and my reasoning for it.

[X]Plan: Comprehensive Action
-[X] Find out what's happening with the Council.
-[X] Advocate for the petition to defy the Banking Clan and deploy the AgriCorps.
-[X] Make contact with potential allies in the Senate.
-[X] Check in on your friends.

[x] Plan: It's Never Wrong to Help People
-[x] Advocate for the petition to defy the Banking Clan and deploy the AgriCorps.
-[x] Find out what's happening with the Council.
-[x] Check in on your friends.

Edit: Whoops, forgot the actual quote I meant to include. Take 2.
Epsilon Rose said:
After some thought, I have a plan I'd like to propose:

[]Plan: Comprehensive Action
-[] Find out what's happening with the Council.
-[] Advocate for the petition to defy the Banking Clan and deploy the AgriCorps.
-[] Make contact with potential allies in the Senate.
-[] Check in on your friends.

Before I get go over the actions that are part of the plan, I want to start with the ones that aren't, and why they didn't make the cut.



I'll admit that this one seemed tempting at first. It sounds like Yularen is competent and exposing corruption is always fun. The problem is we're on a deadline and I'm not sure if exposing the IGBC's corruption or the corruption of their pet senators could actually accomplish anything. The two main things it could could uncover are that the intergalactic business cartel is corrupt and, maybe, that they were backing the Huk, but everyone already knows the former—we've already seen how much that revelation has helped with the prosecuting the Trade Federation—and Grievous seems to already have evidence for the latter.

Beyond that, the best case impact for this is a few senators get removed, and then immediately replaced by new senators who were chosen by the same cartel. The more likely outcome is that any prosecution gets tied up by the IGBC's lawyers for far longer than we can afford, given that even a short trial would take months or years.



I do want to continue pushing for Grievous to work with us and I think the call with Padmé did a good job of sowing the seeds for that relationship. Now we need to water them and Grievous has repeatedly made it clear that what he cares about is concrete actions and physical results. We can continue to talk at him all we want, but if he doesn't see us actually doing something, we're just going to come off as core worlders.

If we had more free stress I might include this anyways, but as things stand I think other options will accomplish this goal better and we just need to trust that the groundwork we've already laid will be enough.



We could add this for free (in terms of stress), but I think we're actively better off not going to Palpatine at this point and it has nothing to do with him being a Sith—that's another reason not to go to him, but it's not the one I think is important—The real issue is the precedent it sets. Namely, it sets the precedent that the Jedi are fully an arm of the Senate, that they can be ordered by the Senate, and that weird injunctions saying "You can't help people" are in some way valid, even if this particular injunction is ruled as improper. We don't want that precedent.

We need to make it clear that the Jedi are galactic peacekeepers and protectors and that this goes beyond politics. We'll work with the Senate, of course, but at the end of the day, what we actually care about is preserving the lives of sentients across the galaxy and if the Senate's politics gets in the way of that, then we will go around the Senate and they can catch up with us. Paperwork can be filed after the fact and back dated, people can't be unkilled.

With that covered, on to the actions I'm actually recommending:



This is the central point of Plan: Comprehensive Action and it informs all of the other choices. First and foremost, this sets the precedent we want. Namely, it demonstrates that the Jedi will act. Our mission is to help people and we're not even going to pretend corporate profits might be a legitimate consideration to weigh against that goal. We might be seen as defenders of the Republic, but we do that in service of helping people, not because the current government is our ultimate goal.

Beyond setting a precedent, this is also the only action that directly addresses all of our other concerns. If the AgriCorps is on the ground they are materially helping Kalee and saving lives. If there are Jedi on the ground they can start collecting evidence and witnessing what happened, especially if Vos is among them. If we are there in person, and in force, we are demonstrating to Grievous that we're not all talk and that, regardless of what the Senate does, our word is good and we are his allies. And if we do all that while telling the IGBC where to shove their injunction, then we are getting the Jedi into the habit of helping people via mass actions, rather than acting like a bunch of knights errant or the Senate's special forces.



If we're going to push for this kind of action, we need to do it as the Jedi as a whole, not just Anakin and his friends charging out into the black. That means we need to understand where the council is coming from and why they're deadlocked, so we can try to address their concerns and present our case as working with them, towards goals they already said they share, rather than looking like we're trying to strong arm them. Also, as much as we might not like them, the Jedi Masters generally aren't stupid people. Listening to their concerns is a good way to double check our own plans and make sure we don't accidentally shoot ourselves in the foot or miss something that could help.




Going to Padmé's contacts in the Senate serves a few purposes. In the long term it builds connections with people we'll need to know if we want to try and change the galaxy on a grander scale than the small groups we can help using our own two hands. More immediately, ignoring the injunction is going to create a lot of political waves that could become problematic. Establishing allies in the Senate, and giving them a heads up on what we're about to do, will let them prepare and act as political chaff or spin things as necessary.

If this whole thing is a trap, then having prepared allies in the senate is how we defuse the trap before springing it.



This last action isn't for our overall goals, it's for Anakin. It's easy to get so wrapped up in galactic politics and being a hero that you lose sight of being a person and what people actually need. Maintaining ties to our peers can help to anchor us in the long run and ensure we have a healthy support network when we, inevitably, need it. It also helps to ensure we'll have internal backing when we try to address the flaws in the Jedi order and that we won't just come off as an egotistical teen and outsider. We'll be more of a known quantity, in a good way.


Also, @Kirook I have a quick technical question, if you don't mind. Since this is a relatively complex and important vote, is there any chance I could convince you to switch the tally to Instant Runoff, rather than Simple Majority? It would give voters a bit more of an opportunity to express the strength of their preferences and, if nothing else, it might be interesting to see the results it produces.

If you don't want to do that, would you mind switching it from Divide by Line to Divide by Block? If I understand things correctly, that shouldn't really change the outcome, but it would make it so the results are grouped by plan, rather than each individual action in every plan acting as a separate vote. I'm mostly asking because Divide by Line has made some of the past plan votes a little bit hard to read.
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[X] Plan: Comprehensive Action

There not enough hours in the day to include the republic intelligence (which would be great otherwise). A pity, but overworking too much is not great either.
 
[X] Plan Trust
-[X] Make contact with potential allies in the Senate.
-[X] Find out what's happening with the Council.
-[X] Check in on your friends.
-[X] Request help from the Chancellor.

Trust in Padme. Trust in the Council. Trust in our Friends. Trust in Papa.
 
[X] Plan Friends And Allies
-[X] Make contact with potential allies in the Senate.
-[X] Advocate for the petition to defy the Banking Clan and deploy the AgriCorps.
-[X] Check in on your friends.
-[X] Request help from the Chancellor.
 
[X] Plan Investigative Action
-[X] Make contact with potential allies in the Senate.
-[X] Link up with the Senate Intelligence Division.
-[X] Find out what's happening with the Council.
-[X] Check in on your friends.

I like investigation scenes.

[X] Plan: Comprehensive Action
 
Epsilon Rose said:
What is the source for this? I know the IGBC is a major bank, but I don't think I've seen anything suggesting it's the bank of last resort or the official/unofficial central bank and the idea that it could be seems at odds with the fact that it sided with the Sepratists, during the Clone Wars, and wasn't able to immediately cripple the Republic, or at the very least impose significantly more financial hardship than what we saw.
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The thing about being a bank of last resort is that they are also the only bank the government will take out a loan from. So the fact that the senate when it went to go take out a loan for more clones was dicussing the issue with the IGNC immediately tells us that it is the bank of last resort. That said, it was technically several major banks, with one other major bank used as banks of last resort including the Bank of the Core. Because the Republic decided to be stupid and not run an actual Republic Bank.

As for which side they took? They "offically" were neutral just like the Trade Federation, Techno-Union, and several other corporations. In reality, the people at the top were heavily CIS favoring just like those other "neutral" corporations. resulted in the removal of the governing board when it came to light to be replaced by Rush Clovis. Clovis was only able to be put in said position due to help from Dooku, something Dooku used to force Clovis to jack up interest rates for the Republic and let CIS troops be present on Muunalist. Unfortunately for everyone, as you might expect this was done to give Sidious an excuse to nationalize the CIS.
 
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[x] Plan: Comprehensive Action

I'll echo the other supporters- this is good. It targets our known and potential allies in the Senate and the Jedi Order in a reasonably effective way, and I think that is in character for our iteration of Anakin at this point. We're still impulsive, but in a way where that has sort of made headway with the Jedi, and where they've been willing to meet us.... maybe not halfway, but at least a quarter of the way, and that's already better than the relationship in Legends/canon (alternately "fuck off" and "we don't give a flying fuck as long as you somehow fulfill the prophecy" depending on which author had the stylus in 2005). There's a built-in stress gain in theory, but we also went to Naboo with no expectations in that regard and ended up with a net -1 stress, so who can say what the Force has in store for us?

Also this is what Padme would want and gosh isn't she so smart and cool and confident and pretty

Also, cards on the table: I sort of think Grievous getting turned into a proto-Vader is still within the flapping of this butterfly's wings, and I want to manage the questers' expectations in that regard, but if we keep at this we might at least end up with him in a sort of third camp during the Clone Wars, rather than one of the most notorious Jedi killers/war criminals the Separatists could wield. A Grievous who distrusts the Republic but also has a real respect for the Jedi (particularly Obi-Wan Kenobi) is a tantalizing possibility here
 
Daedwartin said:
The thing about being a bank of last resort is that they are also the only bank the government will take out a loan from. So the fact that the senate when it went to go take out a loan for more clones was dicussing the issue with the IGNC immediately tells us that it is the bank of last resort. That said, it was technically several major banks, with one other major bank used as banks of last resort including the Bank of the Core. Because the Republic decided to be stupid and not run an actual Republic Bank.
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The fact that the government was considering taking loans from them does not mean, in and of itself, that they're the bank of last resort or that they could freeze all the accounts of a group like the Jedi. You said it yourself, multiple banks were being discussed, which suggests the Republic's relationship with private sources of credit is very different from that of a modern country and the concept of a "Bank of Last Resort" may not even make sense in the SW universe.

Daedwartin said:
As for which side they took? They "offically" were neutral just like the Trade Federation, Techno-Union, and several other corporations. In reality, the people at the top were heavily CIS favoring just like those other "neutral" corporations. resulted in the removal of the governing board when it came to light to be replaced by Rush Clovis. Clovis was only able to be put in said position due to help from Dooku, something Dooku used to force Clovis to jack up interest rates for the Republic and let CIS troops be present on Muunalist. Unfortunately for everyone, as you might expect this was done to give Sidious an excuse to nationalize the CIS.
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That doesn't actually help your position?
 
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[X] Plan: Fortune Favours the Bold (And informed)
-[X] Link up with the Senate Intelligence Division.
-[X] Advocate for the petition to defy the Banking Clan and deploy the AgriCorps.
-[X] Check in on your friends.
-[X] Request help from the Chancellor.

[X] Plan Friends And Allies
[X] Plan: Engaging with the Premise

Gonna level with folks here; Sheev's gonna get a hook in no matter what the moment he hears about anakin's efforts on the subject. There's no avoiding the matter, especially since he's... you know, the chancellor.
 
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[x] Link up with the Senate Intelligence Division.
[x] Advocate for the petition to defy the Banking Clan and deploy the AgriCorps.
[x] Request help from the Chancellor
 
[X] Plan: The Naboo Pact
-[X] Make contact with potential allies in the Senate.
-[X] Link up with the Senate Intelligence Division.
-[X] Keep trying to persuade Grievous to work with Naboo.
 
[X] Plan We Ball!
-[X] Make contact with potential allies in the Senate.
-[X] Link up with the Senate Intelligence Division.
-[X] Advocate for the petition to defy the Banking Clan and deploy the AgriCorps.
-[X] Find out what's happening with the Council.
-[X] Check in on your friends.

I don't think anyone posted the full plan yet. Yeah, I'm willing to eat a couple stress points to go all out. Just leaves off Grievous, trust him to do his own thing when we're covering so much already.
 
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