- Location
- Six feet under
I'm pretty sure elves reproduce much more slowly than men, and dwarves are somewhere in the middle. But I'm not sure about the dwarves.
The Silmarillion Quest
- Thread starter Telamon
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I'm pretty sure elves reproduce much more slowly than men, and dwarves are somewhere in the middle. But I'm not sure about the dwarves.
- Location
- Texas
Dwarves and Elves reproduce slower than Men, with Elves reproducing slowest of all. In Three Ages (well over 6,500 years), the House of Finwe went through seven generations. Even the incredibly long-lived Númenoreans went faster, and this can be seen by comparing the houses of the brothers Elros and Elrond over the Second and Third Ages. Elros' heirs, many of whom lived for centuries, went through 58 generations of Kings in Númenor and Gondor combined.
In that time, Elrond had his sons, Elladan and Elrohir, and his daughter Arwen.
That's it.
In the same time, Khazâd-Dum went through roughly 60 kings before it's fall, showing the average dwarven lifespan to be roughly equal to that of a Númenorean king — some 400 to 500 years.
And I'm going to go out on a limb and say we all know the lifespan of your average Men.
- Location
- Academy City
- Pronouns
- They
More importantly, elves don't have kids during wartime; their actual rate of childbirth is somewhat academic, since outside of extremely peaceful bits of the seige and irrelevant-to-combat-reserves places like Gondolin and Doriath, they won't be having nay.
- Location
- New York
[X] Durin's Folk
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Yeah. Meanwhile, dwarves are both slow to gain experience and slower to reproduce, making going outside even more of a hazard. They're just not cost-effective for a forum that's gonna want to get into the action.
[X] The House of Bëor
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KnightofTempest
The Man who would be King
- Location
- Chicago
The Shaft.
Seriously like the largest dwarf populations were in the Blue Mountains on the Beleriand side of the range. A lot of their cities got flooded when the Valar sunk Balariand and the remnants of those kingdoms entered a slow decline.
- Location
- Texas
Well, the ones who fought Melkor lost their homes trying to murder elves, so they got nothing. The survivors of Nogrod and Belegost fled to Khazâd-Dum, which was the 'Numenor' of the dwarves. Much of the Dwarven population that remained in Beleriand died in the War of Wrath, along with the majority of the men and elves of that land. The elvish survivors went across the sea or to Eregion and Lorien, the Men became the Numenoreans, and the Dwarves went to Khazâd-Dum.
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KnightofTempest
The Man who would be King
- Location
- Chicago
That's wrong.
Belegost and Nogrod were flooded when the Valar Sunk Beleriand. The Elves had nothing to do with their decline. Even then they still partially stood into the second age as the dwarves there migrated east in waves, not all at once.
Even then some of the outlying holds still had population into the third age.
ColdGoldLazarus
Contrary Quester, Spreadsheet Queen, Pink Flamingo
- Location
- Challenger Deep
- Pronouns
- She/Her
[X] The House of Bëor
- Location
- Texas
You are correct — they were ruined in the War of the Dwarves and Elves, when Beren Erchamion slew the entirety of the Host of Nogrod and took the Nauglamír from them, throwing the rest of their treasures into the sea. Depopulated and beggared, they ceased to be a meaningful force in Beleriand ever after. Many trickled eastward to Khazâd-Dum until the War of Wrath prompted a full-scale migration.
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And on that note, it is now 12:00 where I am.
[X] The House of Bëor wins 45 to 43 over [] Durin's Folk
One of the closest and most hotly contested votes I've seen across all my Quests, and it was decided in the last minutes of the vote.
Update will be forthcoming.
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- He/Him
Mmm, I hope that those whose option didn't win stay. So many came, and the chargen alone has gone farther than several quests.
Though I'll always wonder what could have been with the character of Feanor at our fingertips, or the dark might of the hordes of Angband moving before our shadowed gaze.
Though I'll always wonder what could have been with the character of Feanor at our fingertips, or the dark might of the hordes of Angband moving before our shadowed gaze.
Fezzes
Knight of King Stannis Baratheon
- Location
- Sydney, Australia
Yeah, that's one of the sucky bits of chargen. I always imagine what would've been different and how our choices would've changed if we picked another option. I take it as a sign that I'd be okay with any of them, rather than a sign that I'm sad something lost.
- Location
- Germany
Too late for me.
Not that one more vote for Feanor would have changed anything.
Not that one more vote for Feanor would have changed anything.
FieryMatter
Fire and Fiery
- Location
- Beyond the Sunset Sea
This quest is starting to remind me of The Kings of Men three years ago. Please don't die. Please don't die. Please don't die.
And it does seem like the LoTR/Sil fandom is very large on SV, and this quest is very interesting.
Yeah I suppose, though the number of choices means that most of them would be nothing but what-ifs anyway.
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As someone who knows little to nothing of the House of Bëor, would anyone be willing to give a quick and dirty rundown on them?
Deadly Snark
Tryhard As Fuck
The House of Beor were the First House of the Edain who crossed over into Beleriand.
They were the first to encounter the Noldor, and forged an instand and profound friendship with Finrod. Who as the Eldest Son of Feanor and Fingolfin's little brother Finarfin.
Finrod convinced Noldor and the Sindar Leadership to treat the House of Beor and all the House of Edain who followed after them, if not with respect then at least with tolerance. And then he took them under his protection and taught them the wisdom, songs and crafts of the Noldor. The First Generation of the Heroes of Beor repaired that trust by being the First Men to draw their swords and throw themselves whole hardheartedly into the war against Morgoth.
The House would then go on to produce some of the wisest men and women in the history of Arda. Though they were not the almost godlike warriors of the House of Hador.
When Morgoth broke the Siege, alongside the Men of Hador, the House of Beor were the rearguard that saved the hosts of the Eldar. Barahir of Beor personally led a charge to rescue a pinned down Finrod from death.
Afterwards the Lands of the House suffered the brunt of Morgoth's assault and its people were scattered. Barahmir led a small band of men and waged guerilla war against the forces of the Enemy. In this crucible, was forged the greatest hero of their line, Beren.
Morgoth eventually tracked down the band and killed everyone but Beren. He would survive and continue to carry out a One Man Guerilla war against Morgoth's forces with only the help of the creatures of the land. Earning himself a bounty that was as impressive as the ones Morgoth had put on the Elven High Kings. Eventually he would find himself in the Court of Thingol High King of the Sindar and fall in mutual love with Princess Luthien.
Beren, Luthien and Finrod would then embark on what is essentially a suicide mission, sneaking into Morgoth's fortress. In doing so, they managed to finally steal one of the Silmarills and escape with it. Which became a heirloom of the Doriath Royal Family.
Generations later, Beren and Luthien's Granddaughter would escape from the forces of the Sons of Feanor during the second Kinslaying with said Silmarill, and gift it to her Husband Earendil. He then used said Silmarill to sail to Valinor, and in doing so brought Salvation to all of Middle-Earth.
Also, both Tuor and Hurin's mothers were of House Beor. Of the refugees from Morgoth's conquests. Meaning Earendil also descends from this House.
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The Fëanorians would've been an absolute train wreck, and from my pov the only worse faction to play would've been the literally evil one. Because their oath leaves them little room to work with, and well... let's just say they have independent actions for a very good reason, which is an issue when some of the individuals in question are perfectly willing to take actions that involve forcibly marrying someone to gain access to her father's army.