For the "Plan: Spotlight" plan, what would we say to convince Averland & the Ottilian Emperor that it's worth being on our side when Vlad decides to invade with the support of allies? I know now what their positions exactly so I don't know what they could want form us. Maybe we could support the Ottilian Emperor with the construction of Mordheim by offering materials, military aid, & witch hunter support to the city to fight chaos?
The Old World: Dark Age of the Empire
- Thread starter Warkeymon
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- Fantasy
Don't we have the witch hunters, the Inquisition, and our showdown companies to root out cults? Can we bring our shadow company here to help root out cults in mass in coordination with the witch hunters & the Inquisition? Hell we can even bring a small elite catchment of state troops to help surround and quartine major locations so that nobody escapes. Not big enough for a siege/invasion, but just enough for surrounding any cities/entrances to Stirland and checking people who come in and go out.
ChiefTurtle117
The Sigillite
- Location
- Holy Terra
Talking with the Arch-Lector doesn't count for the internal province action? I was operating under the assumption that Joint Ultimatum and Continue the Search both count as actions too, so 11 total.
What allies does Vlad have in invading Stirland? Vlad picked the Wolf Emperor to support and the Ottilian Emperor suspected that Vlad was sabotaging Talebacland's efforts to restore Mordheim. I just don't want to actually get into a fight with Vlad so soon over the shady and stained sake of Stirland without at least trying to settle the situation in a diplomatic manner that doesn't result in Vlad gaining anything.
As for what we could offer the Ottilian Empress; we could offer them our Electoral vote, votes maybe if we can convince the Arch-Lector. Could even offer to join the Ottilian faction passively i.e supplying equipment to the other provinces without promising to join in the Ottilian Empress' wars.
I'm not sure what to really offer Averland. I just want them on our side if things actually come to war with Sylvania, whether cause the prince of Stirland is actually pure and we have to back up our word or Vlad doesn't want to play nice in a diplomatic settlement over Stirland.
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Would Averland want access to our new canal ?
- Location
- USA
Arch lector would be a city action not a province one, look for a project dealing with nobles or effecting territory in the province.
This is from:
Manipulative
The Baroness has some skill at pulling the strings from behind the screen.
The Baroness provides +1 die but at least 1 die must always be spent in her remit.
On the Chamberlain of the Province
ChiefTurtle117
The Sigillite
- Location
- Holy Terra
Would replacing the Arch-Lector dice with "Riverine Docks" work? Geschburg is almost done at 117/150.
Thinking about it, we could offer reconstruction assistance. They did just fight a Wagghh.
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- Location
- USA
Yes it would
ChiefTurtle117
The Sigillite
- Location
- Holy Terra
Right, fixed.
-[x] Plan: Spotlight
-[x] Continue the Search
-[x] Joint Ultimatum
Diplomacy
-[x] Engage with an Elector
--[x] (Averland) -2 action
-[x] Engage with a Neighbour
--[x] (Stirland) -2 action
-[x] Engage with an Elector
--[x] (Ottilian Emperor) -3 action
-[x] Engage with a Noble, Notable or Cult
--[x] (Arch-Lector of Nuln)
-[x] The Heir Apparent
--[X] Wife
--[X] Arch-Lector of Nuln
--[X] Bugman
Stewardship
-[x] Riverine Docks
--[x] Geschburg
- Location
- Germany
[x] Continue the Search
[x] Joint Ultimatum
-[x] Plan: Spotlight
[x] Joint Ultimatum
-[x] Plan: Spotlight
- Location
- Centro Italia
[X] To Raab Post-Haste
[X] Continue the Search
[X] Plan: Chaos in Stirland.
[X] Continue the Search
[X] Plan: Chaos in Stirland.
- Location
- Germany
Just a reminder, being Vlads first target seems pretty likely to lead to a Bad End for the quest.
The first Vampire War lasted 40 years, utterly destroyed the military of at least 3 provinces and Vlad was never beaten in the field, as far as I can find.
And all that still didn't unite the Empire against him, it was still seperate candidates leading their troops against him. Without an earlier coming of Magnus we won't get pan-imperial support even if he does call up his skellies en masse.
The first Vampire War lasted 40 years, utterly destroyed the military of at least 3 provinces and Vlad was never beaten in the field, as far as I can find.
And all that still didn't unite the Empire against him, it was still seperate candidates leading their troops against him. Without an earlier coming of Magnus we won't get pan-imperial support even if he does call up his skellies en masse.
[x] Continue the Search
[x] Joint Ultimatum
-[x] Plan: Spotlight
[x] Joint Ultimatum
-[x] Plan: Spotlight
Adrian XXIV
Average User, from Poland
- Location
- Poland
- Pronouns
- He/Him
I would offer him... Stirland
Is it possible for MC to propose Stirland to be "dissolved (as province) and 'merged' into Averland". That's along with proposing "Anti-Chaos Council" to be attached to Court of Averland's Elector Count to make sure that it doesn't end like Stirland's (Chaos-corrupted and lead by oblivious/incompetent/corrupted Elector Count)?
It is a compromise that would both "protect Stirland from Vlad" and "don't make other Elector Counts suspect that Slaaneshi Cult managed to convert MC"
If QM accepts this proposition, then we will essentially "win against Vlad" without fighting him at all
- Pronouns
- Warkeymon
It would be much easier to persuade the other Electors to accept Stirland being divided between Wissenland, Sylvania and Averland or some combination of them than it would be to get them to accept the whole Province being swallowed up by a single neighbour. But even that would be harder than having Stirland remain independent. Historical precedent only has Provinces being subsumed where the entire government of the Province is catastrophically destroyed.
You could do an Engage action to try and persuade Averland to take over Stirland and in theory that would count as overthrowing Haupt-Anderssen so Vlad should in theory be happy with it.
Adrian XXIV
Average User, from Poland
- Location
- Poland
- Pronouns
- He/Him
-[x] Plan: Spotlight
-[x] Continue the Search
-[x] Joint Ultimatum
Diplomacy
-[x] Engage with an Elector
--[x] (Averland) -2 action
-[x] Engage with a Neighbour
--[x] (Stirland) -2 action
-[x] Engage with an Elector
--[x] (Ottilian Emperor) -3 action
-[x] Engage with a Noble, Notable or Cult
--[x] (Arch-Lector of Nuln)
-[x] The Heir Apparent
--[X] Wife
--[X] Arch-Lector of Nuln
--[X] Bugman
Stewardship
-[x] Riverine Docks
--[x] Geschburg
My plan was basically about "killing two birds with one stone": 1) Vlad didn't getting Stirland 2) Didn't making Wissenland to be Vlad's #1 target (because it would be Averland). I'm not a good "plan-maker", so I will just go with "Plan: Spotlight" (and try to go from there)
-[x] Continue the Search
-[x] Joint Ultimatum
Diplomacy
-[x] Engage with an Elector
--[x] (Averland) -2 action
-[x] Engage with a Neighbour
--[x] (Stirland) -2 action
-[x] Engage with an Elector
--[x] (Ottilian Emperor) -3 action
-[x] Engage with a Noble, Notable or Cult
--[x] (Arch-Lector of Nuln)
-[x] The Heir Apparent
--[X] Wife
--[X] Arch-Lector of Nuln
--[X] Bugman
Stewardship
-[x] Riverine Docks
--[x] Geschburg
My plan was basically about "killing two birds with one stone": 1) Vlad didn't getting Stirland 2) Didn't making Wissenland to be Vlad's #1 target (because it would be Averland). I'm not a good "plan-maker", so I will just go with "Plan: Spotlight" (and try to go from there)
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ChiefTurtle117
The Sigillite
- Location
- Holy Terra
I'm not particularly sure why people are so gungho about fighting Vlad either, when we're essentially gonna be fighting him alone.
and what troops that Stirland does have are liable to being corrupt, including the Prince.
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Adrian XXIV
Average User, from Poland
- Location
- Poland
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Honestly, to me question of "What to do with runaway Stirland nobles?" is easy:
Either they present "some very good excuse" why they refuse to be tested for Chaos Corruption, or they will be just sentenced to death "in absentia"
Basically, "absence proves guilt" policy
Either they present "some very good excuse" why they refuse to be tested for Chaos Corruption, or they will be just sentenced to death "in absentia"
Basically, "absence proves guilt" policy
[X] To Raab Post-Haste
[X] Continue the Search
[X] Plan: Chaos in Stirland.
[X] Continue the Search
[X] Plan: Chaos in Stirland.
Tbh, I dont know what the problem is with Vlad as the emperor. I mean, he was kind of one of the sane vampires until Manfred stabbed him in the back, burned his ashes, and took a giant dumb on his legacy. In this quest, he is not even using his skellys and seems pretty decent at the whole sharad of daggers and diplo, so yeah, I dont get it.
We have to remember that the vampires had several states where they succeeded, and where even benevolent rulers see Stigai, who got fucked by the other vampire faction in a ring around the rosy.
So i get the whole Be human Huur durrr but can we pls see that the empire could use an immortal vampire who can lead it for centurys trough it all because u have to remember for evry magnus we get something like Dieter IV and then we have to start again or lose something so yea fuck it im pro vlad + the vampires war fucked the empire + the chaos war right after and u want to wait for magnus to fucking fix it all when we have an immortal vampire on our hand who can do all this shit.(But lets be real kill manfred befor he does his usual)
We have to remember that the vampires had several states where they succeeded, and where even benevolent rulers see Stigai, who got fucked by the other vampire faction in a ring around the rosy.
So i get the whole Be human Huur durrr but can we pls see that the empire could use an immortal vampire who can lead it for centurys trough it all because u have to remember for evry magnus we get something like Dieter IV and then we have to start again or lose something so yea fuck it im pro vlad + the vampires war fucked the empire + the chaos war right after and u want to wait for magnus to fucking fix it all when we have an immortal vampire on our hand who can do all this shit.(But lets be real kill manfred befor he does his usual)