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The Shyish Student (An Amethyst Apprentice in Hogwarts) [Warhammer Fantasy/Harry Potter]

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Gabriel_TFA said:
That just reminds that there was mention about spell that makes flames cold or basically harmless. And there was one witch who went on pyre 3 times because she liked the feeling. She used the spell every time.
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That was Wendelin the weird, and was mentioned in one of Harry's books while he tried to finish his homework for summer regarding the subject history of magic.

Needless to say, the empire of man is more thorough than that, and, prior to tie the suspected witch at the stake, a long and excruciatingly painful session of torture follows in order to determine whether the individual is guilty or not, so I suspect that our dear wendelyn wouldn't have enjoyed the ministrations of the empire's veteran witch hunters .

Besides, they actually have countermeasures for that eventuality. A very famous witch hunter experienced in dealing with vampires, Alberich von Korden, who is feared as well as respected in settlements across the Vale of Darkness, had a similar problem when he hunted down and tried a notorious witch known only as the Grey Hag in Gorstanford. Tied to a stake in the town square, the witch was sentenced to be burned alive with von Korden lighting the fire beneath her himself. However, instead of burning the witch, the fires spread away from her as she laughed with the crackling fires beneath her echoing her laughter. As the buildings on the periphery of the square started to catch fire, Gorstanford and von Korden were only saved by the quick actions of Bennec Sootson, who quickly primed and shot the great cannon Hammer of the Witches (which he was repairing at the time) and killed the Grey Hag.

Now, considering that Alberich became a notorious figure in Sylvania after being reassigned there by Emperor Karl Franz himself, where he has worked tirelessly against the evil denizens of that land for years, is likely that Zagreus, who is from stirland, has heard of him.

Among Von Korden's many exploits, a very noteworthy one is shooting the Templehof Vargheist through the eye with a silver bullet and hauling its corpse to the town bonfire. He has three confirmed Vampire kills to his name and has taken their heads as trophies to prove his skill, claiming that he will add Mannfred's own skull to the tally before the year is out.

Besides, he is unusual for a witch hunter in that he has won allies from the White Order of Templehof – a trio of eccentric wizards based to the east of the Vale who see the Witch Hunter as a powerful force for good, and have rewarded him with a magical ring that can drive back the creatures of darkness. Therefore, it's possible that Zagreus would respect him, as witch hunters aren't the most approachable of people, and if this one is capable of trusting wizards, which is a rarity among witch hunters, then maybe some of Zagreus' PTSD would be alleviated a bit, knowing that this witch hunter isn't as trigger happy as the rest when it comes to magic, or at least, the kind of magic sanctioned by the empire.
Keep in mind that although witch hunters and wizards are natural enemies, and bitter rivals, they are expected to work together in the defense of the empire.

You know, I would like very much to have the Hogwarts students get to know about the history of the Grey Hag Von Korden blew to pieces,to see them react at how "defenseless" muggles really are, and that the wizards should keep themselves from pissing them off too much /, at least the ones from warhammer fantasy, since, according to their creed, there is no kill like overkill.


Sebazu said:
Hermione morality is basically "If I feel like it."
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Wasn't there a fanfic that explored this? I think it was called "The seventh Horrcrux", by Emerald Ashes, which is about Voldemort 's piece of soul inside harry's scar and Harry personalities merging together. I think it was mentioned that harrymort was slightly shocked at Hermione's ocasional ruthlessness, and argued that the reason Hermione is normally a stickler to the rules, is because she doesn't really have a moral compass, and that for her, all rules have objectively the same value, so the moment she began to break some of them, the more harmless ones, it quickly escalated.

Its tv tropes page puts it rather nicely.
Harry believes that much of the reason Hermione tends to do incredibly illegal things despite being the most law-abiding of the group is that Hermione thinks all rules are equally important—that is to say, she considers "don't cheat on your test" to be as serious as "don't kidnap and try to murder somebody." Consequently, she's very difficult to push into doing anything "against the rules", but once you have pushed her to do that, she has no restraints on what she'll do next.
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Nicholas said:
Salztpyre is actually incredibly lenient for a Witch Hunter. He insisted on thoroughly investigating Sienna and brought her to Ubersreik to stand trial because he knew she'd never get a fair trial otherwise. Most Witch Hunters would have simply put Sienna to the pyre the moment the moment they caught her, let alone putting her on trial and even then a fair trial. And that's not getting into his interactions with the others, or with Sienna after the fighting starts. But there's plenty of hints throughout both games that his unyielding Sigmarism is a (well-crafted) front.
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Oh I already know that, it's only that Hermione, and almost everyone in harry potter in general, from my point of view, made a lot of assumptions about a person's character based on first impression, and rarely deviates from their original line of thinking. And Victor Salztpyre is the kind of person Hermione (and harry, and Ron) would have a poor opinion of, based solely on his looks, and superficial personality traits, like the fact that he isn't specially good looking, and harry has a tendency to disparage people who he doesn't see as attractive (okay, most of times this happens, their personalities also influence the way he sees them , like Crabbe and Goyle, but it's true that he often addresses Slytherins in general, even the ones he hasn't interacted with, in very unflattering terms). And although Hermione is a little better in that regard, because it would be a little hypocritical for her part of she judged people by their looks (she wasn't precisely a paragon of beauty until her fourth year, when she got rid of her squirrel teeth and she combed her hair a little), but when she makes up her mind about a certain topic, it's impossible to sway her.

Anyway, Victor Salztpyre is the kind of person Hermione, Harry and Ron would love to hate much like Snape,, with his high-pitched and nasal voice, his occasional outbursts, when he screams the name of Sigmar in lines like this
"By Sigmar, the Hammer, AND the Empire I judge you all!"
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And the fact that, in their eyes, he is a self-righteous religious zealot that hates magic and doesn't let anything stand in his way when it comes to fulfilling his mission (technically is all true, but that's part of Victor's charm) , which would have made Victor, should have been present at Hogwarts during any of Harry 's formative years, a prime suspect of whatever scheme is taking place within school grounds.

And the title of his job, witch hunter, would put the golden trio on guard against him immediately, because unless given context, they would think that Victor spends his life dragging innocent wizarding children to the pyre to burn into ashes, without realizing that, yes, Victor has done some things morally reprehensible in his life according to our society standards , but they also ignore all the good that Victor, in his job as a hunter of dark forces, has done for the empire 's welfare, and the things he has stood against would make death eaters piss on their robes.

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In short, Victor acts like a hardassed witch hunter because that's how he's expected to, he's still a zealot for Sigmar but there are lines he does not cross and some rules he's willing to bend.
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You know, I see a certain parallels between Snape and Salztpyre in that regard. After all, both are grim men whose actions are motivated by their sense of duty, and they have trouble when it comes to interact with other people in a way that isn't antagonistic, because both are socially awkward . And another thing they have in common is that they aren't precisely dashing.

However, the main difference is that, whereas Snape is a bastard at his core, even if he shows, from time to time, certain redeeming qualities , Victor Salztpyre, on the other hand, although harsh and strict, and more often than not he throws scathing remarks, he treats everyone fairly.

Dang, now I want to know what would happen if it was Victor Salztpyre the one who taught potions at Hogwarts, instead of Snape, you know, to see how he would interact with the students, leaving aside the fact that he would see them as unsanctioned witches, I already know that, if only because I wonder if both Salztpyre and Snape teaching methods would be completely different, or surprisingly similar.

I mean, whereas Snape almost always speaks in a soft and whispering tone that hides his pettiness and sheer bitchiness, Victor, on the other hand, almost always talks like he has a horn in his throat, yelling and screaming like he was throwing a fit, at least for what I remember of the videos I have watched. His lines of dialogue are also something else entirely, and I don't know who would Neville fear more, wether Snape or Salztpyre.

I know that muggles can't brew magical potions, but honestly? Snape isn't that helpful in class. He just writes the instructions in a chalkboard, tells the students that they can start brewing the potion, and then proceeds to throw snide remarks and cutting sneers to everyone that doesn't live up to his standards, specially harry. Victor would be able to do the exact same thing, although I am not sure if he would encourage the students to improve, or demean them even more with his over-the-top battlecries and name-calling them as witches.

"Greetings, foul witches not sanctioned by the glorious Empire of Man, I am Victor Salztpyre, and due to an unfortunate set of circumstances that have affected the wellbeing of your current potions teacher, namely that I shooted him several times with my pistols, after he tried to cast a hex on me, he will be confined to bed during an uncertain amount of time."

"Normally, I would have refused your headmaster request of taking your professor place until he gets better as a compensation for all the troubles my unexpected, and rest assured, unintended arrival in this den of hedge magic has caused, and then proceeded to raze it to the ground with all of you inside."

"However, a priest of Morr that has found himself under the same predictament as I has vouched for your non corruption, so I shall give you a chance to prove me that you don't deserve to be purged by the holy flames of our lord and savior Sigmar ".

"So, I understand that your teacher simply wrote the instructions you have to follow in this cardboard, and then proceeded to grade the potions brewed according to your level of skill. I will do the same, begin now".
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"LONGBOTTOM, THIS POTION IS OUTRAGEOUS!!"
"NEVER IN ALL MY YEARS I HAVE SEEN SUCH A POORLY BREWED CONCOCTION!!"
"REPENT!! REPENT!! REPEEEENT!!!!!"
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MrHobbit said:
I don't believe you.
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You don't believe that Hermione is a self-insert? Because as @SinisterPorpoise posted above, Rowling absolutely intended Hermione as an insert for herself and Ron for her ex that, at the time, she was mad at but still kinda had feelings for, hence why Hermione spends the first several books figuratively bashing Ron over the head before suddenly they're bonded lovers at the end.

If what you don't believe is that we wish we were kidding that Hermione is a self-insert, well... there is a teeny tiny possibility that Rowling might have given her a better character arc if her and Ron weren't meant as stand-ins for her marital troubles.
 
Nicholas said:
You don't believe that Hermione is a self-insert? Because as @SinisterPorpoise posted above, Rowling absolutely intended Hermione as an insert for herself and Ron for her ex that, at the time, she was mad at but still kinda had feelings for, hence why Hermione spends the first several books figuratively bashing Ron over the head before suddenly they're bonded lovers at the end.

If what you don't believe is that we wish we were kidding that Hermione is a self-insert, well... there is a teeny tiny possibility that Rowling might have given her a better character arc if her and Ron weren't meant as stand-ins for her marital troubles.
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Basing character on yourself and straight up self inserting yourself are two different things.
 
Gabriel_TFA said:
Basing character on yourself and straight up self inserting yourself are two different things.
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That reminds me a bit of the fact that ash Ketchum, who is the protagonist and main character in the pokemon anime (well, he was until now 😭. Goodbye ash, I'll miss you, you dingus ), is based on the creator of the pokemon franchise, Satoshi tajiri, to the point that ash's original game in Japanese is also Satoshi.

I am not sure wether this would be considered basing character on yourself or straight up self inserting yourself as a character, what is the difference anyway?

Or, to put another example, Conan the Barbarian was heavily based on his creator, RoberT E. Howard (yes, bobby, don't try to deny it, we know it's true).
 
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Wait, now that I'm thinking about it. I'm actually surprised that execution by ca(n)non isn't a more common thing in the empire, like Imperials usually like to be both thorough and showy when killing people after all (see hell-storm rockets or pidgeon bombs) is it because of their gunpowder supplies? I would think that if the east India company could do it on a similar tech level and state size that Sigmars Holy Empire couldn't?
 
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There is a Cannon called the Hammer of the Witches. Here is the story behind it.

"The Great Cannon earned its name during the Gorstanford Fire of 2502 IC, that infamous year when a young Alberich von Korden hunted down and tried a notorious witch known only as the Grey Hag. Tied to a stake in the town square, the witch was sentenced to be burned alive. The fires beneath her were lit by von Korden's own torch, but to the horror of the throng that had assembled to watch the execution, the cursed woman did not burn. Instead, she cackled louder and louder, the crackling fires beneath her echoing her laughter. As the shrieks reached a crescendo, the flames leaped out like living things, igniting the dry thatch of the buildings around the periphery of the square. Within minutes, Gorstanford burned, it's people fleeing in panic. The Grey Hag remained untouched, laughing hysterically in the center of the inferno.

The disaster was only contained when an Imperial Great Cannon, under repair in the town's smithy, was hastily primed, stuffed with the nearest pile of metal (a bucket of horseshoes), and fired. The blacksmith, Bennec Sootson, claims that Sigmar was with him that day, for the cannon held true and the improvised grapeshot blasted the witch apart in a violent explosion of gore."

edit. Ah sorry, I did not read the comments above. somebody already mentioned it.
 
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16 characters said:
see hell-storm rockets or pidgeon bombs)
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The thing about pigeon bombs, is that, for what I've been reading, although the idea of training a bird to deliver an explosive device into the heart of the enemy before returning safely was pretty attractive, when put into practice, it was easier said than done, as the first experiments would testify.

Fact is, pigeons are dumb, and small, and if the attempts at training them didn't fail because the original bombs proved to be too heavy, which resulted in the overloaded pigeons plummeting to the street before exploding, then was because some pigeons simply flew off and exploded in the air, while others, obeying their homing instincts returned the bomb to their rooftop coops, which then proceeded to be blown sky-high.

In the end, the engineers Karl Herstel and Stefan Wenckle, the ones who came up with the idea, had to resign themselves to pigeons that, instead of dropping a bomb on a specific target, they were instead trained to fly away from the owner, and fitted with a bomb where the fuse was wrapped around a light metal harness that, when it burned to a certain point, fell away from the bird, with the explosives being packed in a spiked casing that would stick to whatever it hit.

Of course, this method has its downside, like that you didn't actually have any sort of control over where the bombs would be dropped, risking to miss important landmarks whose destruction would be advantageous. The fact that one time the pigeons were employed against a contingent of recalcitrant elves, who simply shot the birds from the sky, may also have anything to do with their fall from favor.

However, despite the fact that, due to this little drawback, the enthusiasm to train up a new contingent of bomb-carrying pigeons has faded, the wizarding world offers a silver lining in the form of delivering owls, who are smarter than regular pigeons, know exactly where to carry the mail they are tasked with, and have an uncanny strength for their size, like when Hedwig delivered harryhis nimbus 2000, his first broomstick.

View: https://youtu.be/V--1aeG9lZI


Moneris said:
edit. Ah sorry, I did not read the comments above. somebody already mentioned it.
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You know, the more I get acquainted with warhammer fantasy, and by that I mean the multiple ways the Empire likes to get over-the-top when it comes to disposing of witches, the more I see the movie "Hansel and Gretel: Witch Hunters" as something straight up from the setting. I mean, you could swap Germany with the Empire, and nobody would notice.

View: https://youtu.be/cz2kxRMtPK4
I admit it, it's not that great of a movie, but the similarities it shares with warhammer fantasy are too funny to pass, which makes it very entertaining to me, like the fact that apparently witchcraft, the practice of dark magic, tends to corrupt and warp witches physically, which is surprisingly similar to the effects Dhar causes on those who indulge in it., thus giving their wicked nature away.

View: https://youtu.be/2aQCo5lGpos
And the best part is that, the shameless anachronisms that can be spotted during the movie, can be explained in warhammer fantasy as something that, either the siblings commissioned custom made weapons to a dwarven engineer, who are more advanced than humans when it comes to technology, it's just that their prototypes take an insane amount of time to get approved by the council, or something that the guild of engineers in Nuln came up with, as they also design some pretty wild gadgets.

View: https://youtu.be/EzCDgnY9h4I
Indeed, in warhammer fantasy, there's almost never something that can be considered anachronistic, as technological development varies between editions, and different grades of technological advancement have coexisted between factions from the start. On one hand we have the bretonnia, who has remained stuck in the dark ages, and on the other hand, we have the lizardmen and the amazons, who live like cavemen, and at the same time are keepers of arcane knowledge and incredibly futuristic science, inherited from the old ones, a spacefaring race that conquered the stars.
 
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Nicholas said:
Salztpyre is actually incredibly lenient for a Witch Hunter. He insisted on thoroughly investigating Sienna and brought her to Ubersreik to stand trial because he knew she'd never get a fair trial otherwise. Most Witch Hunters would have simply put Sienna to the pyre the moment the moment they caught her, let alone putting her on trial and even then a fair trial. And that's not getting into his interactions with the others, or with Sienna after the fighting starts. But there's plenty of hints throughout both games that his unyielding Sigmarism is a (well-crafted) front.
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Victor did what he was supposed to do as a Witch Hunter and figure out if she was a servant of the Dark Gods or not. Once he was certain she was not he treated her with the weariness that all people in the Empire treat sanctioned Wizards with. Victor could probably give a clear and reasoned defense of his actions with the secular laws of Reikland and the strictures of the Cult of Sigmar. Plus the Hammer Man has shown that he approves of how Salztpyre has acted by protecting him with his power and after everything he has seen the Witch Hunters faith has only grown stronger.
 
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Stewart9 said:
Victor did what he was supposed to do as a Witch Hunter and figure out if she was a servant of the Dark Gods or not.
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Oh, I certainly agree, and it definitely worked out for the better given the Vermintide that happened shortly afterward. But my point was, Salztpyre's prudent and investigative actions are a far cry from the "burn them all at let Sigmar sort them out" stereotype of a Witch Hunter.
 
I've updated my who knows what sheet to account for the recent updates! Now, if people could give me some bone reactions that'd be pretty cool. :V

Oksbad said:
There sit Professors Flitwick, Snape, Quirrell, Sprout and three others who you have not seen around Hogwarts before. Two, an older man and woman, are utterly unfamiliar. The last, a middle aged wizard with pale blond hair, you've seen before – on Platform 9¾.
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No clue who the two unfamiliar people could be. But that's Malfoy. The teacher's stand getting set on fire brings me much joy.

Oksbad said:
As Ron struggles against Filch, Dean is more calm. He makes eye contact with Hermione, before tilting his face upwards. Once Filch is far enough along the walkway, she slips into the wooden tower, wand in hand.
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Something I just wanted to note about this is that Hermione couldn't have heard Nyx say Harry was being cursed. She came to that conclusion all of her own accord. I doubt that Ron and Dean went to the Gryffindor stands to tell her and got the dungbombs. This seems like something she thought of all on her own.

She then set the teacher's stand on fire all on her own initiative. 🔥

Oksbad said:
Hermione's Attempt:
Raw DC: 30/60
Bonuses: 5 (Forewarned) - 15 (Wrong target) - 10 (Trust in authority) + 10 (Spell knowledge) + 5 (Clean reputation) + 5 (Snape) = 0
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Actually, after looking at the bonuses, they might have told her. Dean at least might have, if that glance is indicative. And she trusted them enough to set the stand on fire.

Actually, it could have been them telling her about Snape messing with Harry's broom. That would make the most sense.

I've changed my mind about this three times by now. I demand a Ron and Dean social action. :V
 
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@Canario Marino, thank you for introducing us to so many properties and factiods I would have otherwise never stumbled across. I do think one major thing does make it hard for me to buy something like Hansel and Gretle as spiritually a Warhammer piece tho.


Their witch hunters are just too darn healthy looking, no gnarled scars, burns, wrinkles or rheumy eyes. Hell, they don't even have patchy hair or any broken teeth. The world is not kind to those who make such a calling their living.
That said that's a weird casting culture/ makeup artist culture thing stemming from Hollywood rather than from the writer's room.
 
I'm surprised by the lack of people going back besides myself to leave skull reacts. Our main character is a Morrite Priest of all people and so few want to offer any bones :-(
 
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@Canario Marino, thank you for introducing us to so many properties and factiods I would have otherwise never stumbled across. I do think one major thing does make it hard for me to buy something like Hansel and Gretle as spiritually a Warhammer piece tho.


Their witch hunters are just too darn healthy looking, no gnarled scars, burns, wrinkles or rheumy eyes. Hell, they don't even have patchy hair or any broken teeth. The world is not kind to those who make such a calling their living.
That said that's a weird casting culture/ makeup artist culture thing stemming from Hollywood rather than from the writer's room.
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Not every Witch Hunter is going to look like a broken down old goat, the most common depictions have what I would call a severe and or striking look to them Korden for example could be called good looking and I would say Victor has a long a striking face but not a ugly or overly damaged one. The movie is actually one I like when it comes to fantasy action movies and it could be made to fit in Warhammer with some tweaking.
 
Stewart9 said:
Not every Witch Hunter is going to look like a broken down old goat, the most common depictions have what I would call a severe and or striking look to them Korden for example could be called good looking and I would say Victor has a long a striking face but not a ugly or overly damaged one. The movie is actually one I like when it comes to fantasy action movies and it could be made to fit in Warhammer with some tweaking.
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I didn't say they should all look broken down but lacking even a single scar is eyebrow raising in terms of being very hard to believe. Korden is good looking sure but he still has a few stress wrinkles, it's NOT an easy job. Supermodels aren't compatible with being witch hunters.
 
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